Trump to international students: transfer or be deported

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  1. NJPSU

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    No online classes for you.

     
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    If I were a foreign student, I would want to get out of the US. Der Fuhrer and his minions are trying to kill all of us.
     
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    There are likely liability and health insurance complexities to this that most emotional liberals wont bring up because orange man bad.

    Foreign exchange students are often insured through the university. If they are not on campus, those underwriting mechanisms may not be valid any longer.
     
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    This isn't about the students --- as much as it is about putting pressure on the schools to open back up.
     
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    So he is using students’ lives as political pawns.
    Travel during a pandemic isn’t exactly ideal either.
    And forcing students to transfer or move out of the country due to a temporary situation is absurd and makes no sense.
     
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    Orange man bad said no aid to schools with online classes only.
    did Orange man bad cite those specific reasons? He’s famously concerned about the well-being of foreigners, as it’s been well documented. Maybe the schools can chime in on that angle.
     
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    It actually makes sense. Their visas are for them to attend class. If there is no class to attend why have a visa?
     
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    Lol. Yes, temporary. Until after the first Tuesday alter a Monday In November
     
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    Are we trying to bankrupt the Universities? I thought that Covid was going away any day now so why would this be an issue? I wonder if the ones from Norway have to as well....because in the past he was ok with them.
     
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    Because classes will eventually restart and why force people to spend thousands to travel across the world during a pandemic if classes resume next year.
     
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    That is why God invented Boeing.
     
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    It's another hail mary to his fringe cult....just like the confederate flag is. I'm just surprised how many folks here cannot see it for what it is. It's called a Hail Mary to get his little angry mob whippped up.....basically over nothing.
     
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    Perhaps we can give that money to black lives who would like to go to college. Perhaps putting black lives to work before foreigners.

    Just sayin since you are all woke in your principles. Jobs and education help inner cities reduce crime and poverty right?

    Seriously, many Americans need that money for college and need jobs before we give it to someone else who is not a citizen.
     
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    Foreigners spend a lot of money to go to American Universities. They are a huge benefit to the economy.
     
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    Over 1 million international students, but the capitalists don't want that money....while the Universities are trying to ride out this storm. Around 45 billion to our economy but the party of Capitalism is now all of a sudden against this if their Supreme leaders says so....bad foreigners....SSDD.
     
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    What am I missing, here? A university moves to online only format. What is requiring you to need to stay in the US if the only way you can attend the university is online? Is your location dictated by your attending the university? If it isn't, then why must you stay in the US if the ONLY reason you are here in the first place is to attend the university? Please enlighten me, NJ? Because I seriously don't understand your concern, here.
     
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    Orange Man Bad!!!

    Fact is Trump probably had no idea this was even taking place. It is likely a simple policy enforcement by ICE. Likely a policy that has been on the books for years, even during Democrat administrations. And that is that any visa issued that for whatever reason, the reason for the visa itself goes away, the visa holder must return to his/her home country. Nothing nefarious, just simple bureaucratic adherence to rules.
     
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    Even if what you say is true, the buck stops with the president.
    And it is also possible ICE went to the WH and asked for direction and they told them to follow the letter of the law strictly and not give an extension or a temporary waiver to those students until the end of the fall semester despite the current circumstances.
     
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    Honest question- if you sign up for online classes at Oxford University, can you move to the UK for a year to login?
     
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    It all makes perfect sense. If there are no classes for them to attend then the whole reason for the visa is nullified.
     
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    The foreign students will likely save money by living at home and taking online classes...

    And when they do travel, they will help our airlines industryo_O
     
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    Nope, colleges like Harvard are not giving discounts on tuition.
    Plus they probably already have leases on apartments in the US that they will have to pay for despite not using them.
    And they will have to come back to the US for the spring semester.
    So they will have to go through the expense of flying back and forth and possibly having to find housing in their home countries because of Trump.
    It’s a whole lot of expense and hassle for what? Because Trump wants to be an a-hole.
     
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    Simple solution, if one is enrolled for in person classes at an American university but the school switched to online classes this semester due to COVID, let them stay for the semester because it makes no sense to make them leave for a few months for no fault of their own.
     
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    Who’s responsible for their health insurance?
     
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    Ahhh, most leases for college students start in the fall. If they have already signed a lease, just leave. At worst they are just going to lose their deposit. What is the landlord going to do if you are out of the country? Quite a red herring you threw out there..
     
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    And forcing students to transfer or move out of the country due to a temporary situation is absurd and makes no sense.

    It makes perfect sense to Donald because they can't vote.
     
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    Why am I not surprised that it makes perfect sense to you? You and Kelly are quite the pair. The difference is she gets paid for excuses.
     
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    If they are coming back in the spring, they will need that residence.
     
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    This health insurance stuff is a stretch.
    Unless they are employed by the university and are laid off due to COVID, why would their health insurance change?
    And it appears Penn State’s health clinic remains open.
    So if they were at Penn State, they still have that service, at least for now anyway.
     
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    So, if a student is on a university’s health plan, taking their courses, if they get Covid, who’s liable?
     
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    I would imagine the university’s health insurance.
     
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    That’s the point. The universities want no part of insuring these students. Either from the cost of such or the possible liability if one of them were to get sick and the reason they were in the US was an online curriculum. Trust me, behind closed doors all of these universities are fine with the government’s decision.
     
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    I don’t think so. For example Harvard, they are not reducing tuition so they won’t lose any money due to the COVID unless their students get deported and decide not to come back.
    And how many student’s are on the university’s plan?
    Unless they are employed by the university or are athletes, why would they be in the university health plan?
    Health insurance is expensive, tuition would be huge if they covered student health insurance.
     
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    Most pay for health insurance coverage. If this is a problem, only require those students who don’t have health insurance to return home.
    Problem solved.
    No reason to require all of them to return home if their school is only having online classes.
     
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    Most pay for health insurance through the university. Universities want no part of this right now. There’s no benefit to them.
     
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    Again, only require those with no health insurance to go home, those with insurance can stay.
    I doubt the universities are all that concerned about the health insurance. If their costs go up they can raise the rates on those students.
    And I doubt ICE is doing this as a favor to universities.
     
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    Universities are not happy by this move by ICE.
    “Ted Mitchell, the president of the American Council on Education, called the guidelines horrifying, saying it raised more questions than it answered and did more harm than good. “Iron-clad federal rules are not the answer at this time of great uncertainty,” he said in a statement.


    “The guidance is unworkable and deeply harmful,” said Craig Lindwarm, vice president of governmental affairs for the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities. He was concerned not just for the short-term impact of the announcement but for the message it would send long-term about the contributions international students make to the United States.”
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...gally-this-fall-ice-announces/?outputType=amp
     
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    And then you would complain because ICE is only deporting the poor students without insurance.

    You’re missing the point but not surprised. There are complexities to this that are out of the purview of your outrage parade.
     
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