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AND NOW, this 19th day of December, 2014, the Application to File under Seal is GRANTED, and the Petition for Review is DENIED.

This Court notes that, per the opinion of the Supervising Judge William R. Carpenter, the purpose of the protective order, entered per the authority of 18 Pa.C.S. § 4954, “was/is to prevent the intimidation, obstruction and/or retaliation, in the ordinary sense of those words . . . . [and] was never intended to prevent the [Office of Attorney General] from carrying out its constitutional duties.” Opinion, dated 12/12/2014, at 10- 11. Additionally, as explained by Judge Carpenter, the protective order “is not intended to restrict or impact ‘appropriate public [disclosure]’ of information connected with the possession and/or distribution of possibly pornographic images by members of the [Office of Attorney General].” Id. at 11. UNSEALED PER ORDER OF THE COURT DATED AUGUST 18, 2015 171 MM 2014 - 2

Mr. Justice Stevens notes his Dissent and would grant relief to the OAG in the Application except for that portion that relates to witness intimidation and would direct that this Order be filed in the normal course of Court business and publically available.

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/171MM2014Orders.pdf
 
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AND NOW, this 19th day of December, 2014, the Application to File under Seal is GRANTED, and the Petition for Review is DENIED.

This Court notes that, per the opinion of the Supervising Judge William R. Carpenter, the purpose of the protective order, entered per the authority of 18 Pa.C.S. § 4954, “was/is to prevent the intimidation, obstruction and/or retaliation, in the ordinary sense of those words . . . . [and] was never intended to prevent the [Office of Attorney General] from carrying out its constitutional duties.” Opinion, dated 12/12/2014, at 10- 11. Additionally, as explained by Judge Carpenter, the protective order “is not intended to restrict or impact ‘appropriate public [disclosure]’ of information connected with the possession and/or distribution of possibly pornographic images by members of the [Office of Attorney General].” Id. at 11. UNSEALED PER ORDER OF THE COURT DATED AUGUST 18, 2015 171 MM 2014 - 2

Mr. Justice Stevens notes his Dissent and would grant relief to the OAG in the Application except for that portion that relates to witness intimidation and would direct that this Order be filed in the normal course of Court business and publically available.

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/171MM2014Orders.pdf
What are your thoughts on this, ChiTown?
 
The 2014 orders would indicate that nothing prohibited Kathleen Kane from releasing Fina & Crew's #PornGate emails. There's all kinds of speculation as to the reasons why Kane has not released the emails, but I've yet to see anyone make sense of the mess quite yet. Lots of people pretending to know, but mostly unsupported innuendo and political posturing. Hopefully we'll get some clarity on the matter soon.

In any event, just saw this AP story by Mark Scolforo...

Kane indicates she will reveal more about porn email scandal

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HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - Attorney General Kathleen Kane's defense lawyer says she'll likely go public with new details about a pornographic email scandal as she fights criminal charges.

She responded after the state Supreme Court on Tuesday released orders from late last year that suggest there may be no barrier to the additional disclosure of emails.

Defense lawyer Gerald Shargel says the emails and attached images are critical to her efforts to prove she's innocent of perjury, obstruction and the other charges.

He says the material will contradict prosecutors' description of her alleged motive.

The justices say a county judge's protective order wasn't intended to prevent Kane from making "appropriate public disclosure" of information connected with the email scandal.

link: http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=ciESgY2Y
 
The 2014 orders would indicate that nothing prohibited Kathleen Kane from releasing Fina & Crew's #PornGate emails. There's all kinds of speculation as to the reasons why Kane has not released the emails, but I've yet to see anyone make sense of the mess quite yet. Lots of people pretending to know, but mostly unsupported innuendo and political posturing. Hopefully we'll get some clarity on the matter soon.

In any event, just saw this AP story by Mark Scolforo...

Kane indicates she will reveal more about porn email scandal

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HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - Attorney General Kathleen Kane's defense lawyer says she'll likely go public with new details about a pornographic email scandal as she fights criminal charges.

She responded after the state Supreme Court on Tuesday released orders from late last year that suggest there may be no barrier to the additional disclosure of emails.

Defense lawyer Gerald Shargel says the emails and attached images are critical to her efforts to prove she's innocent of perjury, obstruction and the other charges.

He says the material will contradict prosecutors' description of her alleged motive.

The justices say a county judge's protective order wasn't intended to prevent Kane from making "appropriate public disclosure" of information connected with the email scandal.

link: http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=ciESgY2Y
Seems pretty clear to me, judging by the language used, the boys are hoping to bait her into a scenario.
Basically, release the docs. Then the PR machine goes to work.....telling the story of how the release is vindictive and designed to intimidate and retaliate.
I wouldn't be surprise if the appropriate stories are all set for printing by the Inky,

But, we shall see
 
Seems pretty clear to me, judging by the language used, the boys are hoping to bait her into a scenario.
Basically, release the docs. Then the PR machine goes to work.....telling the story of how the release is vindictive and designed to intimidate and retaliate.
I wouldn't be surprise if the appropriate stories are all set for printing by the Inky,

But, we shall see

what kind of irresponsible a$$hole would pre-write a report, then drop it on the public without fact checking it??

besides Freeh and Frazier . . .
 
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Hope you're right, bjf.

Of course, the pro-Fina crowd is trying desperately to plant rumors that Kane won't release the emails because they would somehow implicate her and a family member for violations of morality. Of course, the most persistent seed-planter is none other than @RyanBagsemwell (aka, "Steve Kidding/Steve Kidd").

Hard to know if his info is bulls#it or legit, but he's historically defended Frank Fina like a brother (or sister).

Regardless, even if Kane's hiding some stains, we need to expose Fina -- and I suspect that the emails just might do it.
 
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Seems pretty clear to me, judging by the language used, the boys are hoping to bait her into a scenario.
Basically, release the docs. Then the PR machine goes to work.....telling the story of how the release is vindictive and designed to intimidate and retaliate.
I wouldn't be surprise if the appropriate stories are all set for printing by the Inky,

But, we shall see
So a few days ago when Carpenter said the order didn't prevent her from releasing the emails it was an attempt to bait her into violating the law.

Now that there's proof Kane could have released them long ago, which several posters got hammered for pointing out, it's a PR plot to make her look vengeful?

Kane fired someone who gave damaging testimony to the GJ months ago and has a hearing scheduled to determine if she violated the order. Nobody needs to set her up, she does to herself.
 
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So a few days ago when Carpenter said the order didn't prevent her from releasing the emails it was an attempt to bait her into violating the law.

Now that there's proof Kane could have released them long ago, which several posters got hammered for pointing out, it's a PR plot to make her look vengeful?

Kane fired someone who gave damaging testimony to the GJ months ago and has a hearing scheduled to determine if she violated the order. Nobody needs to set her up, she does to herself.
It is a valid question to ask why she seems to have been less than forthright herself. Fina and Kane are flip sides of the same coin. They play in the same dirty, corrupt sandbox.
 
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It is a valid question to ask why she seems to have been less than forthright herself. Fina and Kane are flip sides of the same coin. They play in the same dirty, corrupt sandbox.
Thank you. I'm not sure why more people can't see this.

Like I said before, it would be great if they both lose their careers over this.

This ridiculous game of gotcha is funded by taxpayers. A huge waste of time and money.
 
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Always good to see what Jimmy's thinking.

I slightly suspect that @RyanBagsemwell might be right about Kane wanting to keep certain skeletons out of the public spotlight.

At the same time, I think it's quickly becoming quite clear that she needs to show her hand of cards now.

Worst-case scenario: The pain of showing those cards hurts Kane worse than being removed from office. In that scenario, Fina comes out looking like Tarzan and PA remains the cesspool of corruption that allows guys like JVP to be held responsible for the crimes of Jerry Sandusky.
 
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No matter what side of the fence you are on, this is one F'ed up state.


Yes where Judges have vodka bottles roll out in Court from under robes, take money to send people to cronies institutions, fall asleep on the Bench, and where they can cavort around in public without their pants on.
 
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All we should ask is that all the facts get put on the table so we can let the chips fall as they may.

If the truth takes down Kane, Fina or whomever, let it come out.

We can handle the truth.
 
All we should ask is that all the facts get put on the table so we can let the chips fall as they may.

If the truth takes down Kane, Fina or whomever, let it come out.

We can handle the truth.
Yep. Kane was naive and didn't understand how dirty it is in Harrisburg. Now she knows. She has said the charges against her were politically motivated because she outed the porndogs. Now she has to put up or shut up no matter who gets caught in the muddy crossfire.
 
So a few days ago when Carpenter said the order didn't prevent her from releasing the emails it was an attempt to bait her into violating the law.

Now that there's proof Kane could have released them long ago, which several posters got hammered for pointing out, it's a PR plot to make her look vengeful?

Kane fired someone who gave damaging testimony to the GJ months ago and has a hearing scheduled to determine if she violated the order. Nobody needs to set her up, she does to herself.
Hey LT......I see you STILL haven't addressed the issue of those "slam dunk" Bribery charges.

LMAO

th
 
Hey LT......I see you STILL haven't addressed the issue of those "slam dunk" Bribery charges.

LMAO

th
What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.
 
What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.


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What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.
What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.
 
What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.

You keep coming back to these "slam dunk" bribery cases.

So....let me put it to you once again Mr L.T:

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"THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! They took the bribes, period. There's no way around it." L. T Young

So....in this grand-slam case that Fina and WIlliams had.....where, as you claim THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! THEY TOOK THE BRIBES, PERIOD. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT!!!

How many bribery convictions did that crack prosecution team of Fina and WIlliams come up with?

Let me clue you in......its a number that only Chuck Norris can divide by.
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Riddle me that, Batman!

Until you can explain that.........

th


But for now......
th
 
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What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.

The question was, which you have STILL refused to answer, if the case was such a slam dunk why didn't Fina prosecute it himself when he was at the OAG instead of letting it wither on the vine for 18+months?
 
You keep coming back to these "slam dunk" bribery cases.

So....let me put it to you once again Mr L.T:

____________________

"THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! They took the bribes, period. There's no way around it." L. T Young

So....in this grand-slam case that Fina and WIlliams had.....where, as you claim THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! THEY TOOK THE BRIBES, PERIOD. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT!!!

How many bribery convictions did that crack prosecution team of Fina and WIlliams come up with?

Let me clue you in......its a number that only Chuck Norris can divide by.
___________________
Riddle me that, Batman!

Until you can explain that.........

th


But for now......
th
Are you retarded?

The AG spent months attacking the case publicly and Williams still got them to plead guilty to a charge that ended their careers.

You're part of the free Jerry brigade that goes on and on about how a leaked GJP made it impossible for him to get a fair trial.

What do you think an AG publicly attacking a case, lying about evidence of impropriety, and stalling the transfer of evidence does to a prosecution?

None of that had any impact, right?

How about the fact she had it sealed without turning over any evidence to the State Ethics Commission? But she wasn't looking out for her political interests.

And in case you missed it, Kane just got caught lying again. Last Wednesday she was called out by multiple people about the protective order not preventing the release of the emails. They pointed out she has fought the release of emails using different arguments.

But of course you thought they were lying. It was part of some nefarious plot to get her to violate the protective order. You totally ignored the fact she was already facing a hearing for violating the very same order in a far more blatant way.

Keep backing her plays and creating fiction to justify her actions.
 
Are you retarded?

The AG spent months attacking the case publicly and Williams still got them to plead guilty to a charge that ended their careers.

You're part of the free Jerry brigade that goes on and on about how a leaked GJP made it impossible for him to get a fair trial.

What do you think an AG publicly attacking a case, lying about evidence of impropriety, and stalling the transfer of evidence does to a prosecution?

None of that had any impact, right?

How about the fact she had it sealed without turning over any evidence to the State Ethics Commission? But she wasn't looking out for her political interests.

And in case you missed it, Kane just got caught lying again. Last Wednesday she was called out by multiple people about the protective order not preventing the release of the emails. They pointed out she has fought the release of emails using different arguments.

But of course you thought they were lying. It was part of some nefarious plot to get her to violate the protective order. You totally ignored the fact she was already facing a hearing for violating the very same order in a far more blatant way.

Keep backing her plays and creating fiction to justify her actions.


What is your exact problem with Kane? And don't regurgitate that repetitive Penn Live garbage you've been handing out.

What's your problem?
 
Are you retarded?

The AG spent months attacking the case publicly and Williams still got them to plead guilty to a charge that ended their careers.

You're part of the free Jerry brigade that goes on and on about how a leaked GJP made it impossible for him to get a fair trial.

What do you think an AG publicly attacking a case, lying about evidence of impropriety, and stalling the transfer of evidence does to a prosecution?

None of that had any impact, right?

How about the fact she had it sealed without turning over any evidence to the State Ethics Commission? But she wasn't looking out for her political interests.

And in case you missed it, Kane just got caught lying again. Last Wednesday she was called out by multiple people about the protective order not preventing the release of the emails. They pointed out she has fought the release of emails using different arguments.

But of course you thought they were lying. It was part of some nefarious plot to get her to violate the protective order. You totally ignored the fact she was already facing a hearing for violating the very same order in a far more blatant way.

Keep backing her plays and creating fiction to justify her actions.

Warning ^^^^^^^^^Old Guard BOT boot-licker and browneye scrubber^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
The question was, which you have STILL refused to answer, if the case was such a slam dunk why didn't Fina prosecute it himself when he was at the OAG instead of letting it wither on the vine for 18+months?
He wanted to make a bigger case and it never materialized. He waited as long as he could and finally gave Ali his deal.

I never said it was good deal for the commonwealth. I highly doubt Fina planned on getting such small fish when the sting was conceived.

That doesn't mean there wasn't enough evidence to convict those they caught.

Now answer this question, if the case was truly flawed why did Kane outright lie about evidence that didn't exist?
 
He wanted to make a bigger case and it never materialized. He waited as long as he could and finally gave Ali his deal.

I never said it was good deal for the commonwealth. I highly doubt Fina planned on getting such small fish when the sting was conceived.

That doesn't mean there wasn't enough evidence to convict those they caught.

Now answer this question, if the case was truly flawed why did Kane outright lie about evidence that didn't exist?


Who said she lied? Or is that your opinion blowing out of your ass? What is your problem?
 
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Are you retarded?

The AG spent months attacking the case publicly and Williams still got them to plead guilty to a charge that ended their careers.

You're part of the free Jerry brigade that goes on and on about how a leaked GJP made it impossible for him to get a fair trial.

What do you think an AG publicly attacking a case, lying about evidence of impropriety, and stalling the transfer of evidence does to a prosecution?

None of that had any impact, right?

How about the fact she had it sealed without turning over any evidence to the State Ethics Commission? But she wasn't looking out for her political interests.

And in case you missed it, Kane just got caught lying again. Last Wednesday she was called out by multiple people about the protective order not preventing the release of the emails. They pointed out she has fought the release of emails using different arguments.

But of course you thought they were lying. It was part of some nefarious plot to get her to violate the protective order. You totally ignored the fact she was already facing a hearing for violating the very same order in a far more blatant way.

Keep backing her plays and creating fiction to justify her actions.

I don't know who anyone could be more wrong than CR/CDW/AK......but you sure are making a run for it.

Congratulations!!!!

From here on out....this is all you get!

th
 
What the hell are you even talking about?

Kane did everything in her power to undermine that case and Williams still got them to plead guilty and resign their positions.

Things you can't deny:

Kane lied about having a sworn affidavit from the case agent that there was racial targeting in the sting.

Kane lied when she claimed she had turned evidence of lawmakers accepting bribes over to the State Ethics Commission.

After Kane invited Seth Williams to prosecute the sting case she repeatedly stalled turning over evidence so he could do so.

They had tapes with lawmakers accepting bribes. That makes the informant's character completely irrelevant in the prosecution of the case.

Anyone that objectively looks at her actions can see she didn't agree with giving Ali a free ride and decided she wasn't going to burn members of her own party.

Here's a couple of other facts:

Kane lied when she said the protective order prevented her from releasing emails.

Kane fired someone who provided damaging testimony to the grand jury and is facing a hearing to determine whether or not she violated Carpenter's protective order.

You literally couldn't pick a worse person to back if you tried.

I try be open-minded and respectful to anyone who offers a supported opinion (including CR66), but your attacks on WeR0206 showed you to be the true fool. WeR is light years ahead of you in his command, comprehension and accumulation of knowledge.

It's clear as day to any politically neutral observer that the Philly papers are nothing but a mouthpiece for Frank Fina and his boy Seth Williams (whose #1 career ambition is to brown-nose enough #PSUBuTTs to become PSU President).

This whole debate about the Ali case is an absolute disgrace. I'm on my mobile right now, but if you really want to get into it, there's 1,001 reasons why you'd be a fool to blame Kane for not following through on Fina's failures. He SINGLE-HANDEDLY made the case unprosecutable and pointless.

For the record, I'm not necessarily #TeamKane, per se, but I thank God that Tom Corbett and Linda Kelly are out of office. The great state(/commonwealth) of Pennsylvania deserves better than the abuses of power perpetuated by Frank Fina & Co.

Kane may go down in this whole ordeal, but you better bet that she's taking your boy Frank Fina down with her. And the good people of PA will suddenly start feeling a little more "American."
 
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Seth and Fina..stick them both where the sun doesn't shine. Also the fired turd. It's all BS. And I've been keeping it non-political, but I'm a Republican by the way. Swallow the lies. They're imbecilic.
 
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Seth and Fina..stick them both where the sun doesn't shine. Also the fired turd. It's all BS. And I've been keeping it non-political, but I'm a Republican by the way. Swallow the lies. They're imbecilic.

I'm a registered Republican as well ralpieE, but there is no doubt that there is a very bad stench coming from the GOP Kingpins in Hershey and Montgomery Co......and their political toadies and minions like the disgraceful coward supposedly representing Centre County and selling his constituents down the river out of pure unmitigated self-interest and political expediency, Judas Jake Corman.
 
I'm a registered Republican as well ralpieE, but there is no doubt that there is a very bad stench coming from the GOP Kingpins in Hershey and Montgomery Co......and their political toadies and minions like the disgraceful coward supposedly representing Centre County and selling his constituents down the river out of pure unmitigated self-interest and political expediency, Judas Jake Corman.


She isn't whiffing their rectums and they don't like it. Plus some of their pals already went down. That crap LT linked is all Penn Live/Jacobs BS and he's parroting the drivel.
 
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