The NAACP lawyer tried to sue the city for $900K for racism for a client a few years ago until the case was tossed. I'm sure there are a lot of politics in play here.
OT: York golf club owner calls cops on black female members for playing too slow
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Are you kidding me?
The current statement strongly suggests that the group of ladies was at fault. Yesterday's statement was all about being sorry for their discomfort and how the club was reaching out to them. If you don't see the 180 going on here, you're blind.
I think racism is still a serious problem in this country. Only an idiot or someone with an obvious agenda would say otherwise.
I don't think every incident between people of different races involves racism.
Was this about race? I wasn't there, so I don't know.
I don't think every incident between people of different races involves racism.
Was this about race? I wasn't there, so I don't know.
We have pretty much discerned that the reporting on this matter is very sketchy yet you have formed extraordinarily strong opinions. Good for you!
If you think that I have never been treated improperly by a PROPRIETOR of a business establishment (including a golf course, McDonald's, Starbuck's and, more importantly, dozens of pubs), then you are a walking, talking fool. I have always attributed these altercations to an anti-Polish sentiment at these joints but I just cannot get any traction with that since I'm a man and "Pollacks" are considered "white" (at least, by most people and the Census folks). LOL!!!!
My grandfather was born in 1915 and left school after the 8th grade. It wasn't because of the Great Depression but rather because that's what people did in my area back then if they had no aspirations to higher education. He worked on his family's farm until he was married and could buy a farm of his own. Afterward he worked his own farm and also worked in coal mines. It was a seven day a week life working and raising his family. He worked his ass off but never became anything close to rich or famous. Never complained. I can guarantee he never heard of white privilege. He'd have had a good laugh if someone told him about all the tools he had in his invisible knapsack which allowed him to achieve the very modest life he earned for himself.
I told you what would cause me to change my perspective. Serve it up. Until you do, it remains the case that these slow players waited over 20 minutes at the tee for the cops and nobody came forward to play through. If so, i guess they were playing pretty fast. So, why cops?
So, when you are treated badly, it is discrimination based on your heritage, but not them? Lol. Got it.
You think that the first statement is 180 degrees from the second statement. Here they are.
Statement 1 “In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states,” JJ Chronister told the York Daily Record. “In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution.”
Statement 2 "Grandview currently has 2,400 members. In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states. In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution."
Deg - I like your contributions (for the most part, LOL) but you are the king of the "straw man" argument. I'm not going on a research mission for you. God Bless You!
Please answer me this question: Do you think the video and reporting (at this time in history) reflect the FULL story?
That’s his m.o. I remember when he was 100% taken in by Marilyn Moseby’s hysterics. Lol.
Where are the golfers who say they were held up by the slow play of the 5 some?
This is all FAKE NEWS!
We all know that there aren’t five black women golfers in the entire United States!
We all know that there aren’t five black women golfers in the entire United States!
How silly of your grandfather, he should have just played his white privilege card. I wish I would have known about it before I spent thousands of dollars on student loans, spent hours and hours studying to get an education, worked until 2 in the morning and then got up for 8:00 classes to help pay for school, and then worked for less than minimum wage when I first got employed and tried to support my family. I wish I would have known about my white privilege card at the time...I could have sat around watching cartoons in my underwear every day and still reached the same level I’m at now.
A five-some is as rare as a black squirrel. A lady five-some is as rare as a white elephant. A black-lady five-some is a unicorn.
All are slow.
Most clubs I know of in the NE will allow 5 after labor day w/ the Pro's approval. I've done it before w/ no problems. Not ever in the middle of the season though. Same w/ here in FL. You'd get laughed out of the golf shop for suggesting it.
Well, dem, let's take a trip into the "WAYBACK MACHINE". In the early '90s, I was working on a major construction project in the former Soviet Union. I was coming home on a Pan Am flight and was lucky enough to get bumped from Business to First class on the flight from Moscow to NYC. When I boarded, I turned left to get to the first class cabin. The (white male) flight attendant told 28 year old Ziggy: "this is the first class cabin" and he pointed to the rear of the plane. In my heart, I thought to myself: "what a dick" but I politely showed him my boarding pass and, after examining it to see if it was a fake, he allowed me to proceed to my seat.
I didn't think much of this until i arrived in NYC and got my hands on a newspaper. I learned that Charles Barkley had a similar experience at the same time on an airplane in the USA where he had a first class ticket and was pointed to the other area of the plane. Charles called racism and got a front page article in the USA Today. I ignored the ignoramus flight attendant, got hammered and took a nap in the front end of a 747 on my way home from a grueling business trip. I don't need to cry foul when minor annoyances occur in my life dem, you should stop crying foul when they happen 200 miles from your home.
Oh, youre a hero! Lol. What a painful experience! You must be very proud to remember it so well!
So it should be easy to find the people whose fun was ruined by their sluggishness. Where are they?
I knew you would completely miss the point. The point was that the same incident caused another man of my age to DROP the race card.
At the time, the most persuasive point was that there was nobody behind them to complain. I stated that on the surface, their complaint looked legitimate.
In light of the Golf Course's most recent statement to Golf Digest, I have a couple of thoughts.
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""Grandview currently has 2,400 members. In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states. In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution."
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First, I see no real dispute from the Golf Course contradicting the women's statement that there was no one behind them. However, it is possible that the Golf Course is a real stickler about stopping slow play. If that is the case, there should be multiple instances of the Course, kicking off all sorts of people who are playing slow. (One of the really irritating aspects of playing golf are all of the rude, clueless dufusses who play slowly and know nothing about golf etiquette.)
Second, I would like to know how long it took them to play 9 holes. If, for instance, it took them 3 hours, then the golf course has a defensible position.
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""Grandview currently has 2,400 members. In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states. In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution."
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First, I see no real dispute from the Golf Course contradicting the women's statement that there was no one behind them. However, it is possible that the Golf Course is a real stickler about stopping slow play. If that is the case, there should be multiple instances of the Course, kicking off all sorts of people who are playing slow. (One of the really irritating aspects of playing golf are all of the rude, clueless dufusses who play slowly and know nothing about golf etiquette.)
Second, I would like to know how long it took them to play 9 holes. If, for instance, it took them 3 hours, then the golf course has a defensible position.
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I don’t think you get to post bond when you go to jail for violating your parole.
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He was released from serving time for violating parole. His bail pertains to the underlying weapons charges.
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STOP!!!! The last thing we need is someone asking a real question and expecting a real answer. Sheeeeeesh.
BTW, whoever approved the 5-some is cooked. If they did it on their own, they can kiss their asses adios at that club.
btw, whenever i try hitting balls into the offending miscreants I'm typically quite not so good at it. But man oh man, I sure wish I were!
Before Memorial Day and after Labor Day, when my course is not as crowded, it’s not that unusual to see an occasional fivesome out in the course.
When it happens, it’s often a twosome catching up to a threesome and instead of playing thru, they join up. Or a single joining a foursome in mid-round.
As long as the players play “ready golf” and are aware of their pace of play, it’s not that big a deal.
When it happens, it’s often a twosome catching up to a threesome and instead of playing thru, they join up. Or a single joining a foursome in mid-round.
As long as the players play “ready golf” and are aware of their pace of play, it’s not that big a deal.
No. Thats why i am still asking questions. But you told me that certain groups MAY be playing the race card. Where is your evidence for that? The Charles Barkley story?
I think the daughter in law gets what happened. She knows better than us what kind of a holes we are talking about. She knows you cant call the cops on your customers and grow your business. Who was drinking? How many other times have they called the cops for slow play? Where are the complaining golfers?
Is it true that 3 of the 5 dropped out after 9 holes? If so, why not let the other 2 finish?
When they called the cops, they changed the situation. THEY chose to do that and their own family member called them out for it. Gotta be a reason why.
So the Chronisters called the police? Because the daughter in law, JJ Chronister, said WE CALLED THE POLICE. The owners were playing the course right behind the women?
It says they refused to leave the course. So cops were called because they refused to leave not because they were to slow.
I don't see how this had anything to do with racism.
I don't see how this had anything to do with racism.
What you are calling statement 1 wasn't the first. The first statement was the one that I quoted by JJ Chronister, where she said she reached out to the players. As the original article stated, she later issued the statement that you called statement 1.
From the article:
JJ Chronister issued a second statement to the paper on Monday to explain why the police were even called in the first place, saying the group had violated their rules listed on the club’s scorecard.
“In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states,” JJ Chronister told the York Daily Record. “In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution.”
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They have the phone number of the men behind them as a witness. They said they would give said number to a local reporter. Then they back tracked. That smells funny.
That being said that situation racial /non racial was handled in a totally terrible manner
Have you got a link? This stuff about the people behind them is interesting. Since @LionDeNittany says THEY are the ones who called the cops, you'd think the cops already know how to get in touch with them.
Normally, it is an accepted courtesy at most courses that a slow foursome in front of a faster group would allow the faster group to play through. Allowing groups to play through is a normal thing. Not sure if this was offered by the slower group. If not, it should have been.
This hole thing seems a little childish. Let the damned following group play through!
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