PSU is lightyears in front of pre-season expectations - plain & simple. That's a FACT that can't be denied, no matter how hard the posing-trolls try.

[fastlax16]

Look man, I'm trying to argue with you, but the last thing I'll say on the topic is that no one has ever said these words about Saban, dabo, or urban.

"If James makes it through the season with no bad losses that's an achievement based on past precedent."

I’ve heard similar comments made about Urban. He lost as a double digit favorite in each of his final four seasons. Plenty of buckeye fans were frustrated by it.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Yep…program went thru some relatively dark times. But it was built upon a record second to no one for 4 decades. That is the ceiling. We are paying to seek the ceiling again. You know, be elite. We are no where close and going the wrong way.

You have a poor understanding of CFB history and a worse understanding of the actual "pathway" to being elite.