Ohio State also had a sicko doctor who liked to abuse people for decades and no one did anything! Do Universities just attract these sicko doctors. This low-life REALLY liked the OSU wrestling team. I didn't see any heavy coverage of this on ESPN?
What you posted does not indicate what you allege. It does have a similarity to the PSU scandal in that it was known about by the institution and went on for years. Joe was told about CSA back in the 70s. We have a smoking gun on Joe but I'm not seeing it for Bo.
Seems like the PSU type culture was in other institutions. Really, this is not unusual in that powerful popular institutions often cover up like PSU to hide wrongdoing. It's important that when they get caught accountability is doled out. In the case of Joe and CSS that happened.
This is factually incorrect. V1 is the only one who had a contemporaneous report, but was not taken serious because he had previous lied to authority figures about a variety of other issues.
Promised? No, not promised. But PSU made it clear that they were opening their checkbook, prior to the trial. And your second sentence explains why they had a huge incentive to lie (no conviction, no $$)
None of those 30 accusers were adequately vetted by PSU before settlement payments. Those who did not have Shubin as their attorney have different stories (including some that are ridiculous). If you think a singular attorney coaching his clients what to say to get a massive payday is a conspiracy, we have a different definition of conspiracy. I'd call it "a dishonest and unethical attorney".
I feel like 1000 is pretty good.
You'd have to ask them that.
1000 vs 30. Many believable contemporaneous reports vs none.
This is factually incorrect. Joe was not told about CSA in the 70s. This has been debunked by one of the accusers attorneys.
On the surface, it certainly appears that way. But when you do a deep dive into the facts, it becomes clear that there was no cover up at PSU. The courts and the feds both agree.
You are incorrect. An accuser told Joe himself in 1971 and Penn State paid him. Ruh Roh!
Do you have proof that PSU told the accusers that they would get millions before the trial?
The ones from the trial too? I'd say well vetted.
What are you saying about Shubin?
Do you have any proof of any of that? I think that's against the law.
I think 32 over the course of 40 years is pretty good too. How about 50, 100? Has to be 1000?
Seems like you impose that on Sandusky's victims but not Anderson's. Hmmm
Only not believed by religious cults. Jury believed all.
Maybe they too lied to get money? Might be a job for Ziegler. Anyone from Michigan forming conspiracy theory groups like PS4RS?
It's almost a mirror of each other.
I have done such a dive and I see coverup all over the scandal. But I am not biased.
Neither the Feds nor Courts agree. The Feds fined PSU for not reporting Sandusky per the Clery Act. Further, the jurors believed there was a coverup. No to endanger children but to protect the image of PSU. The courts never said there was no coverup.
We'll wait for Ziggy if there is some money in it.
My friend told me evety single time he investigated CSA in some business , church, or corporate structure it was at least initially covered up. It's what they do.
Yes, the PSU scandal is really no different than most popular powerful institutional coverups but what is different, and fascinatingly so, is the fan base that refuses to believe it and like a cult defends the institution and it's leaders as being unjustly punished as well as an even smaller group that believes Sandusky to be innocent.
It is just the same, it's always the same playbook. It's ah immune system response to an outside threat common to all institutions. And each institution thinks they're so special and above it and there are certain folk who buy into it. they're fans, stock holders, parishioners or those who benefit from the charity.
Unfounded allegation.
Incorrect. Try to improve your reading comprehension. That article DOES NOT say that he paid.
Yes, the timing of when they said (in so many words) they were opening their checkbooks.
The ones from the trial have been thoroughly debunked. And if those are the "best cases' the prosecution had...whoa boy, imagine how weak the other accusers cases were.
Here's proof that he manipulated victims for personal gain:
It is against the law. Please see link above.
How many of those 32 were contemporaneous? How many occurred before the promise of a payday (I believe the answer is 1)?
Juries are mostly morons.
1000 people including former players lied for money? Seems unlikely.
Your deep dive was into the shallow end.
To take a page from your book: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wrong. The courts did not convict on any conspiracy charges. The Feds (Snedden) cleared Spanier and determined there was no cover up.
That's true; they also got dinged for not reporting other crimes. As do MANY, MANY universities every year (the Clery act is well meaning, but poorly written and almost impossible to implement). PSU got dinged for not reporting a crime it didn't know happened and wasn't officially a crime until it was charged in 2011.
No conspiracy charges = no cover up. Do you need me to explain this to you again?
It's hysterical to me that you think he made any money from the Sandusky investigation/reporting.
Your friend sounds like a biased moron.
The school is isolated and that fosters a sense of community. Which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only someone who has no community or sense of place in the world would view community as a bad thing.
Since you never provide links here you go:
apnews.com
You're the biased moron. How many of these cases have you investigated? What part of the Sandusky case you did you work? What PSP materials have you seen?
If you actually have a friend who works for the PSP (doubtful), they are biased. That is part of the problem with this case (and with LE/OAG in general) is that they lock onto "their suspect" and refuse to ever admit they are wrong.
Yet they paid
From the article: "He did however receive a settlement from Penn State, acknowledging that he was in fact a victim of Sandusky,"
I answered that above.
Link?
Not debunked by any court of law or anyone other than conspiracy theorists. Going thru a trial and being cross examined is pretty good vetting.
Ziegler's podcast is not authoritative but merely his view of his conspiracy theory. Has any complaints been filed against the lawyer Shubin for unethical behavior with the state bar? Has the OAG pressed charges? So, you have no proof as we have discussed before.Here's proof that he manipulated victims for personal gain:
With the Benefit of Hindsight...: Episode Fourteen: Secret Agent Man on Apple Podcasts
Show With the Benefit of Hindsight..., Ep Episode Fourteen: Secret Agent Man - Jun 18, 2021podcasts.apple.com
Why hasn't he been charged?
I've mentioned those. And they were paid.
None. The victims were never promised a payday before the trial where they testified. You admitted that earlier.
Yeah, that's your opinion and I disagree.
30 plus kids lied for money? Seems unlikely.
I think you bumped your head when you dove in
You are a PSU grad and a member of the cult. I am neither, so I think you are the one who is biased.
Conspiracy and coverup are not the same.
Snedden only investigated Spanier's clearance. The Department of Education fined PSU for not reporting Sandusky so if Snedden cleared PSU as you say then there would have been no fine.
But they were dinged specifically for Sandusky. Whataboutism noted.
That's not true. Otherwise they would not have been fined.
Conspiracy and coverup are not the same.
How do you know he didn't? Have you seen his financial records? Church members are sending him money.
If that "sense of community" causes those in it to cover up crimes then it is a bad thing. Sometimes good things get warped. Like loyalty.
Here's one you left out. "Since you never provide links here you go:
Key quote from the attorney of one of the accusers:Judge's order reopens questions about what Paterno knew when
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A new legal document that claims a boy told Joe Paterno in 1976 that Jerry Sandusky had molested him has dropped like a bombshell and reignited debate about what the Penn State coach knew about his longtime assistant decades before his arrest. Details of the testimony remain...
"“The headlines of these stories is Paterno knew of Sandusky’s molestation in the ’70s, ‘76 or ’77. I’m unaware of direct, irrefutable evidence that that’s the case,” Boni said. “Believe me, I’m the last person to defend the guy, but I am the first person to believe in our justice system. And I think you need more than anecdotal evidence or speculative evidence.” -- Michael Boni
He might have such a friend. Just because you don't like what he knows does not make him a moron. People who disagree with you aren't morons. They are right.
There are people on this planet that think the earth is flat. They think JFK Junior didn't die and is coming back to team up with a certain orange man. Here you have people who have been in denial about JS for a decade. They point to JZ like he isn't some nutbag because he says what they want to hear. I can only imagine how many he grifted here for money as he was collecting donations. Con men going to con.
What motivates them? This is the question I seek the answer to. CSS were no different or better than the admins at UM, MSU, OSU, The Roman Catholic Church or The Boy Scouts. Where does this delusion come from?
The same delusions as any other group, denial and a self serving attitude protecting their own best interests.
They were upset Joe was blasted in the process and this was their form defense for him. They hid it under the guise of justice for everyone, but in fact went on to attack the victims in the case and did it for years. How and why Tom let that BS stand was crazy to me. It was pretty f--king disgusting. We had people driving by the victims houses and doxing them. You literally had people from this site visiting Jerry the pedo in prison and taking shots at all of the victims to make themselves feel better. Listen Joe and the admins got caught up in the political PC BS witch hunt, but according to one of the nations leading experts on this abuse, Jerry was in the top 1% of predators. The BOT turned on them as they just wanted it gone so they were fine with them being the fall guys.
If you actually have a friend who works for the PSP (doubtful), they are biased. That is part of the problem with this case (and with LE/OAG in general) is that they lock onto "their suspect" and refuse to ever admit they are wrong.
Listen , it's hard to come to terms that you're wrong when you've devoted so much time to this F Ed up hobby of yours, but you're
It has a religious aroma to it. I know one of the cultists is very staunchly anti-religious so I'm thinking the worship of the institution is a fulfillment of a spiritual need. This is how demagogues get power from folks like this. JZ is their High Priest.
