The fix is in re: Sussman

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Mueller is a Republican and the Special Counsel was appointed by a Republican.
Did you watch Mueller testify on his report? Did you cringe or cry? No, I bet you breathed a big sigh of relief.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that he lost the bubble long before he was appointed and that the ultra-left deep-staters on his committee ran the show and hid behind his name and the reputation he earned before he pissed his pants twice daily and switch to a 100% pablum diet.
 

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I'd be shocked if he's convicted regardless of the overwhelming evidence that supports it. The judge is an Obama appointee whose wife has ties to Sussman's law firm and other Clinton associates. He allowed several Clinton donors and workers to be seated on the jury despite the prosecution's objections. Sounds like a set up to me. No way they get a conviction with this crew and then the media will scream.......see, just another Trump conspiracy.
Jury nullification ( rigged) may occur, but the testimony is in stone. Sussman acted at the behest of Hildabeast and the DNC. This was stated under oath by Elias, and someone from the 4th day of testimony. So, even if a conviction doesn’t happen (at least 3 in the jury are compromised/conflicted), the truth will be “ in the books”. —Durham will then be on to Virginia, where the next criminal will be tried….. and the jury selection will be much different ( not 95% Demonrats like DC).
—This guy ( link below)has a good daily breakdown of the trial, and likelihood of occurrences.

 
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Jury nullification ( rigged) may occur, but the testimony is in stone. Sussman acted at the behest of Hildabeast and the DNC. This was stated under oath by Elias, and someone from the 4th day of testimony. So, even if a conviction doesn’t happen (at least 3 in the jury are compromised/conflicted), the truth will be “ in the books”. —Durham will then be on to Virginia, where the next criminal will be tried….. and the jury selection will be much different ( not 95% Demonrats like DC).
—This guy has a good daily breakdown of the trial, and likelihood of occurrences.

The truth was "in the books" that Hillary used a private server to send classified information and that she destroyed subpoenaed information. How did that work out?
 

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The truth was "in the books" that Hillary used a private server to send classified information and that she destroyed subpoenaed information. How did that work out?
Pretty sure they’re going to get to that ( although the statute of limitations may be over, they can still examine it in relation to other actions) . It’s all related. —Ridiculously slow moving, but is said to be a function of the massive volume of twists, turns and interconnections. Every rabbit hole produces 2 more…. And they all have to be investigated. —Truly thought this would end in trials and arrests 4-5 years ago.… but it kept getting bigger. —We’ll see
 
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Pretty sure they’re going to get to that ( although the statute of limitations may be over, they can still examine it in relation to other actions) . It’s all related. —Ridiculously slow moving, but is said to be a function of the massive volume of twists, turns and interconnections. Every rabbit hole produces 2 more…. And they all have to investigated. —Truly thought this would end in trials and arrests 4-5 years ago.… but it kept getting bigger. —We’ll see
Could it be the delays were intentional? If they found some laws were broken and had the goods on someone they could have charged them years ago. Let the trial go on, put pressure on the perp to cooperate, put pressure on others to come forward before they were charged, let the world know what they did.

Why wait years to charge them when you have the evidence? You can always add additional charges later if more is found. Perhaps it is the way of the swamp. Look like you are doing something but are actually stalling until the statutes run out.
 
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Could it be the delays were intentional? If they found some laws were broken and had the goods on someone they could have charged them years ago. Let the trial go on, put pressure on the perp to cooperate, put pressure on others to come forward before they were charged, let the world know what they did.

Why wait years to charge them when you have the evidence? You can always add additional charges later if more is found. Perhaps it is the way of the swamp. Look like you are doing something but are actually stalling until the statutes run out.
It’s absolutely possible that the delays were intentional. — But, Given the ever increasing “scope” of the investigation ( well beyond the corruption of at least one immense 3 letter agency), I understand ( and reluctantly tolerate) the amount of time taken. —- If you can’t track and excise the margins of a tumor, removing the apparent center is virtually irrelevant.… and I’m thinking the “margins “, in this case, suggest global involvement . —I believe the summer season will show more high profile indictments. Again, we’ll see.
 

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DOJ is a joke. Think of the millions spent on this crap and nothing will be done. It’s kinda like what Tark the Shark said when Kentucky BB is found violating recruiting rules the NCAA penalizes Cleveland State. Same thing. The K street lawyers just know how to milk the system. The Clinton crime family, now Biden, will never be prosecuted no matter the allegations.
 

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It's interesting, this is obviously good news for the defendant. However, it speaks poorly of the FBI. If you believe the defendant wasn't lying to the FBI, then you have to believe that the FBI (or at least the decision makers) knew that the source of this lead was the Clinton Campaign and still allowed the two year investigation to continue without interjecting this key fact.
 

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It's interesting, this is obviously good news for the defendant. However, it speaks poorly of the FBI. If you believe the defendant wasn't lying to the FBI, then you have to believe that the FBI (or at least the decision makers) knew that the source of this lead was the Clinton Campaign and still allowed the two year investigation to continue without interjecting this key fact.

It further erodes that trust , confidence, and impartiality of our justice system and most trusted institutions. There is no way to get a fair trial unless you’re a Democrat or a Democrat operative in DC. It’s impossible as the swamp is that deep. Just like Trump got less than 5% of the vote in this cesspool of Democrat swamp creatures.
 

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It further erodes that trust , confidence, and impartiality of our justice system and most trusted institutions. There is no way to get a fair trial unless you’re a Democrat or a Democrat operative in DC. It’s impossible as the swamp is that deep. Just like Trump got less than 5% of the vote in this cesspool of Democrat swamp creatures.
Erodes? I have zero, perhaps less than zero, faith in anything connected to the US govt and no longer consider the USA virtuous in any way, shape, or form. I would NOT recommend anyone fighting for the USA as dozens of nations have passed us in terms of virtues.
 
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Erodes? I have zero, perhaps less than zero, faith in anything connected to the US govt and no longer consider the USA virtuous in any way, shape, or form. I would NOT recommend anyone fighting for the USA as dozens of nations have passed us in terms of virtues.
Trump’s legacy. This is exactly why I said Trump was the most damaging political figure in modern US history.

This is what he did to the Republican Party and it’s voters.
 
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It further erodes that trust , confidence, and impartiality of our justice system and most trusted institutions. There is no way to get a fair trial unless you’re a Democrat or a Democrat operative in DC. It’s impossible as the swamp is that deep. Just like Trump got less than 5% of the vote in this cesspool of Democrat swamp creatures.

And when the same people are hell-bent on making our elections less trustworthy, well, we are pretty much there -- a communist country.
 

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It's interesting, this is obviously good news for the defendant. However, it speaks poorly of the FBI. If you believe the defendant wasn't lying to the FBI, then you have to believe that the FBI (or at least the decision makers) knew that the source of this lead was the Clinton Campaign and still allowed the two year investigation to continue without interjecting this key fact.
FWIW...there could still be something done (re: co-conspirators Joffe, Danchenko, et al) with all the evidence put on the record during this trial. As you said, if Sussman isn't guilty then it makes the FBI look really really bad.

Here's techofog's take:


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Michael Sussmann has been acquitted.

The acquittal is no surprise. This is a DC jury, after all. In the Roger Stone case, for example, we documented how a juror lied to get on the panel. (That judge didn’t care.) Making matters worse, the Sussmann judge wrongly allowed for a woman to remain on the jury, despite the fact that her daughter and Sussmann’s are on the same high school crew team. One can’t help but think that juror had her own daughter’s interests in mind – the cohesion of the crew team – when she reached a decision.

On the facts, there was more than sufficient evidence to prove Sussmann’s guilt. Sussmann lied to then-FBI general counsel James Baker in order to get a meeting to pass the Alfa Bank hoax materials to the FBI. Sussmann lied again during the meeting – stating he was not there on behalf of a client – in order to get the FBI to open an investigation into the Trump Organization’s purported ties with Alfa Bank. Later, during testimony to Congress, Sussmann admitted he met with Baker on behalf of a client. Billing records proved he had been working on the Alfa Bank project on behalf of the Clinton Campaign.

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I won’t say the verdict doesn’t matter. Of course it matters. It would have proven that a DC jury can convict one of their own. It would have resulted in accountability for lying to the FBI. Not the gravest of crimes, but it is still a crime.

In large part, the prosecution of Sussmann was hamstrung by the FBI’s investigation into the Alfa Bank allegations. That goes to materiality. How can the lies be material if the FBI’s investigation was so sloppy? (Answer: they were material because the lies helped open the investigation in the first place.)

On the issue of materiality, look to the testimony of FBI Special Agent Curtis Heide, whose repeated requests to interview the source of the Alfa Bank information were denied by headquarters. FBI Headquarters didn’t want this thing thoroughly vetted - even though they demanded the investigation be opened. As we stated during the trial:

Relatively early on in the investigation - on September 26, 2016 - Agent Heide sent a message to Pientka, requesting an interview of the source of the Alfa Bank white papers. By that time, Heide knew the white paper was bunk. He received no response from Pientka. He repeated this request on October 3, 2016. Agent Heide’s requests were rebuffed by his liaison at FBI headquarters:
That’s not the say the public hasn’t benefited from the trial. The information disclosed during the trial was important to understand the broader Clinton/Fusion GPS/Perkins Coie effort to poison the public, the press, and the FBI with their Trump/Russia lies. This included:

  1. Data from the Executive Office of the President of the United States, including data from the Trumansition period, was exploited by Sussmann and Rodney Joffe and then passed to the CIA.
  2. Rodney Joffe was a longtime Confidential Human Source (CHS) – and generally a resource – for the FBI. Joffe worked with the FBI on cyber threats from countries like Russia. From former FBI Agent Grasso: “I’m sure the work that [Joffe] did touched on matters having to do with Russia.”
  3. Joffe went to great lengths to make sure the Alfa Bank information he provided to the FBI did not go through his official FBI handler.
  4. The decision to open the investigation came from FBI Leadership. According to one FBI Agent, “People on the 7th floor to include Director are fired up about this server.”
  5. Perkins Coie partner Marc Elias provided updates on the Fusion GPS “research” to the Clinton Campaign.
  6. And - Hillary Clinton herself approved of the strategy to disseminate the Alfa Bank allegations to the media. Per Robby Mook:
    Q: Mr. Mook, before the break you had testified that there was a conversation in which you told Ms. Clinton about the proposed plan to provide the Alfa-Bank allegations to the media; is that correct?
    A: Correct.
    Q: And what was her response?
    A: All I remember is that she agreed with the decision.
Then there are the trial exhibits. As Aaron Maté observed, Sussmann edited an FBI press release on the DNC hacking because the FBI’s proposed statement “undermines” the DNC hacking narrative:

Twitter avatar for @aaronjmate Aaron Maté @aaronjmate
Sussmann trial exhibits have been released. (
documentcloud.org/projects/sussm…) Includes some Crowdstrike-FBI-DNC exchanges on the alleged DNC hack. Here Sussmann edits an FBI press release because the original wording "undermines" the DNC's hacking narrative:s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2204…
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Where does Durham go from here? That’s the real question. We already know that the investigation into Rodney Joffe remains open and that Igor Danchenko faces trial this year. Whether there is more remains to be seen."
 
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TURLEY: “I mean, he is facing a jury that has three Clinton donors, an AOC donor, and a woman whose daughter is on the same sports team with Sussmann’s daughter. With the exception of randomly selecting people out of the DNC headquarters, you could not come up with a worse jury”

Just saw this, lol. Peers? It's like having your own team referee your game.
 

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I can't believe that the prosecutor couldn't have had all these people who had these strong connections struck for cause...... that is if he wanted to......apparently he didn't want to....
it is a lot harder than that to get someone struck "for cause." if the juror says they can put that aside and be impartial, then you are basically force to use a preemptory challenge (not sure how many the feds get)
 
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it is a lot harder than that to get someone struck "for cause." if the juror says they can put that aside and be impartial, then you are basically force to use a preemptory challenge (not sure how many the feds get)
While it's not easy, the connections they disclosed could be explored on voir dire and serious doubts could be brought out about the jurors ability to rule on the case objectively. I would hope he tried anyhow. And, if he was denied that he would have used his peremptory challenges.

Here's a scary thought, what if he used his peremptory challenges on even more blatantly bias potential jurors and he was stuck with these Soc/Dem diehards.,

This stinks and it's obvious what happened here. The general public will soon lose faith in the judicial system and one more fundamental pillar of our Constitutional government that will lose the trust of the people.
 

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I'd be shocked if he's convicted regardless of the overwhelming evidence that supports it. The judge is an Obama appointee whose wife has ties to Sussman's law firm and other Clinton associates. He allowed several Clinton donors and workers to be seated on the jury despite the prosecution's objections. Sounds like a set up to me. No way they get a conviction with this crew and then the media will scream.......see, just another Trump conspiracy.
Something doesn't seem right. The jury included Clinton donors and people who admitted to hating Trump. How can that be? Also, DC voted 91% for Clinton. It's nearly impossible to get a non partisan jury there. Why no change of venue? Durham isn't stupid but I don't get it.
 
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Something doesn't seem right. The jury included Clinton donors and people who admitted to hating Trump. How can that be? Also, DC voted 91% for Clinton. It's nearly impossible to get a non partisan jury there. Why no change of venue? Durham isn't stupid but I don't get it.
The Left uses crap like sure bet jury nullifications and prosecutorial discretion to allow crimes to go unpunished. They have done it below the radar until recently, now they are emboldened by the open defiance of our top office holders to do it at all levels, openly and without fear of consequences. They are basically saying we can disregard and ignore any laws that stand in the way of us taking control for ourselves and our "friends". They do this while screaming about Republicans destroying our democracy.

Unless and until the voters put responsible people back in charge who will actually identify and root out this corruption from the Left (aka the Swamp or the Deep State) we will see more, not less of this crap.
 
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here is a great article with a thumbnail of what and how the Democrats conspired with the FBI to lie to the American people during a critical time in our history.

 

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The Sussman single, low level charge was and is an interesting opening gambit. Yes, we will have to endure fake news on how this blows the Durham investigation up. But they will never admit this trial was used to introduce the reality of the conspiracy into an official record. And, the distinct possibility this charge and trial was more about that, than wanting/needing a conviction.

Had he been convicted the FBI would be having a party. It would have given them plausible deniability. The conspiracy would be resting squarely on Hillary’s and the DNC’s shoulders. His acquittal implies the opposite, they knew who he represented and chose to engage in the conspiracy.

Interestingly, even if Sussman did not lie to the FBI, he still participated in a conspiracy to influence the 2016 Presidential election. Will he be charged with that in the future? Or, has he already cut a deal on the more serious charges? Time will tell.

Perkins Coie had a freaking FBI comuter portal in their office??

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Now all those unauthorized fisa queries are starting to make sense…

Summary of fisa abuses 85%, Pg 82 from https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

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From Telegram today (Brian Cates):

In other words, the contracting of Perkins Coie with Joffe and the GT researchers was a smokescreen to hide one of the Democratic parties most valuable assets:

the fact the Democrat's top law firm had their own FBI portal into federal databases that they were using for 100% political targeting of opponents.

It was very important that nobody ever find out this.

Well we just found about this.

And I suspect Durham knew about it years ago.

And it never leaked.

As he built the cases against the people who've been essentially illegally mining federal databases to pursue political targets since 2012.

Now I have to say it. I have to.

If Durham found any solid evidence that Obama was involved in setting this FBI portal up inside Perkins Coie, he's going to be indicted for it.

Not just Hillary.

Obama also.

You can't expose and prosecute something like this without going after the people who set it up.


Nobody was ever supposed to discover Democrats were targeting political opponents via federal database access they had from inside their own law firm.

It's a massive game changer that this just went public.

 
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The Sussman single, low level charge was and is an interesting opening gambit. Yes, we will have to endure fake news on how this blows the Durham investigation up. But they will never admit this trial was used to introduce the reality of the conspiracy into an official record. And, the distinct possibility this charge and trial was more about that, than wanting/needing a conviction.

Had he been convicted the FBI would be having a party. It would have given them plausible deniability. The conspiracy would be resting squarely on Hillary’s and the DNC’s shoulders. His acquittal implies the opposite, they knew who he represented and chose to engage in the conspiracy.

Interestingly, even if Sussman did not lie to the FBI, he still participated in a conspiracy to influence the 2016 Presidential election. Will he be charged with that in the future? Or, has he already cut a deal on the more serious charges? Time will tell.

Perkins Coie had a freaking FBI comuter portal in their office??

Mlb3vVdzpLvk.jpeg


Now all those unauthorized fisa queries are starting to make sense…

Summary of fisa abuses 85%, Pg 82 from https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf


From Telegram today (Brian Cates):

In other words, the contracting of Perkins Coie with Joffe and the GT researchers was a smokescreen to hide one of the Democratic parties most valuable assets:

the fact the Democrat's top law firm had their own FBI portal into federal databases that they were using for 100% political targeting of opponents.

It was very important that nobody ever find out this.

Well we just found about this.

And I suspect Durham knew about it years ago.

And it never leaked.

As he built the cases against the people who've been essentially illegally mining federal databases to pursue political targets since 2012.

Now I have to say it. I have to.

If Durham found any solid evidence that Obama was involved in setting this FBI portal up inside Perkins Coie, he's going to be indicted for it.

Not just Hillary.

Obama also.

You can't expose and prosecute something like this without going after the people who set it up.


Nobody was ever supposed to discover Democrats were targeting political opponents via federal database access they had from inside their own law firm.

It's a massive game changer that this just went public.
Disagree. Obama and the Clinton’s are like Teflon, especially in the deep innards of the DC Swamp.

If Durham seeks and gets a change of venue, that changes things a but still might not ensure justice.
 
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Disagree. Obama and the Clinton’s are like Teflon, especially in the deep innards of the DC Swamp.

If Durham seeks and gets a change of venue, that changes things a but still might not ensure justice.
I agree. Def need a change of venue if there’s any chance for justice. Something like a military tribunal would do the trick. Have you seen how much gitmo has been expanded the last few years? Very interesting....
 
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The Left uses crap like sure bet jury nullifications and prosecutorial discretion to allow crimes to go unpunished. They have done it below the radar until recently, now they are emboldened by the open defiance of our top office holders to do it at all levels, openly and without fear of consequences. They are basically saying we can disregard and ignore any laws that stand in the way of us taking control for ourselves and our "friends". They do this while screaming about Republicans destroying our democracy.

Unless and until the voters put responsible people back in charge who will actually identify and root out this corruption from the Left (aka the Swamp or the Deep State) we will see more, not less of this crap.
Jury of peers does not mean only those that think differently than you, politics.... The rules for Juries are the same everywhere.
This is a dumb assertion.
 
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Jury of peers does not mean only those that think differently than you, politics.... The rules for Juries are the same everywhere.
This is a dumb assertion.
Yeah really. These guys think a fair jury would be 12 Republicans. Of course there’s going to be Dems on the jury they are the largest political party in the country.
 

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Jury of peers does not mean only those that think differently than you, politics.... The rules for Juries are the same everywhere.
This is a dumb assertion.
When the jury forewoman exclaimed after the trial that "I don’t think it should have been prosecuted. There are bigger things that affect the nation than a possible lie to the FBI" it proves that she had strong preconceived (absolute) ideas about the outcome. Considering that she was the forewoman, that doesn't bode well for having a fair and objective jury of peers.
 

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Yeah really. These guys think a fair jury would be 12 Republicans. Of course there’s going to be Dems on the jury they are the largest political party in the country.

Ask yourself how you would feel if that jury was 12 Republicans, several being rightwing activists. They came up with a quick conviction, and then had the foreman come out after the trial and say that he knew it would be a guilty verdict before the trial occurred.

Sink yourself into that thought. Take some time. Think about the fact that Washington is overrun by conservative Republicans and they control the judges, juries, lawmakers, DOJ, FBI, and every agency. They even control the counting of votes within swing states where elections are close.

Meditate on that for a while. Now add that those Republicans have wrecked the economy with their policies. Are you beginning to boil?

That is how Republicans feel right now.