OT: Have you changed habits or plans due to runaway inflation, record gas prices, or collapsing stock market?

Have you changed habits or plans?

  • No. Same standard of living. I'm fine.

    Votes: 29 28.4%
  • No. Same standard of living, but taking a financial hit to do so.

    Votes: 18 17.6%
  • No. Same standard of living but running up debt to make it happen.

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Yes, somewhat tightened the belt.

    Votes: 26 25.5%
  • Yes, playing it cautious until things calm down.

    Votes: 25 24.5%
  • Yes, I've experienced significant negative changes in how I live

    Votes: 8 7.8%

  • Total voters
    102

BUFFALO LION

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I don't have to wait two years for a new car but I'm not driving a Camry. Screw that. It's a second vehicle I can wait to buy something I want.

The Chrysler salesmen that bitched to you are either idiots or you made it up. Chrysler has 2 vehicles. 2 and neither all that affordable. The 300 starts at 34 and jumps into the 40s pretty quickly with options and then the Pacifica which starts at 37. If you work for a brand that makes two vehicles, neither of which is desirable then I can see that not being a great work experience.

American cars are hard to find because American car companies have gone all in on SUVs. Outside of Cadillac no one has multiple sedans. Ford doesn't make any. Lincoln doesn't. Chevy only has the Malibu. Chrysler only makes the 300 which is ancient and they've put more resources into the Dodge and Jeep brands. Dodge only has the Charger. Overall Chrysler's idea of innovation the last few years has been answering the question, can we fit a hellcat motor in it? Biden ****ed over Chrysler by forcing them to go green yet they have a 700+HP engine option available in every single Dodge model and they even shoehorned a 392 hemi into the wrangler (which is absolutely impossible to find).

All of the American companies have thousands of the boring bread and butter SUVs available. At least as many as your boring bread and butter japanese midsize sedan.

As for the rest, do you even read what you write?



So your definition of fully loaded is not in fact fully loaded. 10 grand worth of options left on the table is very much not fully loaded most would say.



You actually said the average new car price is deceiving because it includes used junk. Your words not mine. You're not astute enough to understand what you write apparently. Are you saying it doesn't include used junk now?



Go foreign unless you want a civic or an accord or a vw, or a popular foreign SUV, then you'll probably have a long wait.

OKs smarta$$. Tell me what the fvck I could get on my ICE Camry for $10,000 freakin dollars that I don’t already have??? Seriously. Tell me. Don’t be shy. And then tell me why the fvck would I pay for it. The point of this thread is inflation, which morphed into being able to buy affordable new cars.

You seem obsessed with wanting to spend all the money you can. Good for you. You also don’t seem to be in any hurry or need for a new car. Great. I’m not going to order a car and wait two freakin years to get something I might not even want by then. If I did, would have ordered the Pacifica.

When I go to a dealership, I’m ready to buy, not look. Can’t stand buying cars, but they are a necessity.

Owning three separate properties in three separate states spaced over roughly an 1,100 mile perimeter, I like to have a dependable car at each property, and one new one I can run into the ground while it’s under warranty to travel from place to place.

It wasn’t just the “Chrysler guy” complaining. It was all the American car Dealerships. They are all complaining Biden is forcing them all out of business. And he is. It’s sad.

Those once thriving American Dealerships that used to be all over me when I walked through the door are now ghost towns. People like me looking for a dependable NEW midsize car or minivan are now being funneled to the Toyota’s and Kias of the world, or settling for a USED car. I’m not buying a used car, so I go with what I have already found to be dependable and appropriately priced. Unlike you, there’s no way I am buying some expensive Rolls Royce to drive through places like Center City Philadelphia multiple times a month.

If you can’t understand the meaning or the arithmetic of “being forced into buying used junk”, which would obviously bring up the average new car price, then you’re dumber than a doorknob.
 
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OKs smarta$$. Tell me what the fvck I could get on my ICE Camry for $10,000 freakin dollars that I don’t already have??? Seriously. Tell me. Don’t be shy. And then tell me why the fvck would I pay for it. The point of this thread is inflation, which morphed into being able to buy affordable new cars.

You seem obsessed with wanting to spend all the money you can. Good for you. You also don’t seem to be in any hurry or need for a new car. Great. I’m not going to order a car and wait two freakin years to get something I might not even want by then. If I did, would have ordered the Pacifica.

When I go to a dealership, I’m ready to buy, not look. Can’t stand buying cars, but they are a necessity.

Owning three separate properties in three separate states spaced over roughly an 1,100 mile perimeter, I like to have a dependable car at each property, and one new one I can run into the ground while it’s under warranty to travel from place to place.

It wasn’t just the “Chrysler guy” complaining. It was all the American car Dealerships. They are all complying Biden is forcing them all out of business. And he is. It’s sad.

Those once thriving American Dealerships that used to be all over me when I walked through the door are now ghost towns. People like me looking for a dependable NEW midsize car or minivan are now being funneled to the Toyota’s and Kias of the world, or settling for a USED car. I’m not buying a used car, so I go with what I have already found to be dependable and appropriately priced. Unlike you, there’s no way I am buying some expensive Rolls Royce to drive through places like Center City Philadelphia multiple times a month.

If you can’t understand the meaning or the arithmetic of “being forced into buying used junk”, which would obviously bring up the average new car price, then you’re dumber than a doorknob.

I don't care what your Camry has or doesn't. I'm just laughing at you needing to talk about how fully loaded it is when it isn't. Doesn't matter which it doesn't have but you appear to be in agreement it does not in fact have every option available so just stop. It's well-equipped, not fully loaded.

You can't get a new midsize American car because no American company produces them and that isn't a recent development. They've gone all in on SUVs and Crossovers. The only midsize American car that isn't a Tesla or Caddy is the Malibu. Blame American buying preferences.

Ford discontinued all of their cars outside of the Mustang in 2019 but that's Biden's fault.
Chrysler cancelled the 200 in 2017 and never replaced it. You could couldn't find anything to buy at Chrysler because they dont even produce a midsize sedan that competes with the Camry and based on your other comments you'd have been unlikely to spend the extra to get into a comparably equipped 300.

I gave you a long list of American models available in quantities great that the Camry.
Plenty of Jeeps available but no one wants to buy them. Guess Joe is why Jeep's products suck?

I'm obsessed with spending money? I've already said I'm waiting on a VW that costs under 47,000 but now its a Rolls Royce. Where you pulled that from I have no idea.

Sigh. again. used junk doesn't factor into the average price of a new cars being 47 or 48k and as someone else kindly pointed out EVs still aren't a drop in the bucket. Being forced to buy used junk doesn't either. Plenty of new junk (like the jeeps you said are junk, and most Chrysler products) is available in quantities just as high as the Camry. The average new vehicle purchase price is high because SUVs and Trucks are very popular and very expensive. Not whatever other bogeyman you want to blame.

Chevy raised the prices of Silverados by 15% over last year. Ford raised prices on most of their lineup. The Raptor costs 68k now, when it was 64k last year. My Bronco Sport stickered for 38k last year and the same spec is almost 44k today.
 

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OKs smarta$$. Tell me what the fvck I could get on my ICE Camry for $10,000 freakin dollars that I don’t already have??? Seriously. Tell me. Don’t be shy. And then tell me why the fvck would I pay for it. The point of this thread is inflation, which morphed into being able to buy affordable new cars.

You seem obsessed with wanting to spend all the money you can. Good for you. You also don’t seem to be in any hurry or need for a new car. Great. I’m not going to order a car and wait two freakin years to get something I might not even want by then. If I did, would have ordered the Pacifica.

When I go to a dealership, I’m ready to buy, not look. Can’t stand buying cars, but they are a necessity.

Owning three separate properties in three separate states spaced over roughly an 1,100 mile perimeter, I like to have a dependable car at each property, and one new one I can run into the ground while it’s under warranty to travel from place to place.

It wasn’t just the “Chrysler guy” complaining. It was all the American car Dealerships. They are all complaining Biden is forcing them all out of business. And he is. It’s sad.

Those once thriving American Dealerships that used to be all over me when I walked through the door are now ghost towns. People like me looking for a dependable NEW midsize car or minivan are now being funneled to the Toyota’s and Kias of the world, or settling for a USED car. I’m not buying a used car, so I go with what I have already found to be dependable and appropriately priced. Unlike you, there’s no way I am buying some expensive Rolls Royce to drive through places like Center City Philadelphia multiple times a month.

If you can’t understand the meaning or the arithmetic of “being forced into buying used junk”, which would obviously bring up the average new car price, then you’re dumber than a doorknob.
To try and mediate/inject some humor for you boys- didn't the Duke Brothers drive a Rolls Royce to the Phila Stock Exchange in Trading Places?

As for the rest: Neither political parties resemble the ones of our parents, or as a 56 year old, our youth. There are extremists on both the left and right who grab headlines on their "Teams" newschannel to gain power and stay elected. This small sliver of folks...AOC, MTGreene etc do not represent the views of the large majority of their parties. ...they're just easy targets to incite viewers. Biden and Donnie T are foils in the storyline...like the Cowboys or the Celtics...you either love them or hate them...not much in between.

As for buying a new car...I've got a 94 Wrangler and a 2010 Mazda 5...both in great condition and easily sellable in the private market for about $15k total. I've looked to trade them out for a new Jeep or something electric for my bride. At the current time it's just not worth it for us...gonna stick with what we have in part due to all of the pricing and supply issues stated. Just dropped $58 to fill my Rav 4...dude next to me spent $100.03 for his SUV. I almost cried for him

So...from my view everybody is "correct" and nobody is going to change their minds about anything. Thus is the state of America in 2022 and likely through 2024, if we make it that far : )
 

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I don't care what your Camry has or doesn't. I'm just laughing at you needing to talk about how fully loaded it is when it isn't. Doesn't matter which it doesn't have but you appear to be in agreement it does not in fact have every option available so just stop. It's well-equipped, not fully loaded.

You can't get a new midsize American car because no American company produces them and that isn't a recent development. They've gone all in on SUVs and Crossovers. The only midsize American car that isn't a Tesla or Caddy is the Malibu. Blame American buying preferences.

Ford discontinued all of their cars outside of the Mustang in 2019 but that's Biden's fault.
Chrysler cancelled the 200 in 2017 and never replaced it. You could couldn't find anything to buy at Chrysler because they dont even produce a midsize sedan that competes with the Camry and based on your other comments you'd have been unlikely to spend the extra to get into a comparably equipped 300.

I gave you a long list of American models available in quantities great that the Camry.
Plenty of Jeeps available but no one wants to buy them. Guess Joe is why Jeep's products suck?

I'm obsessed with spending money? I've already said I'm waiting on a VW that costs under 47,000 but now its a Rolls Royce. Where you pulled that from I have no idea.

Sigh. again. used junk doesn't factor into the average price of a new cars being 47 or 48k and as someone else kindly pointed out EVs still aren't a drop in the bucket. Being forced to buy used junk doesn't either. Plenty of new junk (like the jeeps you said are junk, and most Chrysler products) is available in quantities just as high as the Camry. The average new vehicle purchase price is high because SUVs and Trucks are very popular and very expensive. Not whatever other bogeyman you want to blame.

Chevy raised the prices of Silverados by 15% over last year. Ford raised prices on most of their lineup. The Raptor costs 68k now, when it was 64k last year. My Bronco Sport stickered for 38k last year and the same spec is almost 44k today.

Yep. Didn’t think you would be able to come up with $10,000 dollars worth of additional goodies I could have wasted my money on if I wanted to stay ICE.

We’re going around in circles. The bottom line is if you still want to buy an affordable NEW car, meaning ICE mid-size or mini van, and you want to actually see it, feel it, touch it, and test drive it NOW, before you actually buy it, go to a foreign car dealership. They don’t seem to be having the same wait time or “component shortage” issues the American Dealerships seem to be having. And as compared to their American Dealership counterparts, they seemed to be fully staffed and happy.
 
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Do we not have Democrats that identify as democratic socialists? Sorry but as biden.says about Republicans this isn't your grandfather's democratic party.
"Socialism" and "Communism" are two different things. Democratic Socialism even more so. I trust you realize that modern economies that are typically thought of as "capitalist" (i.e., the U.S., Japan, Australia, Canada, South Korea, and all of Western Europe) could not survive or function if not for the introduction of various features that were when introduced (and in many cases still are) regarded as "socialist." Examples include the five day work week, the eight hour work day and overtime pay, maternity leave, workplace safety laws and regulations, health benefits for workers, collective bargaining, unemployment insurance, social security, welfare, etc.).

Incidentally, I'm amazed that this thread continues to appear on the "Football Board." It is quintessentially a thread that belongs on the Test Board. As it did from the moment you submitted your OP, when your political viewpoint was pretty obvious.
 

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I'm amoderate who has been in both parties, still votes for candidates from both parties, and hasn't been pleased either of our recent Presidents. However, I wouldn't opine that Mr. Trump has character flaws "like we all do."

Whether one agrees with his world view, chooses to be blind to the repurcussions of his vitriol, accepts a propensity to disregard the truth (Stormy + $300k = denying a relationship?), or is comfortable with the way he continually divides us is up to you. Politically neither have worked for my interests, but personally I wouldn't categorize his faults as "common."

And I come from my view as a former season ticket holder with the son of the now imprisoned CFO of Trump Enterprises. I didn't come into his candidacy harboring a positive or a negative opinion of Mr. Trump. His shift in my view has been earned 100% by him.

If you love your daughter as much as you love our country would you want her married to Donnie T? In our GREAT country there simply has to be someone better. Just my opinion...and I watch Fox and CNN 50/50 so whatever propaganda one wishes to throw my way to rationalize him I can likely tell you which host preached the words.

Politics is one thing, being a good person is another. Frankly, he is an acquired taste, like caviar, that I just don't see myself coming around to appreciating. One can try to overtime him, but in the naked light of day he is a man of paradoxes. Can I ask a question? Which presidents did you like? Which ones would you want your daughter married to? Kennedy was an adulterer. Clinton was getting what he wanted from interns. I don't want a president to marry my daughter. I want a president who stands up for our country and has America respected around the world. And who causes our enemies to have a healthy fear. Oh, and if he has us energy independent, that's a plus. A president who encourages obeying the law, and who doesn't allow malcontents to burn our cities down. Is that too much to ask? At this point, I think we are looking pretty foolish in the worlds eyes!
 

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Can I ask a question? Which presidents did you like? Which ones would you want your daughter married to? Kennedy was an adulterer. Clinton was getting what he wanted from interns. I don't want a president to marry my daughter. I want a president who stands up for our country and has America respected around the world. And who causes our enemies to have a healthy fear. Oh, and if he has us energy independent, that's a plus. A president who encourages obeying the law, and who doesn't allow malcontents to burn our cities down. Is that too much to ask? At this point, I think we are looking pretty foolish in the worlds eyes!

Separated that out for you. All good points. I certainly wish Trump had a better character. Wish he had somewhat of a filter. But I would take a creepy dude that does an excellent job than a nice guy like Carter that is totally lost.
 

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I want a President who I can be proud of as an American. I want a President who doesn't lie. I want a President who doesn't say things that you cannot say in a school setting.

Ideally I want a President who I vote for because I believe they are GREAT for our country, not some sliver of an interest group or combination of groups, nor just the taller of 2 midgets. How about a logical, ethical person? IS that too much to ask?

In my time I thought Jimmy Carter was a great man but lousy President. My dad worked for a nuclear weapon manufacturer so I had no choice but to love Ronnie R- he paid for my college. I would say that I respect the 1st George Bush. I hated Bill Clinton for many of the same reasons I do not find Mr. Trump appealing. Both have an element of sleaze that I don't look for in friends, employees, organizations that I've worked for or joined. It is hard to dispute that comparison right? He vs. Hillary was a lowpoint for many in the middle. Bush II was ok in an odd time, but history will not be kind to him over Iraq. Obama was the Trump to the Bushes as Trump was himself to Obama.

I follow the law, but don't believe that the law is always applied fairly or equally. Does that make me un-American? I often wonder where the Ukraine situation would be under Mr. Trump...one can say "it didn't happen under him" , but you could argue that steps taken under Trump lead us to where we are now. Where would NATO stand? Biden rolled in too late. Under Trump who knows? The preparation for the war certainly was going on for more than the Biden Presidency.

I like people who don't think I'm stupid. Politicians on both sides are often more full of themselves than they are of our country. Whatever you want to believe there is a cable channel to watch.

Personally we are pretty energy independent with geo thermal and commutes within our zip code. Financially things were better under President Trump but the Middle Class Tax Break seemed to skip over us. I trust myself more than any political party/platform

Will it take simultaneous wars in Eastern Europe and Taiwan to unite Americans? We may just find out. It is likely we view many things the same, but will differ on the merits of 45 for another run. Who opposes him will matter to me, as I'm not automatically voting one way or the other. We'll see....
 

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Yep. Didn’t think you would be able to come up with $10,000 dollars worth of additional goodies I could have wasted my money on if I wanted to stay ICE.
Post your window sticker I can’t tell you what you don’t have without knowing which options you actually bought. Too many possibilities. You’re still missing the point it’s not fully loaded just because you didn’t want the features. If I get a wrangler without ac or power windows, it’s not fully loaded just because I didn’t want them. If you go to sell the car and your ad on Craigslist says fully loaded and someone shows up and it’s missing a half dozen packages they’re not going agree that it’s fully loaded.

If you want your car to identify as fully loaded when it’s not I assume you’re ok with others identifying whatever they want as whatever they want regardless of reality.

We’re going around in circles. The bottom line is if you still want to buy an affordable NEW car, meaning ICE mid-size or mini van, and you want to actually see it, feel it, touch it, and test drive it NOW, before you actually buy it, go to a foreign car dealership. They don’t seem to be having the same wait time or “component shortage” issues the American Dealerships seem to be having. And as compared to their American Dealership counterparts, they seemed to be fully staffed and happy.

Foreign dealers typically have better comp plans than domestic dealers based on what a few friends in the business have told me. Domestics tend to be more cut throat/have higher turnover.

Regardless, the supply chain shortages have no impact on models which don’t exist, which is midsize sedans and minivans made by American companies. You can’t touch something that isn’t produced.

There is one midsize sedan (Malibu) and one minivan (Pacifica) that you can buy today from an American manufacturer and they’re both bad products. That’s it. Just for clarity. With or without supply chain issues the only two options you’d have with your criteria are the Chevy Malibu or Chrysler Pacfica if you want a midsize sedan or a minivan made by an American company in 2022.

Foreign companies are feeling it too, it’s all model specific. Honda has very limited civic and accord availability. VW has low availability for most products. The best selling car they make is the Jetta and they’ve got like 500 listed for sale. Toyota’s more popular suvs have been selling for over sticker. My buddy just sold his 4Runner back to his dealer last month for more than he paid because it was a spec that’s impossible to find. The new Corolla GR is going to be sold out for at least the first 12 months it’s available.
 
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Post your window sticker I can’t tell you what you don’t have without knowing which options you actually bought. Too many possibilities. You’re still missing the point it’s not fully loaded just because you didn’t want the features. If I get a wrangler without ac or power windows, it’s not fully loaded just because I didn’t want them. If you go to sell the car and your ad on Craigslist says fully loaded and someone shows up and it’s missing a half dozen packages they’re not going agree that it’s fully loaded.

If you want your car to identify as fully loaded when it’s not I assume you’re ok with others identifying whatever they want as whatever they want regardless of reality.



Foreign dealers typically have better comp plans than domestic dealers based on what a few friends in the business have told me. Domestics tend to be more cut throat/have higher turnover.

Regardless, the supply chain shortages have no impact on models which don’t exist, which is midsize sedans and minivans made by American companies. You can’t touch something that isn’t produced.

There is one midsize sedan (Malibu) and one minivan (Pacifica) that you can buy today from an American manufacturer and they’re both bad products. That’s it. Just for clarity. With or without supply chain issues the only two options you’d have with your criteria are the Chevy Malibu or Chrysler Pacfica if you want a midsize sedan or a minivan made by an American company in 2022.

Foreign companies are feeling it too, it’s all model specific. Honda has very limited civic and accord availability. VW has low availability for most products. The best selling car they make is the Jetta and they’ve got like 500 listed for sale. Toyota’s more popular suvs have been selling for over sticker. My buddy just sold his 4Runner back to his dealer last month for more than he paid because it was a spec that’s impossible to find. The new Corolla GR is going to be sold out for at least the first 12 months it’s available.

You’re proving my point.

New American cars are WAY overpriced and no one wants to buy that sh!t. American New Car Dealerships have laid people off left and right while Foreign Car Dealerships are laughing their collective a$$es off at us. They have actual real life inventory and affordable cars to buy. American Dealers don’t. That’s why people like me went with a Camry over my preferred number one choice, the Pacifica.

And by the way. You keep giving me sh!t about my Pacifica. Love the thing. I’ve always had a Chrysler brand min-van product in my personal inventory and they’ve all been GREAT! Better than some of the other crap I’ve owned over the years like Fords and Subarus. Love to have a new one to rotate out the one I have, but I don’t ever buy a car I can’t see, inspect, and test drive before I buy it. And I’m CERTAINLY not going to wait 8 months for it. I already have a 2016 Camry based at one of my properties and it’s been a great car.

Toyota’s (foreign dealerships) gain, Chrysler’s (American dealerships) loss.
 
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Two electric cars and a diversified investment portfolio - we’re doing just fine.

On the stock market: Anyone with a clue knew that the rooster would come home to roost when Trump pulled every stimulus lever known to man even though he inherited an extremely strong economy. If you challenged an president to do everything imaginable to create a stock market bubble - this is what you would you do: massive tax cuts (permanent for corporations, temporary for the middle class) leading to record corporate stock buy-backs, massive spending/record debt, fed interest rate suppression, incessant cheerleading after every new high - it was the ultimate pump-and- dump by the self-described “king of debt”.

On inflation and gas: EVERY INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NOW HAS RECORD HIGH INFLATION AND GAS PRICES. It’s a result of global supply chain issues resulting from COVID and Russian oil sanctions. Full stop.

But Biden (tapped US oil reserves at record levels while having anti-price gauging legislatation shut down by Republicans), AOC and drag shows are the real problem- right?
Moved into cash 90% in January when they started talking about raising interest rate. Don’t fight the Feds. We were due for a recession. I‘m buying some now but will be fully invested when market is down 40%. I’m been trading for the 45 years. I normally don’t blame the government for the stock market. You’re right that Trump kept pushing for low interest rate right before the election and covid when it should have been increased.
 
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Moved into cash 90% in January when they started talking about raising interest rate. Don’t fight the Feds. We were due for a recession. I‘m buying some now but will be fully invested when market is down 40%. I’m been trading for the 45 years. I normally don’t blame the government for the stock market. You’re right that Trump kept pushing for low interest rate right before the election and covid when it should have been increased.
And Trump was upset that Fed raised rates several times early in Trump’s term even though there was little inflation.
 
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You’re proving my point.

New American cars are WAY overpriced and no one wants to buy that sh!t. American New Car Dealerships have laid people off left and right while Foreign Car Dealerships are laughing their collective a$$es off at us. They have actual real life inventory and affordable cars to buy. American Dealers don’t. That’s why people like me went with a Camry over my preferred number one choice, the Pacifica.

And by the way. You keep giving me sh!t about my Pacifica. Love the thing. I’ve always had a Chrysler brand min-van product in my personal inventory and they’ve all been GREAT! Better than some of the other crap I’ve owned over the years like Fords and Subarus. Love to have a new one to rotate out the one I have, but I don’t ever buy a car I can’t see, inspect, and test drive before I buy it. And I’m CERTAINLY not going to wait 8 months for it. I already have a 2016 Camry based at one of my properties and it’s been a great car.

Toyota’s (foreign dealerships) gain, Chrysler’s (American dealerships) loss.
My last American car was a Chevrolet Monza in 1980. After getting my carburetor overhaul after just a few years and bringing it back to the dealer to get it fix. I don’t know cars but I know carburetor overhaul is very unusual. Almost exactly a year later, I had to bring the car back to the shop, they told me I needed another carburetor overhaul, two in about one year acting like that was normal. I yelled at the mechanic and told him it might be a result of a problem and told him I will never buy an American car again. When I picked up the car, they said it had a hole in the hose and there would be no charge. Idiots.

I’m not buying American just because it’s American. I’m buying quality.
 
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Amongst your rambling you failed to explain why every other industrialized country in the world is having record high inflation and gas prices. And it’s funny - we don’t hear Republicans citing data about deficits and unemployment any more. I wonder why?
part of the answer is obvious. Energy hugely drives inflation. While DT was in office we had 4 years of energy sanity while Europe [especially Germany] was going whole hog anti fossil fuels. Biden has tried to mirror the EU energy policy. So they effectively had a 4 year head start on a screwed up energy policy.
 

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This thread literally asked if we changed habits because of gas prices. I don’t buy gas - what do you want me to do, lie? And you can shove your elitist smears up your ass. My EVs were the first new cars I purchased in my life. Some of us did the math and decided that going away from gas was a sound financial decision.
what are your EV's?
 

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Mineral supply constraints have been baked into every EV adoption estimate for the past decade and sales have consistently beat estimates. Tweaks to battery chemistries have engineered out a significant portion of rare minerals and that will continue. At the same time, the major automakers started investing heavily in battery supply chains around 2016/17 and it’s now paying off.

EVs were about 5% of US sales in Q1 of 2022. An estimate of 1/3 EVs in 2027 is very realistic.
Seems like maybe supply chain and batteries are an issue, or maybe the biggest electric car maker in the world doesn't know anything?

Musk says Tesla's new car factories 'losing billions of dollars'
 
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Zero mention of minerals, only “This is all going to get fixed real fast, but it requires a lot of attention”. Hopefully he will give it attention rather than pandering to conservatives and dicking around with Twitter.
fixed real fast is the parts coming from china. the quote on batteries was..."as they struggle to increase production because of a shortage of batteries". why do you think they are struggling with battery production, some because of parts, other because of raw material.
 
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fixed real fast is the parts coming from china. the quote on batteries was..."as they struggle to increase production because of a shortage of batteries". why do you think they are struggling with battery production, some because of parts, other because of raw material.
They are transitioning to a completely new battery chemistry, architecture and two new factories. This is no surprise.
 

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In my humble opinion the country should have looked to hydrogen or ammonia over EVs. EV’s are an environmental disaster. Strip mining, chemical washing to extract minerals, transporting materials, manufacturing, recharging, and recycling all take fossil fuels. Funny how no one talks about the carbon footprint of making, charging, and recycling batteries. Guess all that’s powered by unicorn farts. We still don’t have a way to recycle batteries or charge them. Rolling blackouts won’t charge your car. Also where are all those batteries going to end up in 5-7 years. Car batteries go bad way to quickly. Batteries cost as much as the car itself. Many will junk the entire vehicle. Further waste of materials and fossil fuels. Worse part is polluting our ground water by chemical extraction. People want to make this about politics. But this is not a political issue. It’s poor planning and greed by politicians on both sides and big business. You can only switch to alternates when you have alternative in place. We are nowhere near being ready.
 

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How did a thread about inflation get turned into an EV thread? I personally think inflation is more impactful and important than the current state of EV development.
 

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It transitioned when some of the left leaners suggested EV’s would save us from inflation due to fossil fuels.
Methinks an intentional pivot from the record inflation that the left has delivered. They destroyed a strong economy in short order and want to change the subject. That's happening in this thread, in congressional hearings, and in the streets of democrat owned cities.

Don't take the bait. Democrats in full control of the white house, senate, and house are hurting all Americans, pushing tens of millions into poverty, there isn't a new shiny object over there. Look at the underlying reality of their results not the slight of hand to distract from it.
 

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Amongst your rambling you failed to explain why every other industrialized country in the world is having record high inflation and gas prices. And it’s funny - we don’t hear Republicans citing data about deficits and unemployment any more. I wonder why?
You do realize that we live in a global economy, do you not? Fossil fuel policy in the US affects fossil fuel prices world wide. What a numbskull.
 

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This thread literally asked if we changed habits because of gas prices. I don’t buy gas - what do you want me to do, lie? And you can shove your elitist smears up your ass. My EVs were the first new cars I purchased in my life. Some of us did the math and decided that going away from gas was a sound financial decision.
Sorry, but if you REALLY did the math, buying EVs is anything but a sound financial decision. Just admit that you did it out of misplaced concern for the environment and not lie.
 

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Sorry, but if you REALLY did the math, buying EVs is anything but a sound financial decision. Just admit that you did it out of misplaced concern for the environment and not lie.
To be fair, he is liberal and may have attempted to do math. They often don't even get that far because they are simply not good at it.
 
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This is just factually wrong. Oil companies decide when to increase or decrease supply based on market conditions. Oil companies with US leases slashed supply when oil turned negative and are now taking profits instead of surging supply.

watching you guys shill for the oil industry as it rawdogs the American public (look at gas prices relative to crude prices) it’s like Stockholm syndrome.
You need to pay more attention to rumble. He keeps posting that US oil companies are drilling more and more oil. You both can't be right
 
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To be fair, he is liberal and may have attempted to do math. They often don't even get that far because they are simply not good at it.
Depending on how much you drive it might make financial sense. But, for the normal driver, payback might not come for 10 or more years.
 

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How did a thread about inflation get turned into an EV thread? I personally think inflation is more impactful and important than the current state of EV development.
I know, right?! I just can't understand how in the world that happened. I mean, look how distinctly non-partisan your posts in this thread were:

Methinks an intentional pivot from the record inflation that the left has delivered. They destroyed a strong economy in short order and want to change the subject. That's happening in this thread, in congressional hearings, and in the streets of democrat owned cities.

Don't take the bait. Democrats in full control of the white house, senate, and house are hurting all Americans, pushing tens of millions into poverty, there isn't a new shiny object over there. Look at the underlying reality of their results not the slight of hand to distract from it.
Incidentally, genius, the term is "sleight of hand."
 

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I know, right?! I just can't understand how in the world that happened. I mean, look how distinctly non-partisan your posts in this thread were:


Incidentally, genius, the term is "sleight of hand."
Thanks. My degrees are in science and engineering with additional courses in finance, not so much liberal arts. But it's good to have someone focused on cleaning up the use of slight instead of sleight while others more equipped to discuss topics can focus on more pertinent matters.
 

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This poll is missing my personal category “No, same standard of living. I am Cheap by nature and shop at Dollar General for fun.”
 
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