Who was the last recruit PSU and Pitt went head to head for against one another? I cant remember.
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Who was the last recruit PSU and Pitt went head to head against one another? I cant remember.
Honestly? Damar Hamlin is probably the last true head-to-head battle that they beat us on. You could throw a couple other guys from that 2016 class into the mix, too - Aaron Mathews flipped to Pitt because they let him play WR, and we had to do some late legwork to keep Shaka Toney and Miles Sanders.Who was the last recruit PSU and Pitt went head to head for against one another? I cant remember.
It says a lot that I had to reach to name more than two guys in the past four cycles that Pitt truly threatened Penn State for, right?Sanders was never as interested in Pitt as the Lair guys believe. To this day they think the only reason he is here is because his mother pushed him here. The real story is that if we were going to lose him to anybody, it would have been Michigan State.
Agreed, but I would be more willing to go 1:1 with Temple because it is almost like playing two home games, because we have so many alumni in the Philly area.
Same here. Like I said earlier, I enjoy talking football with other fan bases as much as my own. You become more knowledgeable about the rest of the country.
I will say when I first started conversing online that I was surprised about how evil and hate-filled the rivalry had become in general. Maybe it was just my neighborhood, but growing up we had both Pitt and Penn State people on the street and enjoyed the games. It was more of a bragging rights thing. We weren’t bad to each other. There was no hatred; It was fun getting together and watching the games. It was the same way when we lived in the Ohio Valley and had Pitt and WVU fans on the same street.
It’s too bad some have created that reputation for us. Like I said earlier, just remember it’s the 10% of the base that’s the worst and, usually, the loudest. Then people think that they’re the rule, not the exception.
Did your fellow Pitt fans also discuss it when the 1976 tall tale was debunked? Probably not. Anyway, you seem like a good guy, but the average "internet Pitt fan" is not.Like I said, my experience is different than your’s or others’. The last time I’ve talked about it with fellow Pitt fans, in real life, was the report of the 1976 revelation. Then again, it was national news so everyone probably was.
Thank you for sharing this with me. I’ll make sure to cancel our Notre Dame trip.
In all seriousness, I love the Pitt/PSU series, but it’s not the be-all-end-all. If PSU was in the ACC, then yes. I’m excited to see what we can do in-conference. While you’re here, can you answer the question I asked in the Temple series thread? Does PSU usually do home/homes for “secondary” OOC game, besides a two-for-one? I found the Temple news interesting since I couldn’t find a precedent for it on Penn State’s past schedules.
Did your fellow Pitt fans also discuss it when the 1976 tall tale was debunked? Probably not. Anyway, you seem like a good guy, but the average "internet Pitt fan" is not.
Who was the last recruit PSU and Pitt went head to head for against one another? I cant remember.
How dare you use their own words against them! That’s like making them bleed their own blood...I made two posts there last fall. Neither post was even remotely contentious. The one that got me banned for life was in response to a post where the writer was bragging about how they "contained" a great running back. I replied,"now you are saying SB is a great back?" That was it!
All good points Mike. I’ve come to find out that you’re good when it comes to Devil’s Advocate I feel good about the defense. New DC (I believe Conklin was the problem), whole DL is coming back, Wirginis is back at ILB plus a preseason award candidate at OLB (a former walk-on no less), and a secondary that got better as the season went on.
- Wake won’t be a walk-over, but I feel confident that we should beat them. Their defense was 105th in the country, even worse than our’s. Maybe that’s a good thing they’re returning everyone Run defense was abysmal and that’s the one thing we’re good at, even at QB. Add to the fact that they would’ve had three of their last four games on the road and Clemson before that, and there may be some fatigue setting in as we come to town.
- North Carolina isn’t looking much better than last year and they’re in trouble with the NCAA again, possible suspensions coming. We play them early in the season so that may affect our matchup. This is the year we beat them.
- We beat Syracuse last year with better QB play. We now have that in Pickett. Add to the fact that we play them at home (a place we haven’t lose to Cuse since 2001) and we should beat them. Dungy is good, though. Absolutely torched us in 2016 with Ismael at WR.
- Duke was injured last year, but we were down as well and we still pulled out a win. We’re both still on the same level but we get them at home. I give the edge to us.
I think you need to take me more seriously. I predicted Pitt’s record last year. I think you might be looking at things with blue and gold glasses. I’m just trying to help. I actually enjoy fans like you because you’re the best to follow when reality hits
Not only does Pitt’s oline lack depth, it lacks talent and cohesion. Pitt has relied on that line for years to run the ball. You’re one of the few pitt fans who are not concerned. You’re relying on one starter in Bookser. A MAC player whose unit led the entire cfb in sacks allowed, a walk-on, and 2 guys who have played sparingly and were former DTs.
I complemented Bookster as a player. But it really takes a couple very good OLinemen and the rest being average to get the job done, especially with a young QB and less than average WR talent. Unfortunately Bookster can only play 1 OL position at a time.
Yes, Peterman had some success. But the development of QB's, being of utmost importance to actually winning games, is the responsibility of the head coach. Just can't let Duchie off the hook. The head coach is the lead recruiter for all recruits and saying a head coach is only responsible for the defense is not realistic, and if true a recipe for disaster. We like to quote Franklin's introduction speech where he said that it is easier to win with better players. In today's game talent at QB and the development of QB's should be the top priority for every head coach. At least it is for every successful head coach.
I realize Pickett played in multiple games. I said he only started 1 game, which is what I believe to be true.
When was it debunked? I honestly don’t know because I just don’t follow it. And yes, I’ve learned that over the years. The internet is a bit different than real life, unfortunately.
Wanted to respond to your WR comments with a PSU perspective. And also to compliment you as a poster. Glad to have to here.Narduzzi has served as the DC past 2015 when it started to go downhill with Conklin. He wanted to have a more hands-off approach and may do that this year with a new DC.
I wasn’t saying we have an advantage at OLB. Meant it more as a compliment to Idowu who was a walk-on to the Butkus Watchlist.
WR will be alright. Really wish Henderson stayed. The decision to leave early hurt him and us, though we’ll be fine because we have a guy who can replace his speed in the slot. Ffrench, Lopes, Matthews, and Tipton will be a good core. I’d feel better if the transfer from IU could play immediately, though. TE is a concern, but I don’t think it’ll be much worse than last year . Losing Reeves hurt, but there were some behind-the-scenes circumstances that didn’t give him much choice.
As for primetime, who knows. We’ve seen how they can play against top competition. I kinda hope the game isn’t Gameday or anything like that because I like our chances when there’s no expectations and they can just go out and play. And you’re telling about this weather. I live in Kansas City and I haven’t cut in a month because it’s just the same 100 degrees stuff everyday with no end in sight. It felt good when I came back into Pittsburgh for a week. It was 72 in the morning and, when I looked up the weather here, it was already 90
Even if you are willing to overlook some major issues with the logistics contained in the stories, an attorney for multiple Sandusky victim is quoted as saying the claims don't have merit.When was it debunked? I honestly don’t know because I just don’t follow it. And yes, I’ve learned that over the years. The internet is a bit different than real life, unfortunately.
Unless one or both of the programs has a major trajectory change, it is unlikely to be FSU/UF. Maybe it could rise to being UGA/GaTech (i.e. very one sided that UGA only sort of cares about).I think if it was played every year, it could be along the lines of the Georgia/Ga Tech series or UF/FSU.
Again, I just go off of what I read on the news or newspaper. I don’t follow it that much; I don’t follow it at all today. Then again, most people probably do that.
If things are being distorted than it’s too bad because I don’t think it’ll change anytime soon. They hear “Penn State” and will immediately agree with what they read because of what happened. Especially dangerous in the “fake news” era. I don’t have sympathy for the school or program but I do have sympathy for the fans and alums who had nothing to do with it that will forever be linked to that. Trust me, I learned that first hand when we lived in Steubenville when the rape case went down. People still to this day bring it up when I mention the town I loved and lived in for many years. It’s sad, but it’s reality.
When was it debunked? I honestly don’t know because I just don’t follow it. And yes, I’ve learned that over the years. The internet is a bit different than real life, unfortunately.
Appreciate the kind words. To be honest, I don’t think it serves much purpose comparing players by ratings. I think PSU beats Pitt in that category across the board. Obviously Penn State will be favored coming in, as they should be.
Our defense will be much improved from last year. I know Penn State’s line was also highly rated in high school, but it seems that they lost a few people from last year. Add to it that Barkley is gone (who we did a good job containing) and I feel like we can stop the run again with a more experienced line. We have to do that if we want to win. Passing will be something else. Hoping an improved secondary can keep it respectable. Defense will have to live up to the hype if we want to win, because the offense may struggle a bit.
As for the offensive side of the ball, the passing game struggled last year against Miami in Pickett’s first start. Running kept us in it. Hopefully we can get it goung which will allow the air to open up a bit.
I only think the game has a chance at gameday since 1) it’s already primetime on ABC and 2) there’s not too many other premier games that day. We’ll see.
Ratings aren't perfect, but in lieu of a detailed analysis of the playing experience and development of each player, it's about the best we can do as lay people. We agree that PSU's players were much more highly rated across the board, and I think it's only rational to extend that to say that PSU is a more talented, more athletic team. And for the first time in awhile, deep and experienced despite losing some very special skill players.Appreciate the kind words. To be honest, I don’t think it serves much purpose comparing players by ratings. I think PSU beats Pitt in that category across the board. Obviously Penn State will be favored coming in, as they should be.
Our defense will be much improved from last year. I know Penn State’s line was also highly rated in high school, but it seems that they lost a few people from last year. Add to it that Barkley is gone (who we did a good job containing) and I feel like we can stop the run again with a more experienced line. We have to do that if we want to win. Passing will be something else. Hoping an improved secondary can keep it respectable. Defense will have to live up to the hype if we want to win, because the offense may struggle a bit.
As for the offensive side of the ball, the passing game struggled last year against Miami in Pickett’s first start. Running kept us in it. Hopefully we can get it goung which will allow the air to open up a bit.
I only think the game has a chance at gameday since 1) it’s already primetime on ABC and 2) there’s not too many other premier games that day. We’ll see.
To be honest, I don’t think it serves much purpose comparing players by ratings.
Barkley had less yards rushing against Georgia St, Indiana, Rutgres, OSU, Northwestern, Michigan state and Maryland than he did against Pitt.By containing, I meant in the running game. I think it’s unfair to average the two games together because in 2016 he had four TDs. We did a much better job in 2017. He had under 100 yards and only one TD. I’d say he did more damage to us in the passing game. That’s where he really hurt because just when we stopped him on the ground, he tore us apart out of the backfield.
By containing, I meant in the running game. I think it’s unfair to average the two games together because in 2016 he had four TDs. We did a much better job in 2017. He had under 100 yards and only one TD. I’d say he did more damage to us in the passing game. That’s where he really hurt because just when we stopped him on the ground, he tore us apart out of the backfield.
Once we get a few pages in it gets boring, and becomes more fun to talk about why PSU is a better team. For me, anyway. Can someone go over to the Lair and grab a couple quotes for the "darnedest things" thread? Then when Duzz does the next douchey thing we can have another go at him in a separate thread.Can we get back to insulting Narduzzi?
I agree that the exceptions to ratings make 1:1 comparison meaningless. But to defend myself (not that I think you're attacking me) if you compare Pitt's WR corps to PSU's secondary corps, it's an average of 5.5 to 5.8. That's meaningful, especially when ours on average have an additional year of experience over theirs. We can all agree, though, that PSU is putting better athletes and better football players on the field compared to Pitt. It's not close. I'll stop crying about it nowI kind of agree with this. Our Heisman candidate QB was a 5.6, 3 star rated ATHLETE (not QB). Our all time leading receiver was a 5.7, 3 star who passed a former walkon for the record. Our top linebacker last year was a 5.5, 3 star. Haley - 5.6, Allen - 5.6, etc.
I do think you can use overall class ratings or team ratings as a predictor. But once you start to get down to one on one, it's virtually worthless.
Hmm he had like 7 TD's in 2 games avg. averaged 5 ypc and had 6 rec. for 90 yards. But if you say you did a good job "containing" him ok.
Ok but he still had 14 carries for 88 yards.
JMO but its probably more accurate to say Trace just had more weapons available.
For what its worth both Indy and Rutgers probably did a better job "containing" him but then if you shadow him with your entire LB'r crew that might happen.
Honestly? Damar Hamlin is probably the last true head-to-head battle that they beat us on. You could throw a couple other guys from that 2016 class into the mix, too - Aaron Mathews flipped to Pitt because they let him play WR, and we had to do some late legwork to keep Shaka Toney and Miles Sanders.
On the other hand, there have been a whole bunch of guys that we’ve landed in 2017, 2018, and 2019 that Pitt pushed hard for. Most of them didn’t seriously consider Pitt.
Our starting DT (Givens) and possible starting TE (Bowers) were flipped from pitt towards the end of that cycle (2015). That was before CJF really got it going in building relationships with the top talent in his recruiting area. Today, that is much more unlikely to happen. Both likely would not even get offers now that CJF has upped his game, as evidenced by the limited PA offers for 2019...
My favorite Pat story is when he found out that Cam Brown was favoring PSU and choose not to take a summer camp visit to Pitt . He then called him and his mother to tell them that PSU wasn't safe for any parent to let their child go to school and that Franklin was almost guaranteed to be out at the end of the year. Coach Franklin and the staff at PSU as you can assume was livid about it. What really pissed them off even more is when later that summer they found out it was a continued pitch by Pat and some other members of his staff with other mutual targets.
And this is? I'm guessing it's somewhere in Oakland but please drop a hint.