*** THIS BOARD IS NOT GOING AWAY ***

[heckmans]

Unless there is something I'm missing and my understand of business and logic is failng me, this board is going nowhere. BWI was sold, not Rivals/Yahoo. The name will change. I presume the $99 subscription will still be active for a premium Rivals PSU football board.

Below is what I wrote on another thread. I created a new one to end the spiraling and despair that is going on.

I presume Tom or someone from BWI will show up at some point with some details to clarify what exactly will happen. IOWA IOWA IOWA!!

-----------------------------------------------------

So I went over to On's website

You can create an account without having to choose a plan right away. Just hit create account, put in your username, email, and password and voila, you've reserved your name. When it gets to the payment info, just go find the forums list. You can always come back to the payment area when you...

bwi.forums.rivals.com

Rivals was not sold by Yahoo. Phil had some sort of arrangement with Rivals (then Yahoo) whereby the two collaborated. Back in the day, Phil brought his deep knowledge of PSU and existing customer base and Rivals provided the tech platform to take BWI to the internet.
By my estimation, all that changed is that On3 bought BWI and they can do whatever they want with the assets Phil sold them. I suspect all that will change here on Rivals is the logo and URL. The only question for us free-loaders is whether the "Lions Den" and "McAndrew" were property of BWI and if the names will change.

Here are the broader questions as I see them.
- Who owns the $99 premium subscriptions that some of you pay? I presume it's Rivals and not BWI. That is why ON3 is offering a $1 subscription to try and lure subscribers to stick with BWI. If the $99 sub transferred, there would be no deal.
-Who paid the BWI staff such as Ryan Snyder? Are they BWI employees or Rivals/Yahoo employees. I presume they are BWI employees and are becoming On3 employees. Questions would revolve around terms of the sale. Did Phil negotiate a contract for his staff to have a job for X amount of time? Are there any restrictions that would prevent BWI staff from leaving BWI to work for Yahoo if they desired?

IMHO, some of the people may change and you may need to bookmark a new URL, but for those looking to keep the the existing ability to call each other names, wait for Midnighter to curate half-naked women to ogle instead of googling it yourself, and occasionally talk about PSU football, very little will change.

 

[Obliviax]

I really don't understand why PSU hasn't sponsored a board. In the new digital world, business is about ENGAGEMENT. the more engaged a prospect is, the more likely they'll spend money...tickets, parking, food, swag. If someone doesn't know the coach, the players or "inside baseball". they are less likely to engage.

If anyone is unfamiliar with the Amazon Flywheel this is the basis of bezos. And it seems to be working just fine. Create a great user experience>leads to more users>leads to more content>which leads back to more user.

Perhaps @Tom McAndrew or someone in the know can chime in.

 

[interrobang]

I signed up for the $1 special, but get permission denied errors on the forums.

Brilliant.

 

[interrobang]

I really don't understand why PSU hasn't sponsored a board.

Liability concerns all over the place. No college team has their own forums.

 

[Obliviax]

Liability concerns all over the place. No college team has their own forums.

If it is a "forum" there is no liability (unless congress changes that)

 

[19333lion]

Are you saying that this has been yet another sterling example of misinformation going viral? That would be the best news I've had all day!

 

[Roar More]

Are you saying that this has been yet another sterling example of misinformation going viral? That would be the best news I've had all day!

If it was misinformation, Tom or a mod would have corrected it by now. Best we can hope for is incomplete information.

 

[dontgojoepa]

Don't know if this is premium info (it shouldn't be), but according to Phil, bwi.rivals.com is going nowhere and the only thing that was sold was BWI the magazine. (Though, as none of the staff is really chiming in, I question how accurate this is, and whether the staff is moving and/or under an NDA or non-solicit).

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

If it was misinformation, Tom or a mod would have corrected it by now. Best we can hope for is incomplete information.

That is not at all true. Contractual obligations with both Rivals and On3 is the reason for the no comment or non-answers.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Don't know if this is premium info (it shouldn't be), but according to Phil, BWI is going nowhere and the only thing that was sold was BWI the magazine. (Though, as none of the staff is really chiming in, I question how accurate this is, and whether the staff is moving and/or under an NDA or non-solicit).

FIFY

 

[JWB389]

Am I the only person craving a fried egg, sunny side up?

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Unless there is something I'm missing and my understand of business and logic is failng me, this board is going nowhere. BWI was sold, not Rivals/Yahoo. The name will change. I presume the $99 subscription will still be active for a premium Rivals PSU football board.

Below is what I wrote on another thread. I created a new one to end the spiraling and despair that is going on.

I presume Tom or someone from BWI will show up at some point with some details to clarify what exactly will happen. IOWA IOWA IOWA!!

-----------------------------------------------------

So I went over to On's website

You can create an account without having to choose a plan right away. Just hit create account, put in your username, email, and password and voila, you've reserved your name. When it gets to the payment info, just go find the forums list. You can always come back to the payment area when you...

bwi.forums.rivals.com

Rivals was not sold by Yahoo. Phil had some sort of arrangement with Rivals (then Yahoo) whereby the two collaborated. Back in the day, Phil brought his deep knowledge of PSU and existing customer base and Rivals provided the tech platform to take BWI to the internet.
By my estimation, all that changed is that On3 bought BWI and they can do whatever they want with the assets Phil sold them. I suspect all that will change here on Rivals is the logo and URL. The only question for us free-loaders is whether the "Lions Den" and "McAndrew" were property of BWI and if the names will change.

Here are the broader questions as I see them.
- Who owns the $99 premium subscriptions that some of you pay? I presume it's Rivals and not BWI. That is why ON3 is offering a $1 subscription to try and lure subscribers to stick with BWI. If the $99 sub transferred, there would be no deal.
-Who paid the BWI staff such as Ryan Snyder? Are they BWI employees or Rivals/Yahoo employees. I presume they are BWI employees and are becoming On3 employees. Questions would revolve around terms of the sale. Did Phil negotiate a contract for his staff to have a job for X amount of time? Are there any restrictions that would prevent BWI staff from leaving BWI to work for Yahoo if they desired?

IMHO, some of the people may change and you may need to bookmark a new URL, but for those looking to keep the the existing ability to call each other names, wait for Midnighter to curate half-naked women to ogle instead of googling it yourself, and occasionally talk about PSU football, very little will change.

Q1. Rivals. See https://n.rivals.com/tos
Q2: Circa 2006 contributors were paid by publishers, not Rivals. It was because the Publishers had a content agreement with Rivals, not because Rivals "owned" the publishers.

 

[PSU Soupy]

I posted a long post that I thought would get attention, which is has, and was hoping that the post would generate some comments from the moderators about the future of this board.

 

[dontgojoepa]

FIFY

FWIW, this was precisely Phil's comment: "And my No. 1 goal right now is to make bwi.rivals.com the best Penn State website it can be."

 

[LemonEars]

Liability concerns all over the place. No college team has their own forums.

If the Penn State Athletic Dept tried to start a message board can you imagine the cost to Penn State! They would need a staff of at least 20 including 4 content supervisors, about 6 coding people, and about 10 assistants for when the first 10 don't feel like working. It would probably cost over $1 million per year for the PSU Athletic Dept to administer a message board like this one. Plus it would likely be broken and offline about half the time.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

FWIW, this was precisely Phil's comment: "And my No. 1 goal right now is to make bwi.rivals.com the best Penn State website it can be."

Which is far from "bwi.rivals.com is going nowhere."

 

[bkmtnittany1]

If the Penn State Athletic Dept tried to start a message board can you imagine the cost to Penn State! They would need a staff of at least 20 including 4 content supervisors, about 6 coding people, and about 10 assistants for when the first 10 don't feel like working. It would probably cost over $1 million per year for the PSU Athletic Dept to administer a message board like this one. Plus it would likely be broken and offline about half the time.

As Bob would chime in and say, "Sandy's got this!"

 

[dontgojoepa]

Which is far from "bwi.rivals.com is going nowhere."

Perhaps - but that was my interpretation. If his goal is to make it the best website it can be, presumably that would include it staying.

 

[Fac]

Anyone remember the post about the person who bumped the car in front which caused the guy to spill coffee on his shirt?

Or, the person who got sick at that all you eat steak place. Ryan's.

 

[BobPSU92]

As Bob would chime in and say, "Sandy's got this!"

Never in doubt.

 

[heckmans]

Which is far from "bwi.rivals.com is going nowhere."

".rivals.com" would suggest otherwise. Rivals has nothing to do with the sale between BWI and On3.
If the other poster is correct, that On3 only bought the print assets, then the "BWI" name can likely be retained. If they bought all trademarks associated with the business, then Rivals will need to find a new name.

 

[heckmans]

Q1. Rivals. See https://n.rivals.com/tos
Q2: Circa 2006 contributors were paid by publishers, not Rivals. It was because the Publishers had a content agreement with Rivals, not because Rivals "owned" the publishers.

Thank you. I was relying purely on logic in offering the likely situation.

 

[BW Lion]

Liability concerns all over the place. No college team has their own forums.

Plus we would all be required to get vaxxed and use gender appropriate pronouns.

 

[JWB389]

Anyone remember the post about the person who bumped the car in front which caused the guy to spill coffee on his shirt?

Or, the person who got sick at that all you eat steak place.

There should really be a Hall of Fame board including all of those posts.

 

[BBrown]

If it was misinformation, Tom or a mod would have corrected it by now. Best we can hope for is incomplete information.

Well I wish someone would tell us what the Fk is going on.

 

[heckmans]

Plus we would all be required to get vaxxed and use gender appropriate pronouns.

Thank you for introducing this difficult topic. I never knew how to bring it up. From now on, I'd like to referred to as Fee/Fi/Fo/Fum. Any misgendering of me will be met with swift and overwhelming condemnation of your patriarchal violence. Respect my lived experience.

 

[BobPSU92]

Well I wish someone would tell us what the Fk is going on.

For what we pay, we deserve better than this.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

".rivals.com" would suggest otherwise. Rivals has nothing to do with the sale between BWI and On3.
If the other poster is correct, that On3 only bought the print assets, then the "BWI" name can likely be retained. If they bought all trademarks associated with the business, then Rivals will need to find a new name.

On3 didn't buy the print assets. It remains to be seen whether we'll have a BWI.on3.com or if it'll be called something else.

 

[91Joe95]

I really don't understand why PSU hasn't sponsored a board. In the new digital world, business is about ENGAGEMENT. the more engaged a prospect is, the more likely they'll spend money...tickets, parking, food, swag. If someone doesn't know the coach, the players or "inside baseball". they are less likely to engage.

If anyone is unfamiliar with the Amazon Flywheel this is the basis of bezos. And it seems to be working just fine. Create a great user experience>leads to more users>leads to more content>which leads back to more user.

Perhaps @Tom McAndrew or someone in the know can chime in.

After Rodney's tour where psu received honest and unfiltered feedback they are terrified of the alumni.

 

[ncgolfer]

I signed up for the $1 special, but get permission denied errors on the forums.

Brilliant.

Sign off then sign back in.

 

[91Joe95]

If the Penn State Athletic Dept tried to start a message board can you imagine the cost to Penn State! They would need a staff of at least 20 including 4 content supervisors, about 6 coding people, and about 10 assistants for when the first 10 don't feel like working. It would probably cost over $1 million per year for the PSU Athletic Dept to administer a message board like this one. Plus it would likely be broken and offline about half the time.

Don't forget their army of censors. They are a sensitive bunch.

 

[NittPicker]

After Rodney's tour where psu received honest and unfiltered feedback they are terrified of the alumni.

I’m still waiting for Peetz to do the “listening tour” she promised.

 

[BW Lion]

On3 didn't buy the print assets. It remains to be seen whether we'll have a BWI.on3.com or if it'll be called something else.

I think it will be subscription only

The Premier Penn State Nittany Lions fan site and magazine moving to On3

The most iconic Penn State Nittany Lions fan site is moving to the On3 network on November 1, 2021. Reserve your username today.

www.on3.com

 

[LemonEars]

Don't forget their army of censors. They are a sensitive bunch.

Yes, and don't forget the staff of planners and 3 admins. Sandy would need a nice raise since leading an army of message board minions is hard work.

Of course funding the new message board staff would be no problem. Just raise the fee to park in the cow pastures to $100 per game and the money could be covered.

 

[Obliviax]

For what we pay, we deserve better than this.

I sent them a bill for $5/year for them to have access to my incredible ideas and commentary. I also sent an email to CJF, with a small invoice as I have no idea how he is going to coach up the team without my guidance from this board

 

[interrobang]

If it is a "forum" there is no liability (unless congress changes that)

PSU did actually have a forum briefly in the late 1990s when they stood up their first official athletic department site. I think it lasted a few months.

 

[Midnighter2]

Unless there is something I'm missing and my understand of business and logic is failng me, this board is going nowhere. BWI was sold, not Rivals/Yahoo. The name will change. I presume the $99 subscription will still be active for a premium Rivals PSU football board.

Below is what I wrote on another thread. I created a new one to end the spiraling and despair that is going on.

I presume Tom or someone from BWI will show up at some point with some details to clarify what exactly will happen. IOWA IOWA IOWA!!

-----------------------------------------------------

So I went over to On's website

You can create an account without having to choose a plan right away. Just hit create account, put in your username, email, and password and voila, you've reserved your name. When it gets to the payment info, just go find the forums list. You can always come back to the payment area when you...

bwi.forums.rivals.com

Rivals was not sold by Yahoo. Phil had some sort of arrangement with Rivals (then Yahoo) whereby the two collaborated. Back in the day, Phil brought his deep knowledge of PSU and existing customer base and Rivals provided the tech platform to take BWI to the internet.
By my estimation, all that changed is that On3 bought BWI and they can do whatever they want with the assets Phil sold them. I suspect all that will change here on Rivals is the logo and URL. The only question for us free-loaders is whether the "Lions Den" and "McAndrew" were property of BWI and if the names will change.

Here are the broader questions as I see them.
- Who owns the $99 premium subscriptions that some of you pay? I presume it's Rivals and not BWI. That is why ON3 is offering a $1 subscription to try and lure subscribers to stick with BWI. If the $99 sub transferred, there would be no deal.
-Who paid the BWI staff such as Ryan Snyder? Are they BWI employees or Rivals/Yahoo employees. I presume they are BWI employees and are becoming On3 employees. Questions would revolve around terms of the sale. Did Phil negotiate a contract for his staff to have a job for X amount of time? Are there any restrictions that would prevent BWI staff from leaving BWI to work for Yahoo if they desired?

IMHO, some of the people may change and you may need to bookmark a new URL, but for those looking to keep the the existing ability to call each other names, wait for Midnighter to curate half-naked women to ogle instead of googling it yourself, and occasionally talk about PSU football, very little will change.

I would like to hear from Tom before making any decisions about migrating to a new board. I'm intrinsically opposed to paying for any Penn State/recruiting news (on any site, with a possible exception for Audrey Snyder and Andrew Callahan) simply because it is available for free pretty much anywhere else if you choose to look. I am also not a fan of the writers of this site save Phil (Tom is not a paid employee AFAIK, otherwise he'd be on the list too). There is no need to pay for recruiting news when you can follow a recruit on social media and see his responses to questions and/or edits that tell you what he's thinking. I guess there are those who desire more, but I'm not one of them. Actual 'Penn State Football' articles aren't worth paying for either since you can watch Franklin pressers on YouTube, twitter, Instagram, etc.

The true 'goldmine' here is the McAndrew Board where you can connect with and befriend others with Penn State football as a line through all other interests and topics. My guess is Tom can't say anything right now or he would. Let's be patient and see what happens.

 

[Obliviax]

I would like to hear from Tom before making any decisions about migrating to a new board. I'm intrinsically opposed to paying for any Penn State/recruiting news (on any site, with a possible exception for Audrey Snyder and Andrew Callahan) simply because it is available for free pretty much anywhere else if you choose to look. I am also not a fan of the writers of this site save Phil (Tom is not a paid employee AFAIK, otherwise he'd be on the list too). There is no need to pay for recruiting news when you can follow a recruit on social media and see his responses to questions and/or edits that tell you what he's thinking. I guess there are those who desire more, but I'm not one of them. Actual 'Penn State Football' articles aren't worth paying for either since you can watch Franklin pressers on YouTube, twitter, Instagram, etc.

The true 'goldmine' here is the McAndrew Board where you can connect with and befriend others with Penn State football as a line through all other interests and topics. My guess is Tom can't say anything right now or he would. Let's be patient and see what happens.

 

[Midnighter2]

 

[Obliviax]