Teasdale loses to Rumph from Wartburg
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Then why are accusing Cael of something? I mean, I'm not even sure what specifically you are accusing him of because all you want to do imply that Cael used him or something. You don't know why Gavin left the program yet you are convinced Cael Sanderson did something ethically wrong. It's pure mental gymnastics to confirm an obvious bias you already have.
You folks have it all wrong. Teasdale losing to a D3 guy is an obvious step forward for him and a sign that he will be at the top of the podium in 2020. How thick can you all be? 
What’s the saying ?
You can lead a horse to water .... but if the horse already hates Cael, that horse will probably die of thirst.
Something like that.
I did better in the haiku thread.
You can lead a lion to water, but if the water is flowing out of the HR cesspool.....NVM
Because both HR and Waterloo involve violent diarrhea?
FIFYYou folks have it all wrong. Teasdale losing to a D3 guy is an obvious step forward for him and a sign that he will be at the top of the podium in 2020. How thick and Rutgers-for-brains can you all be?
Facts don’t work with these people.
Smh, really?
Both wrestlers scored 1 takedown (excluding the takedown in the final seconds as Teasdale went for broke). The difference was Rumph escaping after getting taken down. Teasdale did not escape after getting taken down. Hence, instead of being tied 4-4, one takedown and 2 escapes apiece, Teasdale was down 4-3 because Rumph rode him out. Rumph won the match with the second period rideout.
If you need an example you're more familiar with, look no further than Hall-Valencia NCAA final last year. 1 takedown each. Valencia escaped in the first. Hall was ridden out after getting taken down in the second. He lost 4-3. Almost identical to the Teasdale match minus the last second desperation takedown.
Any wrestling coach worth his salt emphasizes the importance of ending periods on top. This is why. If you need me to explain other extremely basic wrestling strategy concepts, let me know. I'm happy to help.
Everyone in this thread needs a snickers.
Justifying why a D1 bluest of the blue chip recruit loses to a D3 kid........
Is peak interneting
Well done. Stupid and silly but entertaining as all heck.
Is peak interneting
Well done. Stupid and silly but entertaining as all heck.
It was a terrible loss. I was mostly giving a guy who I've followed since high school some credit.
So you don’t think it would’ve been beneficial for him to get an escape in a match where he was losing by 1 until there were only a couple seconds left?
Of course, something different could’ve then happened in the 3rd or he could’ve lost in OT.
Either trolling or willfully ignorant. Obviously, Teasdale (and Hall) could have overcome the rideout in the third period. Both tried. Both failed. When you look back at the match and ask "What made the difference?" the answer is clear to anybody with a rudimentary knowledge of wrestling. They got ridden out after getting taken down in the second period. Without that, they're sitting at 4-4 in the third where their opponent can't just shut down and play defense, making getting a winning takedown easier. You'd think a Penn State fan would get this after the Hall-Valencia NCAA final where this situation clearly manifested itself.
Idk why you're fighting this. It's not as if this being the difference in the match makes Teasdale look any better. He failed to execute at a critical moment and he paid for it.
Apparently, he's just somebody that understands that being tied in the third is better than losing in the third. Such a crazy thing to think.
I've had an easier time explaining basic match strategy to first year junior high kids.
Willfully ignorant is saying that a 2nd period rideout is THE difference in the match, when he still had 2 minutes to score 1 pt for OT or 2 pts to win.
It was A difference in the match. A significant difference.
The match was still there to be won. His failure to score in the 3rd was THE difference.
And, yes, I totally understand that the 2nd period rideout was not a good thing for him. We simply disagree on the magnitude of it.
And your comment about basic match strategy is uncalled for. Do you tell JR HS kids that they should just quit if their strategy fails? Of course not. You tell them that they need to adjust and persist.
Credit to a guy who didn't start wrestling until 8th grade beating a huge recruit at a power program.
Already addressed this argument. Obviously, Teasdale could have overcome it.
BUT, when you look back at the match and pick one moment that had the most impact on the outcome of the match, it was unquestionably the 2nd period rideout. Without it, Teasdale is in a much better position to win the match. The same is true for Hall against Zahid. He would tell you that. Cael would tell you that. The difference in being tied vs. being down by 1 in the 3rd is huge. If you want to double down to prove some kind of point, what point that is I have no idea, go ahead. But everyone else knows that the difference in the match was the rideout.
And your comment about the junior high kids is the best example of willfully ignorant yet. Where in there could you possibly draw that interpretation? Obviously, you keep working when strategy pays off. Doesn't mean you can't acknowledge the strategic failure afterwards. If one of my wrestlers loses a match like Hall did, I'm pointing out that if he could have gotten away at the end of the second, it's tied match. Takes nothing away from his/her efforts to win during the match. Just bizarre dude. Give it up.
Lol, I'm not delusional. Teasdale gets no credit for losing to a D3 guy. I'm excited for Rumph because he was one of my favorite in state kids when he was in high school and it's good to see him with a big win.
I think part of the point is an escape should be easier to get than a takedown. Even if he gets a takedown in the 3rd, unless he rides Rumph out then they’re going to OT.
But as seems to be the case for a few highly regarded freshmen/redshirt freshmen already this season, mat wrestling is a lot different in college than high school, even if a D1 guy is wrestling a D3 guy apparently.
I have one question that has yet to be answered in all the years Ive been hanging out here.
Since we have coaches, analysts, smartasses and the like convened to make their points, can someone please explain to me .......
the intricacies of hitting a duck under while trailing in a match
Since we have coaches, analysts, smartasses and the like convened to make their points, can someone please explain to me .......
the intricacies of hitting a duck under while trailing in a match
Not sure, but I think if you hit it while your opponent is backpedaling with a 1 point lead, that's what makes it a super duck.
According to track, Teasdale was :02 seconds short of riding time when the kid escaped in the 3rd.
Teasdale also had nearly 2 minutes of neutral time in the 2nd and 3rd where he couldn't get a TD.
Let's all say it again together - against a D3 kid.
Getting ridden out for a minute in the 2nd period is probably the least concerning thing about that match.
Teasdale also had nearly 2 minutes of neutral time in the 2nd and 3rd where he couldn't get a TD.
Let's all say it again together - against a D3 kid.
Getting ridden out for a minute in the 2nd period is probably the least concerning thing about that match.
Especially when Teasdale's strength is his neutral attacking skills.
Gavin Teasdale getting ridden out by a D3 guy should be concerning. Got some work to do there. Neutral skills are like dodgeball, fun to work on. Top game, grinding someone without mercy; I heard Zain enjoyed that a time or two. Getting out from the bottom is more work than fun. Could be a painfull learning curve ahead for GT.
Anyone who saw him a lot in high school know how much experience he had with life on the bottom? Honest question.
Anyone who saw him a lot in high school know how much experience he had with life on the bottom? Honest question.
That's a totally different conversation. Something can be the difference in the match and not be the most concerning. I'm far more concerned that he didn't score multiple takedowns against a D3 kid than getting ridden out to close the second. Not being dominant in his best position has farther reaching consequences for the future than the rideout.
Doesn't mean getting ridden out wasn't the most pivotal factor in this specific loss. Take Mark's loss. I'd be concerned that he seems to shut down his large offensive arsenal in big matches, instead relying on his defense. That doesn't bode well for future big matches. However, getting ridden out was ultimately the difference in the final. He gets out and Zahid has to go into his wheelhouse to win. That's a much better place for Mark to be.
Teasdale was largely a feet first guy in HS -- and really good at it. SO states he won every match by TF, all takedown tourney, 20+ pts in every match, every opponent was a future D1 recruit. It really was a sight to behold.
JR state finals was the first clue -- he did win the match 13-5 but lost the last 2 periods badly. Opponent (Austin Clabaugh, now a PSU backup) was a good crossbody rider but no Zain. Teasdale in the 2nd made Kenny Courts look good on bottom. Clabaugh beat him up so bad, he had nothing left in the 3rd.
When he committed to PSU, bottom was definitely a concern. We all thought he'd get a lot of bottom work in the room.
The SPCP is not going to be happy about that picture!
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