So, about that "Conspiracy of Silence" by Joe Paterno, Curley, Schultz & Spanier at Penn State.

[PSU_Nut]

Pension board didn't go after him for that as you claimed earlier. But you do bring up an intriguing point about yourself. You assume Curley and Shultz had intimate knowledge of the event, even though you have shown no evidence of such, and the laws work against you by showing they would not have access to the info. Then, you don't show any evidence they were consulted on access or what their thoughts were on the topic if they were consulted. Even more so, you ignore who actually granted access (Erickson and the bot). You sound like a real honest individual.

They had knowledge that it occurred. They didn't need to know details. Simply knowing that he was investigated for it is enough. Erickson and the BOT should have never approved the retirement package. There plenty of blame to go around but it should have been stopped in 98.

 

[mhentz]

Well, there's still a perjury charge against Tim. That would be a felony, correct?

My understanding is that the perjury charge remaining against Tim is essentially the result of a clerical error of sorts. That is, Tim's attorney essentially neglected to ask the court to reconsider the charge. They've circled back and asked the court to reconsider that charge and when they get around to it, that one will be dropped as well for the same reasons that Graham's and Gray's perjury charges were dropped.

 

[Aoshiro]

They had knowledge that it occurred. They didn't need to know details. Simply knowing that he was investigated for it is enough. Erickson and the BOT should have never approved the retirement package. There plenty of blame to go around but it should have been stopped in 98.

Paterno didn't want Sandusky bringing Second Mile kids into Lasch building. There's a record of that in Paterno's own handwriting. Aren't you just a teensy bit curious about who overruled him and why?

 

[91Joe95]

They had knowledge that it occurred. They didn't need to know details. Simply knowing that he was investigated for it is enough. Erickson and the BOT should have never approved the retirement package. There plenty of blame to go around but it should have been stopped in 98.

Let's break down the absurdity of your claims. Curley and Shultz were responsible because:

1) they had knowledge even though you offer no proof and the law says they wouldn't
2) you have no idea one way or the other what their thoughts were on his retirement package, or even if they were consulted
3) the supposed most powerful man on campus opposed the retirement package, but was overruled by...
4) Erickson and the bot
5) the bot championed and voted on the retirement package in 99, after the 98 incident, because, well, only they could approve any special package
6) there is no evidence the bot consulted Curley and Shultz, but why would they care when they overruled the one they feared the most
7) Curley and Shultz know more about contract law than you
8) after the next incident, the 2001, Curley and Shultz tried to restrict access, and it appears to have worked, but
9) they didn't have the authority to override the bot's contract with Sandusky
10) the only ones who could override Sandusky's access, the bot, did not formally override Sandusky's access even after being "officially" informed in March 2011
11) there is plenty of evidence the bot knew about Sandusky even earlier than that, and did not restrict access
12) the bot did not formally restrict Sandusky's access until long after Sandusky was formally indicted in Nov. 2011

Yet, this is somehow Curley and Shultz's fault. Am I missing something, other than your blatant dishonesty?

 

[WeR0206]

Let's break down the absurdity of your claims. Curley and Shultz were responsible because:

1) they had knowledge even though you offer no proof and the law says they wouldn't
2) you have no idea one way or the other what their thoughts were on his retirement package, or even if they were consulted
3) the supposed most powerful man on campus opposed the retirement package, but was overruled by...
4) Erickson and the bot
5) the bot championed and voted on the retirement package in 99, after the 98 incident, because, well, only they could approve any special package
6) there is no evidence the bot consulted Curley and Shultz, but why would they care when they overruled the one they feared the most
7) Curley and Shultz know more about contract law than you
8) after the next incident, the 2001, Curley and Shultz tried to restrict access, and it appears to have worked, but
9) they didn't have the authority to override the bot's contract with Sandusky
10) the only ones who could override Sandusky's access, the bot, did not formally override Sandusky's access even after being "officially" informed in March 2011
11) there is plenty of evidence the bot knew about Sandusky even earlier than that, and did not restrict access
12) the bot did not formally restrict Sandusky's access until long after Sandusky was formally indicted in Nov. 2011

Yet, this is somehow Curley and Shultz's fault. Am I missing something, other than your blatant dishonesty?

Wow. You just completed laid waste to him. Well done Sir!

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Hey don't bring facts into this... only opinions are accepted here...

Thanks, Louis.

 

[john4psu]

In Desmond's defense, he may have recanted. No one understands a freakin word he says.

That would require thought on his part would it not?

 

[Harer19]

So, about that "Conspiracy of Silence" by Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz & Graham Spanier at Penn State University.

GAME OVER. CHARGES DROPPED.

"A Pennsylvania appeals court says it won't reconsider a recent decision throwing out some of the most serious criminal charges against three former Penn State administrators related to their handling of the Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal. ... A three judge panel in February threw out charges of perjury, obstruction [of justice] and conspiracy." link ​

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There are a lot of people who are going to have to eat their words. Condolences to @Cruising Route 66, @michnittlion, @Black Elmo 2 @PSU_Nut, etc., etc...

"With findings very similar to the Freeh report, Attorney General Linda Kelly today announced charges of conspiracy, obstruction, perjury and child endangerment against former Penn State president Graham Spanier, vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. There was one difference: The court documents don't implicate the late football coach Joe Paterno." - Sara Ganim

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"This case is about three powerful and influential men who held positions at the very top of one of the most prestigious universities in the nation. Three men who used their positions at Penn State to conceal and cover up for years the activities of a known child predator. ... This was a conspiracy of silence by top officials working to actively conceal the truth with total disregard for the children who were Sandusky's victims." - Attorney General Linda Kelly

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"The historically unprecedented actions by the NCAA are warranted by the conspiracy of silence maintained at highest level of the university with reckless and callous disregard for children." - Ed Ray, Chair of the NCAA Executive Committee

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Desmond Howard: "The one point that people continue to make, that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth is about the players and how the players shouldn't have to pay the price for what happened... as if they don't have a choice. You know, you read some tweets and some messages and people say, 'Hey, remember the victims.' Well, I challenge you to remember the victims, but THINK about the victims, and THINK about how they were victimized. Think about what they had to go through when this burly coach was victimizing them. Add some substance to that symbolism and they didn't have a choice. Those damn victims didn't have a choice. Why? Because of the culture at Penn State University, particularly in the football department. Now these football players today, who are at Penn State, they have a choice. If you grew up loving Penn State Nittany Lions football and you always wanted to play for Penn State, guess what? You can stay, and you can represent Penn State and wear that uniform proudly and you will have a chance to earn a degree from Penn State University. BUT, if you like to play in the postseason and all of the luxuries that come along with that sort of opportunity, then you can transfer out TODAY and go to another university and live out those dreams. The players today have a choice. The damned victims didn't."

I wonder how he feels about the child porn scandal at Michigan by one of its employees and they tried to sweep it under the rug?

 

[PSU_Nut]

Paterno didn't want Sandusky bringing Second Mile kids into Lasch building. There's a record of that in Paterno's own handwriting. Aren't you just a teensy bit curious about who overruled him and why?

Yes. I would.

 

[catalacjack]

Likely gets appealed to the Supreme Court now, which was where it was probably headed anyway regardless of ruling. Felony child endangerment charge on all three remains as does a perjury charge on Curley.

Sorry not Felony this was not an ongoing act it was once and done, so it is a misdemeanor in the first degree.
An offense under this section constitutes a misdemeanor of the first degree

 

[PSU_Nut]

Let's break down the absurdity of your claims. Curley and Shultz were responsible because:

1) they had knowledge even though you offer no proof and the law says they wouldn't
2) you have no idea one way or the other what their thoughts were on his retirement package, or even if they were consulted
3) the supposed most powerful man on campus opposed the retirement package, but was overruled by...
4) Erickson and the bot
5) the bot championed and voted on the retirement package in 99, after the 98 incident, because, well, only they could approve any special package
6) there is no evidence the bot consulted Curley and Shultz, but why would they care when they overruled the one they feared the most
7) Curley and Shultz know more about contract law than you
8) after the next incident, the 2001, Curley and Shultz tried to restrict access, and it appears to have worked, but
9) they didn't have the authority to override the bot's contract with Sandusky
10) the only ones who could override Sandusky's access, the bot, did not formally override Sandusky's access even after being "officially" informed in March 2011
11) there is plenty of evidence the bot knew about Sandusky even earlier than that, and did not restrict access
12) the bot did not formally restrict Sandusky's access until long after Sandusky was formally indicted in Nov. 2011

Yet, this is somehow Curley and Shultz's fault. Am I missing something, other than your blatant dishonesty?

There is no evidence Curley Spanier or Shultz opposed it. There only a scribbled no from Joe. Why did they not put their objections in writing.

He negotiated the retirement package with Curley. If Shultz and Curley disagreed with it why did they sign the agreement ?

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Commonwealth/out/60CD15_11-13-15.pdf

 

[Zenophile]

Let's break down the absurdity of your claims. Curley and Shultz were responsible because:

1) they had knowledge even though you offer no proof and the law says they wouldn't
2) you have no idea one way or the other what their thoughts were on his retirement package, or even if they were consulted
3) the supposed most powerful man on campus opposed the retirement package, but was overruled by...
4) Erickson and the bot
5) the bot championed and voted on the retirement package in 99, after the 98 incident, because, well, only they could approve any special package
6) there is no evidence the bot consulted Curley and Shultz, but why would they care when they overruled the one they feared the most
7) Curley and Shultz know more about contract law than you
8) after the next incident, the 2001, Curley and Shultz tried to restrict access, and it appears to have worked, but
9) they didn't have the authority to override the bot's contract with Sandusky
10) the only ones who could override Sandusky's access, the bot, did not formally override Sandusky's access even after being "officially" informed in March 2011
11) there is plenty of evidence the bot knew about Sandusky even earlier than that, and did not restrict access
12) the bot did not formally restrict Sandusky's access until long after Sandusky was formally indicted in Nov. 2011

Yet, this is somehow Curley and Shultz's fault. Am I missing something, other than your blatant dishonesty?

That's a pretty fabulous summary.

 

[Zenophile]

There is no evidence Curley Spanier or Shultz opposed it. There only a scribbled no from Joe. Why did they not put their objections in writing.

He negotiated the retirement package with Curley. If Shultz and Curley disagreed with it why did they sign the agreement ?

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Commonwealth/out/60CD15_11-13-15.pdf

 

[ChiTownLion]

Given the rash of explosive sexual abuse scandals emerging at Michigan, Minnesota and Syracuse, in addition to those at Michigan State and Ohio State, it seems appropriate to remind everyone that there was no cover-up at Penn State University.

Given the obvious cover-ups at our peer institutions, I can't wait to see how the Big Ten and NCAA act accordingly.

Oh, and a question for Mushmouf.

 

[psuro]

Given the rash of explosive sexual abuse scandals emerging at Michigan, Minnesota and Syracuse, in addition to those at Michigan State and Ohio State, it seems appropriate to remind everyone that there was no cover-up at Penn State University.

Given the obvious cover-ups at our peer institutions, I can't wait to see how the Big Ten and NCAA act accordingly.

Oh, and a question for Mushmouf.

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You are going to be waiting a long time.

 

[PSUQBKeeper]

eat it Desmond you dickhead

 

[wlawn]

FU mushmouth

 

[psuro]

FU mushmouth

That can be said to him at any time.

And should be.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

#desmondknew

 

[Rjyoung317]

I cant believe that Desmond still has a job nine years later

 

[Waltwam]

Well, there's still a perjury charge against Tim. That would be a felony, correct?

In our society today, perjury is common, and often ignored.

 

[Beachwineguy]

What falsehood was that? He was accused of improper contact with a child in 1998 when he was an employee. As an employee and former employee he was still given access to Penn State facility where he was allowed to shower with kids.

Is that kinda like how you’ve been accused of being a moron for quite some time, so we shouldn’t have needed this thread to prove it?

 

[Beachwineguy]

I cant believe that Desmond still has a job nine years later

They need someone to make the other talking heads look somewhat competent.

 

[kgilbert78]

The prosecutors got what they wanted out of this--dragging PSU and especially Spanier thru the mud to make Corbett happy.... JoePa was collateral damage, aided and abetted by a couple people on the BOT who had an ax to grind.

 

[indynittany]

The prosecutors got what they wanted out of this--dragging PSU and especially Spanier thru the mud to make Corbett happy.... JoePa was collateral damage, aided and abetted by a couple people on the BOT who had an ax to grind.

How much of it was due to their need to prevent Curley and Schultz from testifying on Sandusky's behalf?

The OAG knew full well that McQueary didn't witness or report anal rape. Had that falsehood not been interjected into the narrative, Joe would have rightly been praised, C/S/S would have never been charged. In short, without that lie, there would not have been a PSU scandal.

That this ever became a PSU scandal, rather than a TSM scandal, was by design and deserves to be investigated. That it happened, isn't the fault of the media. However, that it succeeded, is!

 

[NittPicker]

That this ever became a PSU scandal, rather than a TSM scandal, was by design and deserves to be investigated. That it happened, isn't the fault of the media. However, that it succeeded, is!

It certainly does deserve to be investigated but the current AG won't do it since his biggest concern is the next gubernatorial race. Grand jury leaks by Fina?? He won't touch that with a 100 foot pole.

 

[Elwood Blues]

It certainly does deserve to be investigated but the current AG won't do it since his biggest concern is the next gubernatorial race. Grand jury leaks by Fina?? He won't touch that with a 100 foot pole.

...so when Shapiro runs for Gov, which seems inevitable, remember to vote for the other candidate (hopefully the R's can do better than that trash hauler guy)

 

[psuro]

The prosecutors got what they wanted out of this--dragging PSU and especially Spanier thru the mud to make Corbett happy.... JoePa was collateral damage, aided and abetted by a couple people on the BOT who had an ax to grind.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Actual footage of MM the night he desperately needed to put his sneakers in his locker...

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

This is footage taken from the Gingerbread Man security camera between him watching Rudy and going up to the football facilities.