Oops. NCAA is in deep doo doo with USC

[PennSt8er]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ush-usc-violations-case-todd-mcnair/76958960/

 

[cjrugger]

I think I've seen this movie before

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Wait, the NCAA had a predetermined outcome??? No frickin way...I don't believe it. Since when has the association ever acted in such an unethical manner?

 

[91Joe95]

This is going to cost the NCAA a lot of money. Its also going to make it almost impossible for them to get any cooperation from schools in the future.

 

[ChiTownLion]

"McNair produced evidence that, while the (committee) had difficulty reaching a conclusion about McNair, it violated its own procedures by considering facts outside the record without affording McNair an opportunity to explain, and by allowing nonvoting members to influence the deliberations."

lmao

 

[KSLion]

"McNair produced evidence that, while the (committee) had difficulty reaching a conclusion about McNair, it violated its own procedures by considering facts outside the record without affording McNair an opportunity to explain, and by allowing nonvoting members to influence the deliberations."

lmao

Or, to simplify, the NCAA made the process up as it went along. Imagine that.

The entire, corrupt, joke-of-an-organization needs to be demolished and sold for scrap. It's oft-demonstrated lack of integrity makes it useless as a trustworthy governance tool for its membership.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Why don't they just say how "unprecedented" this was, and then they can do whatever they want! Simple.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Or, to simplify, the NCAA made the process up as it went along. Imagine that.

The entire, corrupt, joke-of-an-organization needs to be demolished and sold for scrap. It's oft-demonstrated lack of integrity makes it useless as a trustworthy administrative organization.

Actually, it was set up to be a member-owned self-regulatory organization. When the "regulator" is filled with zero-integrity, exclusively self-interested, narcissistic, morally-vaccuous hogs and whores, you know the organization has far outlived its usefulness and should be immediately vaccated by the members.

 

[BobPSU92]

"The NCAA disregarded the truth in the Reggie Bush case to reach a "predetermined conclusion" against the USC football program, casting new doubt about whether the Trojans should have been slammed with penalties in the case"

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Actually, it was set up to be a member-owned self-regulatory organization. When the "regulator" is filled with zero-integrity, exclusively self-interested, narcissistic, morally-vaccuous hogs and whores, you know the organization has far outlived its usefulness and should be immediately vaccated by the members.

Vintage Bushie right there. Great stuff and spot on.

 

[Legion of Lions]

Or, to simplify, the NCAA made the process up as it went along. Imagine that.

The entire, corrupt, joke-of-an-organization needs to be demolished and sold for scrap. It's oft-demonstrated lack of integrity makes it useless as a trustworthy administrative organization.

Interesting that it has taken USC and the California Courts to expose the fact that the NCAA "makes things up" to promote their own "stories" to influence public perception.

While this is solidly interesting when you impose "game" and "player" penalties.... I think it is TOTALLY CRIMINAL when you impose $60M fines.

The Penn State Illusion - what the OAG/BOT/Freeh/NCAA collusion has promoted - is without precedent and ABSOLUTELY needs jail time for ALL the players of this crime. Remember, we already have email evidence that indicates the NCAA "Targeted" PSU and Paterno KNOWING that there was NO organizational mandate or legal rational for them to act. Additionally, they imposed a "Death Penalty+ " set of sanctions designed to ELIMINATE PSU from fielding a real football team. Their intent was not a penalty but an active act of TOTAL DESTRUCTION FOREVER!!!!

We also know that they "conspired" with other entities (Freeh/BOT) as a means of insuring that these absurd conclusions and penalties would not have normal push-backs by the University. They needed this collusion with BOT as without it it would have been impossible for Emmert to "take" the $60M from PSU's operating budget which it promoted as a "fine". Their actual motive was using the money to establish a "slush fund" of walking money (and potentially admin fees as payment to the NCAA senior leadership).

The malicious intent of the NCAA and the specific targeting of the Penn State football program would have been publicly exposed in the PA Corman legal actions....court actions only taken because of PA politics and the NCAA fighting over control of the $60M extortion - each one wanted that money for themselves... if the NCAA-Corman case had gone to trial.

The repeal of "some" of the sanctions was only so that the "PSU fan outrage" would be reduced enough so that the NCAA was taken out immediate view in the matter. They lost and they knew it and PA politics got what it wanted - more money to support future political buy-offs.

Which brings us to the real issue....WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PATERNO SUIT exposes all the collusion in this process?? The CA courts in the USC matter have just added C-3 explosives to the PSU-NCAA fire!!!

More interesting...what happens if the OAG collusion and "rigging" of PA's courts exposes additional CRIMES committed in promoting the PSU Criminal Football ILLUSION!!!!

I don't think it legally a stretch to have the NCAA, Emmert and others there at NCAA charged with Criminal Collusion, Extortion, racketeering, money laundering (as a minimum).

While they can try to argue they didi not rob the bank....they certainly drove the get-away car!!!

 

[Keyser Soze 16801]

The Spanier and Paterno lawyers have big smiles today

 

[PSUfan98]

Interesting that it has taken USC and the California Courts to expose the fact that the NCAA "makes things up" to promote their own "stories" to influence public perception.

While this is solidly interesting when you impose "game" and "player" penalties.... I think it is TOTALLY CRIMINAL when you impose $60M fines.

The Penn State Illusion - what the OAG/BOT/Freeh/NCAA collusion has promoted - is without precedent and ABSOLUTELY needs jail time for ALL the players of this crime. Remember, we already have email evidence that indicates the NCAA "Targeted" PSU and Paterno KNOWING that there was NO organizational mandate or legal rational for them to act. Additionally, they imposed a "Death Penalty+ " set of sanctions designed to ELIMINATE PSU from fielding a real football team. Their intent was not a penalty but an active act of TOTAL DESTRUCTION FOREVER!!!!

We also know that they "conspired" with other entities (Freeh/BOT) as a means of insuring that these absurd conclusions and penalties would not have normal push-backs by the University. They needed this collusion with BOT as without it it would have been impossible for Emmert to "take" the $60M from PSU's operating budget which it promoted as a "fine". Their actual motive was using the money to establish a "slush fund" of walking money (and potentially admin fees as payment to the NCAA senior leadership).

The malicious intent of the NCAA and the specific targeting of the Penn State football program would have been publicly exposed in the PA Corman legal actions....court actions only taken because of PA politics and the NCAA fighting over control of the $60M extortion - each one wanted that money for themselves... if the NCAA-Corman case had gone to trial.

The repeal of "some" of the sanctions was only so that the "PSU fan outrage" would be reduced enough so that the NCAA was taken out immediate view in the matter. They lost and they knew it and PA politics got what it wanted - more money to support future political buy-offs.

Which brings us to the real issue....WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PATERNO SUIT exposes all the collusion in this process?? The CA courts in the USC matter have just added C-3 explosives to the PSU-NCAA fire!!!

More interesting...what happens if the OAG collusion and "rigging" of PA's courts exposes additional CRIMES committed in promoting the PSU Criminal Football ILLUSION!!!!

I don't think it legally a stretch to have the NCAA, Emmert and others there at NCAA charged with Criminal Collusion, Extortion, racketeering, money laundering (as a minimum).

While they can try to argue they didi not rob the bank....they certainly drove the get-away car!!!

USC and if you recall, the Miami case was an NCAA overstep in attempt to get the results that they wanted. The NCAA now has shown a clear and recent pattern of fixing the results of investigations to ensure that they win with no apparent desire to even follow their own rules along the way. I guarantee the Paterno legal team will feast on this.

 

[Legion of Lions]

USC and if you recall, the Miami case was an NCAA overstep in attempt to get the results that they wanted. The NCAA now has shown a clear and recent pattern of fixing the results of investigations to ensure that they win with no apparent desire to even follow their own rules along the way. I guarantee the Paterno legal team will feast on this.

Your mention of NCAA overstep by "fixing results" of investigations SHOUTS OUT to me at least...this is why Freeh was working to become the "investigative arm" for Emmert and the NCAA. This would give the "Illusion" of Former FBI Head & JUDGE (where...in PA??? No, not corrupt enough) Freeh's background in forensic activities with the ABSOLUTE certainty of knowing the final outcome BEFORE the investigation begins.

SWEET!!! The result could be Plenty of money for both NCAA and Freeh!

 

[PennSt8er]

I hope Judge Eakin gets to hear the Paterno vs NCAA case at some point.

 

[LionJim]

Anyone could have seen this coming from a mile away.

There's no question that Bush took extra benefits and reasonable people can have a discussion as to whether or not USC should have been penalized, and to what extent, but the NCAA made it their mission to ruin a man's career.

 

[91Joe95]

The Spanier and Paterno lawyers have big smiles today

Wick keeps looking at bigger boats.

 

[Marshall30]

This is all well and fine. The question is, how are the Big10 and NCAA going to be punished and pay back Penn State what they were tobbed of?

 

[wensilver]

Can I just vent?

With today's news, the NCAA has proven itself to be greedy, corrupt and self-serving in complete disregard of their member institutions.

Frank Fina showed a complete disregard for his office and the citizenry in the commonwealth by culling, collecting and sharing extremely graphic, sexual images of women being violated, along with other kinky sex acts.

Penn State was hammered based on a lynchpin lie of a violent sex act in a grand jury presentment.

A grand jury and a presentment supervised by Frank Fina. Would it not be reasonable to conclude that Fina took the imagery of "slapping sounds" in a shower, his ears perked up like the PornDog he is, and thought "Hmmm... I can really DO SOMETHING" with this, and escalated it to the imagery of a violent sex act?

This most certainly would direct public ire onto Old Main, turn up the heat on Curley and Schultz to flip on Spanier (the real target in all this). Remember, the OAG had the not-so-secret-secret-file well before Louis Freeh was even hired and had time to discuss such a plan.

So all this panic, defamation, destruction, legal and court costs, damage to livelihoods, souring of personal and professional relationships, sewage spewed across our social media streams and gallons of spilled ink - it all comes down to a kinky, sex-obsessed state prosecutor and an unethical college sports governing agency?

Is that what I'm hearing?

 

[PennSt8er]

Can I just vent?

With today's news, the NCAA has proven itself to be greedy, corrupt and self-serving in complete disregard of their member institutions.

Frank Fina showed a complete disregard for his office and the citizenry in the commonwealth by culling, collecting and sharing extremely graphic, sexual images of women being violated, along with other kinky sex acts.

Penn State was hammered based on a lynchpin lie of a violent sex act in a grand jury presentment.

A grand jury and a presentment supervised by Frank Fina. Would it not be reasonable to conclude that Fina took the imagery of "slapping sounds" in a shower, his ears perked up like the PornDog he is, and thought "Hmmm... I can really DO SOMETHING" with this, and escalated it to the imagery of a violent sex act?

This most certainly would direct public ire onto Old Main, turn up the heat on Curley and Schultz to flip on Spanier (the real target in all this). Remember, the OAG had the not-so-secret-secret-file well before Louis Freeh was even hired and had time to discuss such a plan.

So all this panic, defamation, destruction, legal and court costs, damage to livelihoods, souring of personal and professional relationships, sewage spewed across our social media streams and gallons of spilled ink - it all comes down to a kinky, sex-obsessed state prosecutor and an unethical college sports governing agency?

Is that what I'm hearing?

It has to be more complicated because Corbett wanted this to happen, slowed the Sandusky investigation, and the CEO of Merck seemed complicit.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Can I just vent?

With today's news, the NCAA has proven itself to be greedy, corrupt and self-serving in complete disregard of their member institutions.

Frank Fina showed a complete disregard for his office and the citizenry in the commonwealth by culling, collecting and sharing extremely graphic, sexual images of women being violated, along with other kinky sex acts.

Penn State was hammered based on a lynchpin lie of a violent sex act in a grand jury presentment.

A grand jury and a presentment supervised by Frank Fina. Would it not be reasonable to conclude that Fina took the imagery of "slapping sounds" in a shower, his ears perked up like the PornDog he is, and thought "Hmmm... I can really DO SOMETHING" with this, and escalated it to the imagery of a violent sex act?

This most certainly would direct public ire onto Old Main, turn up the heat on Curley and Schultz to flip on Spanier (the real target in all this). Remember, the OAG had the not-so-secret-secret-file well before Louis Freeh was even hired and had time to discuss such a plan.

So all this panic, defamation, destruction, legal and court costs, damage to livelihoods, souring of personal and professional relationships, sewage spewed across our social media streams and gallons of spilled ink - it all comes down to a kinky, sex-obsessed state prosecutor and an unethical college sports governing agency?

Is that what I'm hearing?

Last time I checked, things done by consenting adults is a bit different than with Soapy did with children.

But, I digress. Continue on.

 

[baircub1!]

So.... Can a positive outcome on this case... Help the Paterno Lawsuit in ANY way ?

Rogue NCAA ?

Asking out of curiosity...

Interesting that it has taken USC and the California Courts to expose the fact that the NCAA "makes things up" to promote their own "stories" to influence public perception.

While this is solidly interesting when you impose "game" and "player" penalties.... I think it is TOTALLY CRIMINAL when you impose $60M fines.

The Penn State Illusion - what the OAG/BOT/Freeh/NCAA collusion has promoted - is without precedent and ABSOLUTELY needs jail time for ALL the players of this crime. Remember, we already have email evidence that indicates the NCAA "Targeted" PSU and Paterno KNOWING that there was NO organizational mandate or legal rational for them to act. Additionally, they imposed a "Death Penalty+ " set of sanctions designed to ELIMINATE PSU from fielding a real football team. Their intent was not a penalty but an active act of TOTAL DESTRUCTION FOREVER!!!!

We also know that they "conspired" with other entities (Freeh/BOT) as a means of insuring that these absurd conclusions and penalties would not have normal push-backs by the University. They needed this collusion with BOT as without it it would have been impossible for Emmert to "take" the $60M from PSU's operating budget which it promoted as a "fine". Their actual motive was using the money to establish a "slush fund" of walking money (and potentially admin fees as payment to the NCAA senior leadership).

The malicious intent of the NCAA and the specific targeting of the Penn State football program would have been publicly exposed in the PA Corman legal actions....court actions only taken because of PA politics and the NCAA fighting over control of the $60M extortion - each one wanted that money for themselves... if the NCAA-Corman case had gone to trial.

The repeal of "some" of the sanctions was only so that the "PSU fan outrage" would be reduced enough so that the NCAA was taken out immediate view in the matter. They lost and they knew it and PA politics got what it wanted - more money to support future political buy-offs.

Which brings us to the real issue....WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PATERNO SUIT exposes all the collusion in this process?? The CA courts in the USC matter have just added C-3 explosives to the PSU-NCAA fire!!!

More interesting...what happens if the OAG collusion and "rigging" of PA's courts exposes additional CRIMES committed in promoting the PSU Criminal Football ILLUSION!!!!

I don't think it legally a stretch to have the NCAA, Emmert and others there at NCAA charged with Criminal Collusion, Extortion, racketeering, money laundering (as a minimum).

While they can try to argue they didi not rob the bank....they certainly drove the get-away car!!!

 

[Obliviax]

Can I just vent?

With today's news, the NCAA has proven itself to be greedy, corrupt and self-serving in complete disregard of their member institutions.

Frank Fina showed a complete disregard for his office and the citizenry in the commonwealth by culling, collecting and sharing extremely graphic, sexual images of women being violated, along with other kinky sex acts.

Penn State was hammered based on a lynchpin lie of a violent sex act in a grand jury presentment.

A grand jury and a presentment supervised by Frank Fina. Would it not be reasonable to conclude that Fina took the imagery of "slapping sounds" in a shower, his ears perked up like the PornDog he is, and thought "Hmmm... I can really DO SOMETHING" with this, and escalated it to the imagery of a violent sex act?

This most certainly would direct public ire onto Old Main, turn up the heat on Curley and Schultz to flip on Spanier (the real target in all this). Remember, the OAG had the not-so-secret-secret-file well before Louis Freeh was even hired and had time to discuss such a plan.

So all this panic, defamation, destruction, legal and court costs, damage to livelihoods, souring of personal and professional relationships, sewage spewed across our social media streams and gallons of spilled ink - it all comes down to a kinky, sex-obsessed state prosecutor and an unethical college sports governing agency?

Is that what I'm hearing?

Nice post....that MM story never, ever made sense:

• If you've been in the locker rooms, you know how crazy "slapping sounds" from in the door lock (inside the first but still outside the second door) is. Especially over the sounds of the shower itself.
• Where MM's locker was, he had to look into the shower from the mirror. He actually states this. And this is where he said he saw the damning image. He slams his locker, turns and looks, and they are side by side. he never saw them directly, according to his testimony.
• If there was enough contact for slapping sounds, one has to assume that the child would be in agony.

This is not to exonerate JS. Its just to show that the narrative simply makes no sense. Again, I think the prosecutors knew that MM was what stood between JS getting off scott free and him being convicted. At the time, there were only a handful of victims ID'd and at least one of them changed their story.

 

[jim cummings]

Unfortunately our case is in PA.

 

[PennSt8er]

So.... Can a positive outcome on this case... Help the Paterno Lawsuit in ANY way ?

Rogue NCAA ?

Asking out of curiosity...

Yes. Very much so. It sets up a pattern of behavior that is damning for the NCAA defense.

 

[bwifan]

"McNair produced evidence that, while the (committee) had difficulty reaching a conclusion about McNair, it violated its own procedures by considering facts outside the record without affording McNair an opportunity to explain, and by allowing nonvoting members to influence the deliberations."

lmao

CR666 says this is nonsense and lies.... as he awaits the new company line from the BOT members scrambling for a liferaft

 

[PSU-Knocker]

And then there's North Carolina.

 

[Michael.Felli]

Yep! Here's how every NCAA inquiry begins.