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Obliviax

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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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Our school effective Jan 1st no longer require isolation for close contact unless they have symptoms!

Locally I was told there was a study that of all the kids forced home for close contact only 2% ever tested positive.

SCIENCE!!
 

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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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These people do have the slightest clue to the science but a) they feel they have to do something to show they care and are doing their jobs, and b)lawyers saying do something as a CYA just in case.
 

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These people do have the slightest clue to the science but a) they feel they have to do something to show they care and are doing their jobs, and b)lawyers saying do something as a CYA just in case.
I saw this kind of thing in Russia. Its a black market. You show the govt all the right moves and then do what is common sense and practical. This is what happens when the govt has zero credibility and led to the fall of the Soviet Union. The black market, untaxed, was larger than the real market.
 
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We don’t need the CDC. We only need data on who has gotten infected twice.

Out of 21 fully vaxxed Pittsburgh Penguins, 20 have been infected, but only two were reinfected.

QED
My son contracted last spring and again this month. I assume the difference is omicron. Honestly though even if you can contract it and it keeps you from getting sick isn’t that good enough? I would think so.
 
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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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There’s so much guidance people are having trouble keeping track of it. It’s become a boondoggle. 🥸
 

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My daughter got a notice from her school on Sunday that she had been contact traced. A swim team member had tested positive. The email stated that she needed to get a "proctored" test (I found out later that this meant the home tests were not good enough) in order to return to the team or any other school-sponsored activity. After we emailed the principle, we were told she can go to school but not events. Go figure.

So she got tested on Monday and were told it would take three days (what good is the test?). So she went to school on Tuesday but skipped swim practice. Then we got the test back as "negative" so she went to the swim meet Wednesday. The rule is that if you don't practice, you can't swim so she didn't think she'd race.

So she went to the swim meet. The coach asked her why she missed practice Tuesday and she said she got contact traced and was told she couldn't participate. The coach shrugged and said that this was news to him. My daughter told him that she was surprised they practiced at all tuesday since the entire team would have been contact traced. Again, coach said that was news to him. She raced Wednesday night.

Why can you go to school but not participate in activities? Why did the coach not get informed that a player and all of the team, would have been contact traced? Why did the other swimmers either ignore or not read their emails? fsad

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Why can you go to school but not participate in events?

Why, you ask?

Because we are led by morons in virtually all our institutions.
 

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Nah, just the obvious ones. After a couple of years it’s pretty easy. Even you can do it.
Classic egocentric elitist. Think you can look at an obit and know how someone died when the obit has no mention of how the death occurred. I know three people over eighty that died in the last six months and none had even the slightest indication of Covid. All died at home.

Hopefully, you do realize that when you make such exaggerated claims it hurts what little credibility you may have had left.
 

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Classic egocentric elitist. Think you can look at an obit and know how someone died when the obit has no mention of how the death occurred. I know three people over eighty that died in the last six months and none had even the slightest indication of Covid. All died at home.

Hopefully, you do realize that when you make such exaggerated claims it hurts what little credibility you may have had left.
And im sure tgar lot's of explainations for this. https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-the-risk-ratios-that-supposedly
 

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Am I remembering correctly that around the time of the Lancet hatchet job on HCQ (which was friday afternoon news dump later shown as completely false and bought and paid for) that there was a similar set of articles that went about saying that natural immunity was not good for Covid and that it waned very quickley and that vaccination was better. I remember at the time thinking that makes zero sense from a scientific standpoint. To this day, the fact that natural immunity is not 'allowed to be considered when it can be tested for continues to show me that medical science in NOT making decision buy politics is making decisions.
 

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Classic egocentric elitist. Think you can look at an obit and know how someone died when the obit has no mention of how the death occurred. I know three people over eighty that died in the last six months and none had even the slightest indication of Covid. All died at home.

Hopefully, you do realize that when you make such exaggerated claims it hurts what little credibility you may have had left.
I am not concerned about credibility or your viewpoint. Swirling the drain and booting anti vaxxers are what they are at this point and here in small town Merica it’s pretty easy to spot them.

Send them home from the ER with a Get well card. Buy the ticket, take the ride as they say.

Cheer them on.

Shrug your shoulders when they boot.
 

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I am not concerned about credibility or your viewpoint. Swirling the drain and booting anti vaxxers are what they are at this point and here in small town Merica it’s pretty easy to spot them.

Send them home from the ER with a Get well card. Buy the ticket, take the ride as they say.

Cheer them on.

Shrug your shoulders when they boot.
Except they aren't the ones dying MORON. Open your eyes , youve been lied.....3x vax are now more likely to end up in hospital in the uk then unvaxxed....oops
 
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I am not concerned about credibility or your viewpoint. Swirling the drain and booting anti vaxxers are what they are at this point and here in small town Merica it’s pretty easy to spot them.

Send them home from the ER with a Get well card. Buy the ticket, take the ride as they say.

Cheer them on.

Shrug your shoulders when they boot.
You are a disgusting human being.

Please tell me you are not Penn State grad.
 

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LOL. Hey, don’t get vaxxed, stay home. Live or die with your decision. Why do so many anti vaxxers turn out to be pussies when push comes to shove?
You are an arrogant, egotistical, condescending, rude, cold, low life. You put down anyone with a different opinion. Strike out in anger with vulgarities. Sure you’re not Donald Trump? You have the exact same personality.
 

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You are an arrogant, egotistical, condescending, rude, cold, low life. You put down anyone with a different opinion. Strike out in anger with vulgarities. Sure you’re not Donald Trump? You have the exact same personality.
LOL, who gives a ****. Me and Donald are smart enough to be vaxxed.
 

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Probably why you hate him. You see all your worst character flaws in him.
Awwwwwwww LOL. Nobody cares, nobody. But you understand that. And i am not talking about Donald. but you understand that.

Get well card.
Swirl
boot.

buy the ticket, take the ride or be a pussy.
 

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This is what happens when you don't act scientifically.

All the data shows that the vaccine DOES help some. Now, does it stop the spread - no.

But when you take a stance and decide to search for data that supports the stance, you are subject to getting smashed in debate.

Tgar is a midwit, but he's right about this singular issue.

The risk of a reaction to a vaccine, and all the POSSIBLE impacts to your immune system in the future (which I doubt) do not outweigh the benefits for the elderly and vulnerable.

Right- and now the media is spinning the narrative that "not everyone who died or is in the hospital was becasue of Covid, it was just with Covid." Which is what everyone has been saying for over a year........ but the numbers are killing this admin, so they need to flip the script.

Except they aren't the ones dying MORON. Open your eyes , youve been lied.....3x vax are now more likely to end up in hospital in the uk then unvaxxed....oops

You are a disgusting human being.

Please tell me you are not Penn State grad.

LOL, who gives a ****. Me and Donald are smart enough to be vaxxed.
 

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This is what happens when you don't act scientifically.

All the data shows that the vaccine DOES help some. Now, does it stop the spread - no.

But when you take a stance and decide to search for data that supports the stance, you are subject to getting smashed in debate.

Tgar is a midwit, but he's right about this singular issue.

The risk of a reaction to a vaccine, and all the POSSIBLE impacts to your immune system in the future (which I doubt) do not outweigh the benefits for the elderly and vulnerable.
Key phrase in the above: “for the elderly and vulnerable.”

And it should be surprising, but isn’t, which side of this discussion has the arrogant, condescending a-holes. Or that not only are they a-holes, but they’re perversely proud of it.
 
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Key phrase in the above: “for the elderly and vulnerable.”

And it should be surprising, but isn’t, which side of this discussion has the arrogant, condescending a-holes. Or that not only are they a-holes, but they’re perversely proud of it.
Well, I can be quite the arrogant condescending ahole myself.

The problem in all of this is that people choose a side, then refuse to allow observations to modify their stance.

Of course, complicating it is that there is so much lying and misleading going on that it is easy, and sometimes justified, for people to discount data that goes against their theory.
 
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This is what happens when you don't act scientifically.

All the data shows that the vaccine DOES help some. Now, does it stop the spread - no.

But when you take a stance and decide to search for data that supports the stance, you are subject to getting smashed in debate.

Tgar is a midwit, but he's right about this singular issue.

The risk of a reaction to a vaccine, and all the POSSIBLE impacts to your immune system in the future (which I doubt) do not outweigh the benefits for the elderly and vulnerable.
Sorry, but you do know why we have to look at other countries for info right...because others doesn't provide it. Hell look at what Massachusetts just put out....

The number of cases in vaccinated people may be undercounted due to discrepancies in the names and dates of birth of individuals, resulting in an inability to match records across systems. Hospitalization data is likely also undercounted as identification and reporting of hospitalized cases relies on that information being obtainable by case investigators through patient interview.

PA says this:

  • Vaccination status in the hospitalization data is not able to be verified by matching to a vaccination registry and may represent self-reporting by the patient or patient's family.
  • People hospitalized with COVID-19 often need to be re-hospitalized. The numerator of the hospitalization rate counts hospitalizations (thus double-counting persons hospitalized more than once), whereas the denominator counts persons, not hospitalizations.


The US has been running a disinformation campaign on the vaccines for months. The data is garbage most states put out. You are great at running stats but you can only use the data given. The UK at least puts the info out and then trys to explain it away by saying "vaccinated people care more about their health and thats why they test more."
 

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Awwwwwwww LOL. Nobody cares, nobody. But you understand that. And i am not talking about Donald. but you understand that.

Get well card.
Swirl
boot.

buy the ticket, take the ride or be a pussy.
Covid---99.99999999999999999999999999996% survival rate!