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Reality check time for PSU

Didn't seem to effect Christian McCaffery at Stanford.


How soon can you get to State College? This staff needs your input desperately! I can't see how they navigate the balance of the season without your insight. Thankful we have fans like you to straighten out the coaches. Who knows what they do to pass time between games...

It's a message board. No need to slam the guy for having an opinion. Perhaps there are issues to address when you run up and down the field and have the ball the whole game but can put it away until .04 left.
 
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean there's a mismatch.

There will be mismatches. There are mismatches every game. McCarron on Apke was a big mismatch. Wadley on Cabinda was a big mismatch. Indiana coaches have been working for months on how to create the mismatches. That's football in every power 5 game every week.

I cant wait to see the secondary go against one of the best passing games in the B1G. The D-line passed a big test against a good physical running offense.
 
There will be mismatches. There are mismatches every game. McCarron on Apke was a big mismatch. Wadley on Cabinda was a big mismatch. Indiana coaches have been working for months on how to create the mismatches. That's football in every power 5 game every week.

I cant wait to see the secondary go against one of the best passing games in the B1G. The D-line passed a big test against a good physical running offense.
He was speaking of a specific point: Their receivers against our secondary. He said it was a mismatch in favor of Indiana. No way you can make a blanket statement like that at this point.
 
Our secondary hasn't played anyone this season who has WRs at anything approaching the level of Indiana's WRs. I've watched three Indiana games this season. They are very good.
Cobbs is very good. The others are not remotely in his area code in terms of talent.
 
You make people hate watching football. Maybe you should be a coach? You seem to be good at finding faults in everything.

So ignore me, please. Some people just want rah rah, I get that. But why do you have to tell me what's okay to post? I don't tell you what to post.

Why do you have to campaign to try to shut people up? The ignore feature on this board is so easy to use.
 
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Absolutely. I went in thinking Iowa could pound the ball but PSU was very well prepared. Iowa started with the pin and pull play that worked so well for Pitt and they got stoned. They couldn't run at all until the 4Q when Pry bet the farm on pass and didn't bother to cover the run off tackle.

Yeah it was partly scheme -- Pry put LBers and safeties into running lanes all night. But it was partly talent and passion, as well as confidence in the PSU corners who played very well. I loved it. If PSU can run stuff like that the rest of the season, that is a foundational block for them. I thought DL played very, very well.

Now the secondary's turn to get tested comes on Saturday. I'm expecting they will pass the test too.


just curious - you aren't the "T. Boyer" who use to post on rsfc, are you? (you would know that that is if it is you).
 
He was speaking of a specific point: Their receivers against our secondary. He said it was a mismatch in favor of Indiana. No way you can make a blanket statement like that at this point.

OK, I agree. I can't wait to see how they match up. We know this PSU secondary is very good, so it will be super fun to see them go up against this passing game.
 
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It is always a gift to get a game that re-grounds a team without it costing you an L.

PSU played great at Iowa City in many ways, but the game also exposed quite a few fairly big weaknesses that they will have to address -- and address SOON.

1) PSU D has to learn how to play Pry's pressure schemes without giving up long easy TDs. That is mostly on the safeties. Safeties are called safeties for a reason. The No. 1 reason football teams have safeties is to prevent long easy TDs.

2) LBers have great aggressiveness, but they need to get better reading and positional discipline. Difficult balance but they have to do it. A spectacular TFL means nothing if the following play you overcommit and get caught inside and give up a 50 yard gain right through the spot that you were responsible for.

3) The whole offense has to get used to the way defense are going to play them this year -- Iowa, Pitt, and to some degree USC have shown how to do it. You play safeties back, take away the deep ball, you pressure McSorley IN the pocket but focus on containment rather than sacks. When McSorley uses his legs he is probably the best QB in the Big Ten but if you take that part of his game away, he is the short QB who lacks an NFL arm. So even if people are free downfield he won't see them and if you get him backpedaling he won't be able to deliver the ball 50 yards downfield.

Funny to say this after a 579 yard performance, but I think the O has a ton of work to do. There will come a game (and maybe it's this week) when Barkley is not good for 300 yards of offense. PSU has to have more of a downfield passing game than they had Saturday. I think personnel wise they should be able to do it, but they need help from Moorhead and the coaches on scheme.

There are offensive scheme responses to the Iowa-Pitt type defensive approach. But I don't think Moorhead has gotten them installed yet. They need to do that soon.

Moorhead's whole thing is to take advantage of aggressive blitzing Ds like PSU saw last year. But last year is last year. This year everything will be different. The Iowa game should make that clear just how different things are going to be this year.

Indiana is a hell of a good team. They have scary players. They have a LOT more matchup advantages vs. PSU than Iowa did. Even at the Beav, this game scares me. PSU is going to have to really be sharp to beat them.
I worry about every game, Indy included. But if Indiana is a threat to PSU, playing in HV, then we are no where near a top 5 team. And to the poster who said Indy's WRs have a mismatch vs. PSU, I don't think so. Haley, Campbell, Castro, maybe Amani, can play with anyone. They may not win every battle but they won't be a matchup issue either.
 
Indiana worries me. Last year they were leading until Barkley scored the go ahead with under 4 minutes to play. They did manage to contain Barkley for most of the game, even though he was more of a workhorse running the ball in that game than against Iowa on Saturday. He ran 33 times for 58 yards. 12 went for a loss and another 3 went for no gain. Will they play a similar defense this year or will they adjust it to contain McSorley a bit more, similar to Iowa this year?

Here's a list of Barkley's runs against Indiana last year:
-8
-6
-4
-4
-3
-2
-2
-2
-1
-1
-1
-1
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2 - TD
2
3
4
4 - TD
5
8
11
12
13
21


And just for reference, here's his runs against Iowa from Saturday.
-2
-1
0
0
1
1
1
2
4
4
5
5
5
5
6
7
7
7
7
7
8 - TD
9
11
12
15
16
25
44
 
Did someone say "faults"? Then let's find faults.
Indiana does not have a running back that is even close to Akrum Wadley in terms of talent.
Indiana DOES have Simmie Cobbs, who is a very good wide receiver, who we will need to either bracket, or cover with our best cover man, and there will be times when they will go to the high fade, which was their only successful play vs Ohio State, BUT, nobody else on that team is even close to Cobbs in terms of talent, and Westbrook, their other great receiver, isn't on the field this Saturday.
Indiana does not have the Offensive line they had last year and had all kinds of trouble protecting the quarterback against Ohio State.
Indiana has problems up front defensively that they did not have last year. Ohio State gashed them running the football, with their freshman nearly going for 200 yards.
Indiana has Scales, but not much else on the 2nd level, and Barkley can beat anyone in the nation and that actually IS the truth.
Indiana did not rush the passer against Ohio State, and if McSorley gets the time, he will find open receivers in the secondary, as Ohio State does not have a great receiving corps but found many open receivers in the secondary.
 
Indiana worries me. Last year they were leading until Barkley scored the go ahead with under 4 minutes to play. They did manage to contain Barkley for most of the game, even though he was more of a workhorse running the ball in that game than against Iowa on Saturday. He ran 33 times for 58 yards. 12 went for a loss and another 3 went for no gain. Will they play a similar defense this year or will they adjust it to contain McSorley a bit more, similar to Iowa this year?

Here's a list of Barkley's runs against Indiana last year:
-8
-6
-4
-4
-3
-2
-2
-2
-1
-1
-1
-1
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2 - TD
2
3
4
4 - TD
5
8
11
12
13
21


And just for reference, here's his runs against Iowa from Saturday.
-2
-1
0
0
1
1
1
2
4
4
5
5
5
5
6
7
7
7
7
7
8 - TD
9
11
12
15
16
25
44

Thanks. By the way, the Iowa game is over. Every game is different and we now play Indiana. If you can, please provide an "in advance" listing of his carries vs Indiana. I need to hit the casino this week and you seem to be the man.
 
So ignore me, please. Some people just want rah rah, I get that. But why do you have to tell me what's okay to post? I don't tell you what to post.

Why do you have to campaign to try to shut people up? The ignore feature on this board is so easy to use.

Dude, you're always negative. PSU is 4-0 and you make it like they're 0-4. You're not a coach, and the coaches aren't coming to this board to read your posts. There is zero point to your weekly lectures, your intended audience (PSU coaching staff) is not reading it. Iowa played a good game and PSU could have played better, that's all. Enjoy the ride.
 
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I'm sure Nick Saban thinks of every team on his schedule as a threat. That is one of the reasons he doesn't lose much.

And in this case they really are a threat. They're a quality team and they will give PSU some trouble like they did last year. Do I think they'll win? No, especially with the game at the Beav, especially given PSU will probably get a lift from having dodged the bullet at Kinnick.

But if PSU comes in flat, makes a bunch of mistakes, lets Indiana hang in till the 4th quarter, definitely this game is losable, even at home. Indiana 5 years ago, yeah you could take the week off and not bother to watch. Not this year.

And BTW I don't know if this team is capable of playing flat, which is really a strength. They have played hard every quarter so far this year. Which is not at all something to be taken for granted. I'd bet complacency is not going to be a problem with this group.

I worry about every game, Indy included. But if Indiana is a threat to PSU, playing in HV, then we are no where near a top 5 team. And to the poster who said Indy's WRs have a mismatch vs. PSU, I don't think so. Haley, Campbell, Castro, maybe Amani, can play with anyone. They may not win every battle but they won't be a matchup issue either.
 
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Dude, you're always negative.

So ignore me, please! Why do you have to be self appointed censor of everything you find insufficiently positive. In fact I love this team but I personally would rather talk about substance, and substance is well substance. I don't think it's negative at all. Teams have strengths and relative weaknesses and challenges to overcome. To me that's fun. To you apparently not.

Anyway I'll ignore you and plead for you to do the same with me and anybody else you view as always negative.
 
This just in: TBoyer has spoken. Game cancelled this week.

This is getting tiresome. It's like no one wants to discuss substance.

I'm almost about to give up on the board. I need a safe space to talk about football without all the psychoanalysis and just plain meanness.

I don't get personal with people, I try to be respectful. Just ignore me if you don't like it Mike.
 
It was a good season while it lasted. Obviously the rest of the Big Ten has figured Penn State out and our coaches have no answers.
Yep. TBoyer has outlined it, and Dave Jones has declared that the "template" is set for beating PSU. Season over.
 
Thanks. By the way, the Iowa game is over. Every game is different and we now play Indiana. If you can, please provide an "in advance" listing of his carries vs Indiana. I need to hit the casino this week and you seem to be the man.
Oh, you want a prediction? He’ll run 21 times, use his guns on some nasty stiff-arms, and end the day with close to 2 miles in career yardage.
 
Tboyer brings up some valid concerns and I agree with some of them. I did think Pry blitzed too much Saturday when i didn't feel like it was necessary. The Iowa QB wasn't sitting back there picking them apart. If he didn't dial up that blitz the 70 yard TD doesn't happen. This game concerns me because if Lagow gets hot and McSorley is off like he was against Pitt this game could get very interesting. Not to mention PSU just played a tough physical night game on the road. Thank God this isn't a noon game.
 
Yep. TBoyer has outlined it, and Dave Jones has declared that the "template" is set for beating PSU. Season over.

What kind of a comment is that? Why not actually discuss it? I'd like to hear what you think. You have good things to offer this board. It would be more interesting to discuss A) if Jones is right and B) if so, what does Moorhead do to adjust to the adjustment? Why make it personal?
 
It is always a gift to get a game that re-grounds a team without it costing you an L.

PSU played great at Iowa City in many ways, but the game also exposed quite a few fairly big weaknesses that they will have to address -- and address SOON.

1) PSU D has to learn how to play Pry's pressure schemes without giving up long easy TDs. That is mostly on the safeties. Safeties are called safeties for a reason. The No. 1 reason football teams have safeties is to prevent long easy TDs.

2) LBers have great aggressiveness, but they need to get better reading and positional discipline. Difficult balance but they have to do it. A spectacular TFL means nothing if the following play you overcommit and get caught inside and give up a 50 yard gain right through the spot that you were responsible for.

3) The whole offense has to get used to the way defense are going to play them this year -- Iowa, Pitt, and to some degree USC have shown how to do it. You play safeties back, take away the deep ball, you pressure McSorley IN the pocket but focus on containment rather than sacks. When McSorley uses his legs he is probably the best QB in the Big Ten but if you take that part of his game away, he is the short QB who lacks an NFL arm. So even if people are free downfield he won't see them and if you get him backpedaling he won't be able to deliver the ball 50 yards downfield.

Funny to say this after a 579 yard performance, but I think the O has a ton of work to do. There will come a game (and maybe it's this week) when Barkley is not good for 300 yards of offense. PSU has to have more of a downfield passing game than they had Saturday. I think personnel wise they should be able to do it, but they need help from Moorhead and the coaches on scheme.

There are offensive scheme responses to the Iowa-Pitt type defensive approach. But I don't think Moorhead has gotten them installed yet. They need to do that soon.

Moorhead's whole thing is to take advantage of aggressive blitzing Ds like PSU saw last year. But last year is last year. This year everything will be different. The Iowa game should make that clear just how different things are going to be this year.

Indiana is a hell of a good team. They have scary players. They have a LOT more matchup advantages vs. PSU than Iowa did. Even at the Beav, this game scares me. PSU is going to have to really be sharp to beat them.

I think it would be more accurate to say they have a hell of a good passing offense. They rank in the mid 80 in sacks, mid 90s in tackles for loss, in the hundreds for rush defense, with a total defense ranking of 99. While their offense may challenge our defense, at a minimum, I think our offense will keep pace with them and, as the game wears on, I think our offense will pull away. Our defense will stymie their run game and adjust to an offense that will probably average 2 to 1 passing to running plays.
 
What kind of a comment is that? Why not actually discuss it? I'd like to hear what you think. You have good things to offer this board. It would be more interesting to discuss A) if Jones is right and B) if so, what does Moorhead do to adjust to the adjustment? Why make it personal?
I'd be happy to discuss it.
First off, Jones is HALF correct. Sure, there is a "template" out there to beat PSU, just like there is a "template" out there to beat every team in the nation. I've got a template to beat Clemson too: Pressure their young quarterback, put a spy on him to cover his scramble, and bracket their wide receiver to take away the deep fade which is the only pass they have, practically, as a go-to.
I've got a template to beat Oklahoma: Design your defense to bracket Mayfield, bracket Andrews, go man on the wide outs, and run blitz because they do not have a great running back.
I've got a template to beat Alabama. Stop Ridley with your best corner on man coverage, force Hurts to beat you with his arm, not his legs.

Now, let's cover what Moorhead can do: I think if we get Trace a few more options on those outlet passes, we can eliminate the batted passes. They all came from DE's that were taking outside angles along the line of scrimmage, anticipation sideline outlet throws. Have our outlets press back inside for those outlet passes, toward the middle of the field. Yes, the bubble screen can work also, even though it was blocked by Iowa, in more of an open field situation where there won't be the congestion. We can also keep Gesicki in, on occasions, to chip those DE's.
 
Allow me to add, that although you saw Fries get beaten a few times, I actually graded him out at a C, which, was two grades better than we had in the first half of that game in Iowa City. No, I am NOT criticizing either kid: 59 is a huge part of this team as a leader and a locker room guy, and is not finished on the field just yet, as he will remain a go-to player if we need him in a pinch, but the injuries have clearly been difficult to overcome. So, we let it play out. I'm not sure why Fries is being handed the keys for the rest of the season though, is there something we don't know about Big Bacon? He dressed for the game but didn't play, is that automatic "out for the season" status? It would be the first time I ever saw a kid dressed for a game and then out for the season the next week. No, Brenneman doesn't count, he was trying like hell and every day a new thing popped up. I'm hoping this isn't the case with Big Bacon.
 
And the "template" hasn't been successful with anyone not named USC in the last 14 games. And yes I understand that many teams play different defenses and our complete team seems to be able to adjust as necessary to create a W.
 
Maybe Indiana hasn't faced this good of a secondary. Don't say OSU. They've been torched by any team with pulse. Hell Baker Mayfield is the only guy challenging Barkley for the Heisman right now because of how he torched OSU.

And Baker Mayfield didn't have Barkley in his backfield to further challenge pass defenses.
 
A lot of fans didn't take Pitt seriously. Even more people here didn't take Iowa seriously. Vast majority not taking Indiana seriously. Whatever floats your boat, if you want this to be the Penn State is always great board, fine. But to me that's boring.

I'd rather talk Xs and Os. It's not magnifying weaknesses but I do find it more interesting to talk about what the actual matchups will be and what opposing teams will do -- and that is going to be determined by PSU's weaknesses, of which the coaches are much more aware than we. Just makes for more interesting discussions.

I could spend all day posting superlatives about Barkley but how can you say something that hasn't already been said 1000 times by people who are a lot more articulate than me?

Doesn't mean I don't appreciate every second Barkley's on the field. We will never see anything like him at Penn State, certainly not in my lifetime.
I certainly did not take Pitt seriously. Why not? Because they suck, and we beat them by 19. At no time, not for a second, were they ever in any danger of winning the game. Subsequent events prove I was right, and after they finish at 3-9 or 4-8, I'll be righter still.

Besides, who cares if the fans take an opponent seriously or not. Unless they want me to suit up, in which case they cannot be serious.
 
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Maybe not, but that doesn't mean there's a mismatch.
I'd actually say it's a good matchup between our Secondary and their WRs. They could light us up a few or many times, but we could give them fits as well. It'll be good competition.
But indiana's passing game is still only part of the game. And if we need to fear Indiana, when does the fear end? (I know you agree. I'm just responding here.)
PSU is taking every opponent seriously. And we all know PSU nearly blew it on Saturday. I like his posts but agree he's spending a lot of keystrokes worrying about fan attitude. If every week is the super bowl for the team and coaches, doesn't matter that we expect a cakewalk, in any game where we (fans) actually expect a cakewalk.
 
I hope we don't kill #26. We've got Indy then NW (away) before the bye. He took a beating Saturday night and I don't know how much that takes out of a kid over the long term. Again, we've got to stop making him run 25 yard gassers before trotting our offense on the field. I really believe this is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in football this year.

I wonder what the data is on giving a back that many carriers, whether the injury risk is higher. He didn't look tired. That performance was mind-boggling. I don't remember who made this point, but Barkley -- after 300 yards, in 80 degree-90-degree heat -- was still playing like he was fresh. Beyond belief.
 
I wonder what the data is on giving a back that many carriers, whether the injury risk is higher. He didn't look tired. That performance was mind-boggling. I don't remember who made this point, but Barkley -- after 300 yards, in 80 degree-90-degree heat -- was still playing like he was fresh. Beyond belief.
through 4 games Barkley is averaging 16.5 carries a game, which is not bad, and 6 catches.
He has had 1 game where he had a lot of touches, so I am not worried at this point.
 
I wonder what the data is on giving a back that many carriers, whether the injury risk is higher. He didn't look tired. That performance was mind-boggling. I don't remember who made this point, but Barkley -- after 300 yards, in 80 degree-90-degree heat -- was still playing like he was fresh. Beyond belief.
Well they didn't have him return the final and most important ko return of the night. So he was tired, hurt, of cjf had a complete change of heart.
 
So ignore me, please! Why do you have to be self appointed censor of everything you find insufficiently positive. In fact I love this team but I personally would rather talk about substance, and substance is well substance. I don't think it's negative at all. Teams have strengths and relative weaknesses and challenges to overcome. To me that's fun. To you apparently not.

Anyway I'll ignore you and plead for you to do the same with me and anybody else you view as always negative.
I have a hunch the coaching staff tends to look at virtually every opponent as a threat to derail a great season. Perhaps the close call will serve to bring any players who thought they were bullet proof back to earth. Upsets happen each and every week. It would be pure folly to think PSU is exempt.
 
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It is always a gift to get a game that re-grounds a team without it costing you an L.

PSU played great at Iowa City in many ways, but the game also exposed quite a few fairly big weaknesses that they will have to address -- and address SOON.

1) PSU D has to learn how to play Pry's pressure schemes without giving up long easy TDs. That is mostly on the safeties. Safeties are called safeties for a reason. The No. 1 reason football teams have safeties is to prevent long easy TDs.

2) LBers have great aggressiveness, but they need to get better reading and positional discipline. Difficult balance but they have to do it. A spectacular TFL means nothing if the following play you overcommit and get caught inside and give up a 50 yard gain right through the spot that you were responsible for.

3) The whole offense has to get used to the way defense are going to play them this year -- Iowa, Pitt, and to some degree USC have shown how to do it. You play safeties back, take away the deep ball, you pressure McSorley IN the pocket but focus on containment rather than sacks. When McSorley uses his legs he is probably the best QB in the Big Ten but if you take that part of his game away, he is the short QB who lacks an NFL arm. So even if people are free downfield he won't see them and if you get him backpedaling he won't be able to deliver the ball 50 yards downfield.

Funny to say this after a 579 yard performance, but I think the O has a ton of work to do. There will come a game (and maybe it's this week) when Barkley is not good for 300 yards of offense. PSU has to have more of a downfield passing game than they had Saturday. I think personnel wise they should be able to do it, but they need help from Moorhead and the coaches on scheme.

There are offensive scheme responses to the Iowa-Pitt type defensive approach. But I don't think Moorhead has gotten them installed yet. They need to do that soon.

Moorhead's whole thing is to take advantage of aggressive blitzing Ds like PSU saw last year. But last year is last year. This year everything will be different. The Iowa game should make that clear just how different things are going to be this year.

Indiana is a hell of a good team. They have scary players. They have a LOT more matchup advantages vs. PSU than Iowa did. Even at the Beav, this game scares me. PSU is going to have to really be sharp to beat them.

Well now. After reading this entire message string you can all rest easy. I was confident before Pitt. I was confident before Iowa. Thought we'd beat the spread on both games. However, I am not confident with Indiana. The moral of the story: I've never been right.

Also, I've watched Ahia State. Twice. Against Indiana and against OU. I would put our secondary up against Ahia's any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That is all. Have a nice day.
 
Honestly, I'm not nearly as worried about this game as I was about Iowa. No disrespect to Indiana. They have some weapons on offense and played the Buckeyes tough before crumbling in the second half.

But first -- we're at home. Second -- the overall scenario calls for an honest game on the part of the officials. Third -- Indiana is going to load up to stop Saquon, but the game plan is going to be very different from Iowa City. We're going to see a lot more guys doing damage on our side of the ball.

As for our defense, I don't see Indiana scoring 20 points.

One big wild card and Indiana's only hope: Did the emotions of the Iowa win drain the team and have them coming out flat? If so, it could be close. In fact, that's the only way it will be close.

But I don't think so. Make it Lions by 21 points -- possibly a lot more.
 
Well they didn't have him return the final and most important ko return of the night. So he was tired, hurt, of cjf had a complete change of heart.
It looked like he turned his ankle. He came back for the final series but I don't think the staff wanted to risk a KO return.

I'd expect the staff to keep him away from contact this week in practice.
 
This team had it's reality check against OSU last year, they are well grounded, week at a time, one game at a time mentality.
 
This is getting tiresome. It's like no one wants to discuss substance.

I'm almost about to give up on the board. I need a safe space to talk about football without all the psychoanalysis and just plain meanness.

I don't get personal with people, I try to be respectful. Just ignore me if you don't like it Mike.
I come in peace! I think you bring up valid points But it's the way you say it. It's like we are Akron and we are facing Alabama. Every game is lose able and different teams present challenges. PSU is not a perfect team by any standard but you would be better received if you stated concerns without making it seem we have no chance. I am sure our coaches have many of the same concerns but you do what you can with what you have......not fall on your sword.
 
I see Indiana much more of a threat Offensively but much less of a threat Defensively than Iowa.

I don't see PSU being flat.....but if they are, the home crowd will remedy that very quickly. As I said earlier, I'm happy we're not in Bloomington or Indy for this game.

I think McSorley plays better this week. And the one good point from this past week that has been overlooked is that our receivers only dropped one pass.....and that was a tough opportunity by Polk. I think this is the week the passing attack goes into high gear.

Special teams continue to be special except for our FG kicking, which I think we all took for granted after the outstanding year we had last year. That, perhaps more than anything, needs to be cleaned up now.

INDIANA INDIANA INDIANA
 
It looked like he turned his ankle. He came back for the final series but I don't think the staff wanted to risk a KO return.

I'd expect the staff to keep him away from contact this week in practice.


I would hope the staff to keep him away from contact EVERY week!
 
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