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OT: Depressing news on knowledge of the Holocaust

It’s one of the defining incidents of the 20th Century, along with Hiroshima and the moon landing, and too many people are ignorant about it. Beyond sad and disturbing.


We are in the 21st century now.
Once those who lived through it pass away it becomes mixed in with other history of which there are not many experts.
I'm thankful I met a few British and American heroes of WW2 during my lifetime.

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It's amazing. About 30 years ago there was the we must never forget the holocaust push. I always thought how could we ever forget something so bad. Now we've forgotten the holocaust, forgotten that communism leads to mass genocide and forgotten that capitalism and freedom are good.
 
The widespread ignorance of history explains a lot about a number of things.
Young people waste their time on fluff and don't do anything that is intellectually challenging. Basically young people are lazy. I was talking with my 3 grandkids (grades 7 and 8) over the weekend. I told them that I read the 1200 page book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when I was in the fifth grade. They told me that was was impossible and I was making it up. They spend all their time on social media and playing mindless computer games. Very sad.
 
The camps were left standing so people wouldn’t be able to deny they existed.
It looks like the willful stupidity of people was underestimated.

I don't think its stupidity, but then I can be pretty cynical at times.
 
Just another reason to attempt to have F2F schooling. If the current product is considered substandard, just imagine the COVID-19 altered education.

I'm pulling my hair out over this online education crap my daughter has.
 
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Young people waste their time on fluff and don't do anything that is intellectually challenging. Basically young people are lazy. I was talking with my 3 grandkids (grades 7 and 8) over the weekend. I told them that I read the 1200 page book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when I was in the fifth grade. They told me that was was impossible and I was making it up. They spend all their time on social media and playing mindless computer games. Very sad.

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and
impatient of restraint."
--- Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.
 
An awful lot of kids today are taught how bad the US is. They ignore WWII and Korea and start with Vietnam. Then the Gulf Wars are sold as "dead American soldiers for oil". The only time the citizenry wakes up is when we are attacked (like Pearl Harbor and 9-11.
 
It’s one of the defining incidents of the 20th Century, along with Hiroshima and the moon landing, and too many people are ignorant about it. Beyond sad and disturbing.


I posted about the Katyn Memorial in Jersey City 2-3 years ago. They wanted to take it down to put in a park because the monument to 20,000 POWs slaughtered by Stalin was considered "politically incorrect".

Of course, the Polish community which views this statue as one of only a handful that speaks to the oft ignored occupation of eastern europe by the communists and the massacre of millions of people, as quite important. So the plan was stopped. (nearly every day there are flowers laid on the memorial of someone who lost loved ones)

What was most surprising was just how many on this board thought the memorial removal was OK.

And people wonder why history gets forgotten.

LdN
 
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Or a "fascist".


Here ya go.....this'll get ya' going...

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial controlearly instances of army fascism and brutality— J. W. Aldridge
 
I've been to Dachau and Bergen-Belsen in Germany as well as Yad Vashem in Israel.

In Europe they have what the Germans call "Stolpersteine" (tripping stones)--raised brass plates with names and other info that you can "trip over" as a remembrance of those lost.

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Never forget.
 
An awful lot of kids today are taught how bad the US is. They ignore WWII and Korea and start with Vietnam. Then the Gulf Wars are sold as "dead American soldiers for oil". The only time the citizenry wakes up is when we are attacked (like Pearl Harbor and 9-11.
We have both good and bad actions in our history- and both should be taught about and understood.
 
We have both good and bad actions in our history- and both should be taught about and understood.

This. If you don't examine all of it, including the many times when good and bad existed side by side, the result is a cartoonish view of the country. The same thing is true when studying world history and cultures. Acts of good, acts of vileness, attitudes of the most vile bigotry, and attitudes of acceptance can be found in every nation, society, and people group.
 
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"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless
beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and
impatient of restraint."
--- Hesiod, Eighth Century B.C.
How did you Google this? Just curious. Great find.
 
My Dad was a bit too young for WW2 ( he made up for it in Korea ) but he toured Dachau in 1947.
He was completely stunned by he witnessed. It was industrialized death on a national scale. He could scarcely believe human beings could so carefully plan and carry out something so hideous.
People like to think “ it was the Nazis and I am not at all like them “. Don’t fool yourself. The worst villains of history are always confident in their own righteousness. People need to be made aware of this or they end up believing evil is a fairy tale.
 
Yeah 6 Million thrown into ovens versus people who broke the law and were killed by a police officer in the line of duty. Granted some of the few killed should have the officer prosecuted but the leap you took? Not even remotely close.
What is your stance on officers killed in ambush style killings? Asking for a friend.
Hyperbole and gross exaggeration are the tools of the ignorant but do great damage to our society. Such emotional outbursts weaken the discussion when rational analysis would be the proper path to solutions to the problems.
 
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I've been to Dachau and Bergen-Belsen in Germany as well as Yad Vashem in Israel.

In Europe they have what the Germans call "Stolpersteine" (tripping stones)--raised brass plates with names and other info that you can "trip over" as a remembrance of those lost.

1024px-Stolperstein_Else_Liebermann_von_Wahlendorf_Berlin_Budapester_Strasse.jpg

Never forget.
A good friend of mine's, late father was an Osteopath in Williamsport, PA. When he graduated from college he ordered a human spine to display in his office. The spine arrived in a crate that was stamped 'Dachau' . How gruesome is that?
 
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How many people remember the Turks genocidal attack on the Armenians barely a century ago? Few know about it, it barely gets mentioned, and yet it was the blueprint for Hitler's plans.

I was actually going to mention this. The Holocaust and the slaughter of Jews was horrible and needs to be remembered, but at least it was generally well reported. The genocide of Armenians (and Greeks and Assyrians) in the early part of the 20th century in Turkey is virtually ignored in the history books and Turkey denies it to this very day.
 
The students today are being taught the “new history.” Things like the Holocaust, the communist regime’s, etc. are being glossed by due to more important themes such as anti-war movements. My kids really didn’t learn much in school about the world wars and other “old” history. The Nazis were socialists with a right of center slant and lead by a dictator (Nazi is short for the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers Party) and Communist Russians were socialists with a leftist slant and dictator.
 
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