I'll be the only one that says Clemente but that just means he'd be on mine
Sort of OT: Mount Rushmore of Baseball
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I have to get Clemente in there. Best throwing RF of all time and off the field charity was amazing.
Mays, Williams, Jackie Robinson and Clemente
In 19 MLB seasons (losing all or part of 5 to military service) he hit 521 home runs and only struck out 709 times ( never more than 64 in a season)
That's cause he was a fly fisherman
They played real baseball back then, when striking out was considered bad.
I agree with Clemente. For me it's about more than just the game. Clemente lost his life in an effort to help earthquake victims in Nicaragua. He was a great ballplayer but a better man.
Barry Bonds is on there over Babe and Hank. Baseball purists are all about the numbers except when it comes to Bonds. He has the greatest numbers and is the HR king. GOAT.
Williams, Yaz, Fisk, David Ortiz
However I might be slightly bias
However I might be slightly bias
totally agree,
tic, Schmidt, Carlton (my idol as a kid lefty pitcher myself besides Bobby Clarke) and Rose on that team, just adding the dudes that were instrumental in bringing that WS home.
God Bless Henry! Others had said better...
Willie Mays has to be on there. Jackie Robinson is a tough call going strictly on records/stats but his impact on the game and the society makes that a no brainer, Jackie Robinson has to be on there. Ruth would have made the HoF as a pitcher, arguably the greatest player of all. Finally, Henry Aaron, who endured as much as Jackie Robinson, and who has mind boggling stats, is the 4th.
Ruth - best player of all time
Cobb - best hitter of all time - honorable mention Hornsby
Walter Johnson - best pitcher of all time - honorable mention Cy Young & Mathewson
Mays - best all around player of all time
All Time
C- Bench
1b - Gehrig
2b - Hornsby
SS - Wagner
3b - Schmidt
OF - Ruth, Cobb, Mays (LF - Williams, CF - Mays , RF - Ruth)
Cobb - best hitter of all time - honorable mention Hornsby
Walter Johnson - best pitcher of all time - honorable mention Cy Young & Mathewson
Mays - best all around player of all time
All Time
C- Bench
1b - Gehrig
2b - Hornsby
SS - Wagner
3b - Schmidt
OF - Ruth, Cobb, Mays (LF - Williams, CF - Mays , RF - Ruth)
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Aaron, Ruth, Mays and Ted Williams. Remember, Williams missed 3 years of his prime because of service in WW II. Imagine his stats if he did play those 3 seasons.
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Ruth, Williams, Mays and Aaron
Any list without Ruth should be disregarded
Any list without Ruth should be disregarded
Aaron, Ruth, Mays and Ted Williams. Remember, Williams missed 3 years of his prime because of service in WW II. Imagine his stats if he did play those 3 seasons.
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He missed 3 full seasons for WW2
He missed just under 2 seasons for the Korean War (1952-53)
you can basically add to his totals about:
150 HRs
700 RBI
45 WAR
850 hits
Let’s not get carried away with hyperbole for Williams. He could debatably be the top hitter ever, but those are likely best case scenario projections with the RBIs being very unlikely.
Any player list has to have Ruth #1. The #1 hitter is an unprovable opinion, but once accounting for pitching...
I’d also argue any Mt. Rushmore position player list has to include Gehrig.
Many of the records we have discussed over the years are unassailable like Cy Young wins and Ryan K’s. Given the way the game is played, nobody will ever approach Rickey’s SB’s either.
But there is another one for a single season that is tucked away as well. Hornsby hitting over .400 with 40 HR’s in the SAME season. Barry had a lukewarm run a couple of times when they were walking him like crazy. He got into shouting distance but never that close.
But there is another one for a single season that is tucked away as well. Hornsby hitting over .400 with 40 HR’s in the SAME season. Barry had a lukewarm run a couple of times when they were walking him like crazy. He got into shouting distance but never that close.
There are too many players to limit it to 4. I saw a poll that said Ted Williams, Barry Bonds, Willie Mays, and Babe Ruth but all polls are different. The only person that is a unanimous pick in all polls is Babe Ruth.
And Ruth goes beyond the numbers....he was obviously the most famous baseball player to ever play.
Or maybe there should only be two...Ruth and Robinson....beyond those two it gets sticky.
My original choices were Aaron, because he's the legitimate home run champion, and if you add his 5 HRs in the Negrp Leagues, he has a total of 760 with no artificial enhancements; Ruth, because he single-handedly rescued the game from the Black Sox scandal, dominated the headlines -- the front page headlines -- in the 1920s and 1930s, and created the modern power game; and Robinson because he broke the color barrier and created the modern game of baseball. Those three are slam-dunks (home runs?) as far as I'm concerned.
After reading all of the replies, I'm going to propose Cy Young as the fourth face. He has a pitching award named after him, and we need a pitcher on the wall. Walter Johnson may have been the Babe Ruth of pitching, and I think we need a pitcher on the Mount.
After reading all of the replies, I'm going to propose Cy Young as the fourth face. He has a pitching award named after him, and we need a pitcher on the wall. Walter Johnson may have been the Babe Ruth of pitching, and I think we need a pitcher on the Mount.
In the 70’s when I was a baseball geek I created a formula to measure great statistical seasons. This was way before all the metrics of today and it weighted like 15 different categories. The winner was Hornsby’s 1922 season.
Sandy Koufax, great as he was for five years, was really only great for five years.
Its hard to evaluate players from the 20s because the stats were inflated. Hornsby had great numbers but Sisler hit .420 something at the same time. Ruth i would rank number one because he was the best in his era, changed the game and was a great pitcher. But hornsby, foxx, gehrig, Hornsby i would put top 30 but not top 5. I agree there has to be a pitcher. Thats a tough one. Greg maddox's numbers are pretty amazing especially given the hitters era he played in. But randy johnson is right up with him. Seaver, gibson ect pitched in great pitching eras and i would put them in the top 30 or so, but not top 5. Kofax was not great for long enough. Cy young, walter johnson, christi mathewson who knows wonder if those guys even threw 90 mph, before the power game they could just pace themselves.
You are right and there are probably 20 other pitchers who should be ranked ahead of Koufax for lifetime achievement. However, he played baseball during my teenage years when I played baseball. I saw him pitch against the Mets in Shea Stadium. It was the most dazzling baseball performance I ever witnessed. His stuff was unreal. He was truly unhittable when he was in sync. I have a soft spot for Koufax.
Never saw koufax i wonder who was more dominating, koufax or randy johnson? Both were just crazy good with unreal stuff. But randy johnson lasted longer plus he pitched against the steroid guys in a great hitters era.
I would try to have one player from each era, and a pitcher. Cobb was the best in the first 50 years. Ruth is the best from any era. For the post war era, i go with mays. Aaron and williams were slightly better hitters, but mays gets the nod for defense and entertainment value. The latest era is the toughest. I need a pitcher, so looking at purely the numbers its maddox or randy johnson. Maddox had over 350 wins and 4 straight cy youngs pitching in the steroid hitting era. Btw i would have to go with bonds if not for steroids. So its cobb, ruth, mays and maddox for me.
Jackie Robinson was incredible what he and Larry Doby endured to break down the color barrier, but neither would be on the Mt. Rushmore of Baseball imho, Ruth, Mays, Williams, and the 4th is very debatable..
The problem with questions like "Who should go on baseball's Mt. Rushmore" is that the criteria for selection isn't defined. If the criteria is courage and effect on society while being a decent player then players like Robinson, Doby, Curt Flood, Aaron, etc. should be picked. If the criteria is pure baseball playing ability then Koufax, Williams, Mays, Mantle, maybe even Mike Schmidt and Nolan Ryan should be picked. If the criteria is lifetime stats then players like Walter Johnson, Ruth, Bonds, Aaron, Rose are the ones. Without selection criteria each of the above posts are apples to oranges.
| Rank | Player (yrs, age) | Wins Above Replacement ▼ | Bats/Throws |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Babe Ruth+ (22) | 182.5 | L |
| 3. | Cy Young+ (22) | 163.8 | R |
| 4. | Barry Bonds (22) | 162.8 | L |
| 5. | Willie Mays+ (22) | 156.2 | R |
| 6. | Ty Cobb+ (24) | 151.0 | L |
| 7. | Hank Aaron+ (23) | 143.1 | R |
| 8. | Roger Clemens (24) | 139.2 | R |
| 9. | Tris Speaker+ (22) | 134.2 | L |
| 10. | Honus Wagner+ (21) | 130.8 | R |
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