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bourbon n blues

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I believe the Freeh report was extremely flawed. I think that Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach in history. I also believe that Joe Paterno did the right thing when he was informed about Sandusky and he followed the correct protocol. PSU treated Paterno unfairly and panicked. They threw Joe under the bus. A horrible way to treat someone who was a great man who was honest and had tremendous integrity.

Joe changed the plan.
 
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bourbon n blues

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I believe the Freeh report was extremely flawed. I think that Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach in history. I also believe that Joe Paterno did the right thing when he was informed about Sandusky and he followed the correct protocol. PSU treated Paterno unfairly and panicked. They threw Joe under the bus. A horrible way to treat someone who was a great man who was honest and had tremendous integrity.

What the idiot wrote about the election being stolen is laughable. Donald Trump is a coward. He is a lying enormous ball of gas. He is a con artist and used the presidency to grift millions from suckers. He has always been a con artist. He had a university that never existed and stole people's money. He had a charity event to raise money for the wounded warrior foundation, and he pulled another of his grifts. He used the money to pay off his campaign expenses. It goes on and on. His father taught him to never say that he lost. His father was a racist and associated with the KKK. Trump is a manipulative narcissist and has no capacity for feeling bad about lying and stealing. And the thing he does as much as lying is whining and bitching and how unfairly he is treated. He whines and whines. He never stops, it's endless. He steals steals classified documents and takes them and places them around his house in Florida. He does it. No other president has done that. It is illegal. Top secret documents. And he will use them to make money. He probably already has. And even though HE took them, and The National Archives spent over a year asking for them back, he stalls, gives them some but not all of them. Again, it just goes on and on with trump. And he is whining of course about how everyone is out to get him. Poor innocent trump. He's full of crap and so is the idiot who wrote the first post.
Btw, a whole lot of spew for an alt account.
 
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If there is not a major turnover in November, in light of all that this administration has done to tear us apart, I will know for certain that our elections are totally corrupt. There is no way the majority of Americans are dumb enough to allow these people to remain in control of our government!!!!
Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses.
 

jferretti

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Spin,

Rather than send links, let me give you some background. Then you can search readily enough from what I give you here and find both "conspiracy" and "coincidence" theories. That way, you can draw your own conclusions without my seeming to inject my own opinion. You'll find reports slanted both ways.

This first part will be some background from memory; please forgive me if I'm slightly off. The Dominion machines were new to Georgia early in 2020. Sec of State Raffensperger paid a non-Government, private contractor Gabriel Sterling something like $10.75 million to run the election. (Researching the money and Sterling might prove interesting too.)

Pretty much as soon as the election here in Georgia was over, stories of all manner of shenanigans surfaced. You can get a good sampling of the types of allegations from the Navarro report. I recall that there was an issue with the voting machine in one county (I always get the county wrong from memory; I won't guess here). The biggest issues in the wind were the abuse of Zuckerberg's ballot boxes and a video from State Farm Arena that was circulated widely. Atlanta was one of the places that shut down (the story at the time was a broken water line), sent Republican observers home, then opened back up. A Democrat woman (Ruby Freeman; her daughter Shae Moss was also involved throughout the election) was seen pulling boxes of ballots out from under a table. The ballots were then processed without Republican observation. The two women were seen in another video passing a thumb drive around; I recall a third party, a man, involved in that also. That part is a little fuzzy to me now.

After great public outcry, Raffensperger agreed to a recount. However, he announced in advance that the results of the recount wouldn't matter; the original results were going to be reported anyway. It was reported that the precincts were directed to send in the original results no matter what they found. As you might guess, no one was satisfied. So Raffy said...OK...we'll look at a small random sampling from Cobb County. (The video was from Fulton County.) This, of course, also satisfied no one. The heat was on Raffensperger and Governor Kemp. On December 3, Kemp finally announced that they would look into it...don't remember exactly if he suggested a recount, audit, or just that they would investigate any serious allegations. Though I'm not sure exactly what he promised, the date is correct. December 3. (Later, on December 30, Jovan Pulitzer demonstrated in a Senate Committee hearing that a Chinese hacker...whom he was able to identify by name...had access to the voting machines at that very moment, while the Senate runoff election was still being conducted. Reportedly, windows were shot out at his home that night. Ray Blehar told me that his group monitored the runoff election and that the total number of votes decreased about 20 times during the night.)

The rest of this was researched before I typed it:

On December 4, Kemp's daughter Lucy's boyfriend, Harrison Deal (staffer of Sen. Kelly Loeffler) was killed in a car accident near Savannah. (Trump had a rally scheduled in Savannah the day after, I believe.) The Statesboro Herald reported that a flatbed truck had struck him from behind. Multiple witnesses from up to a mile away reported hearing an explosion. The car was engulfed in flames. The Herald: "Monday afternoon, Deal's body was escorted from the GBI crime lab in Pooler to Deal Funeral Directors in Statesboro."

There were no recount, no audit, and no investigations thereafter.

James O'Sullivan was a GBI crime scene specialist. A December 16, 2020 obituary said that O'Sullivan, 51, had passed away at his residence. A cause of death was not given. (I don't know that the GBI ever confirmed that he was working on the case; I think it's widely assumed that he was. I do think I remember seeing that reported in at least one news account, but don't hold me to it.)

That should be enough to point you in the right direction. You can draw your own conclusions from whatever you find.

Thanks for your interest.

SR/BHF
Frankly sir, your conjecture about the death of Kemp's daughter's boyfriend is off the rails. And there was no conspiracy in Georgia to "rig" the elections. This State is run by Republicans and it would take a massive conspiracy involving hundreds to pull it off. Implausible is too imprecise a word to describe the odds of that happening.
 

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I believe the Freeh report was extremely flawed. I think that Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach in history. I also believe that Joe Paterno did the right thing when he was informed about Sandusky and he followed the correct protocol. PSU treated Paterno unfairly and panicked. They threw Joe under the bus. A horrible way to treat someone who was a great man who was honest and had tremendous integrity.

What the idiot wrote about the election being stolen is laughable. Donald Trump is a coward. He is a lying enormous ball of gas. He is a con artist and used the presidency to grift millions from suckers. He has always been a con artist. He had a university that never existed and stole people's money. He had a charity event to raise money for the wounded warrior foundation, and he pulled another of his grifts. He used the money to pay off his campaign expenses. It goes on and on. His father taught him to never say that he lost. His father was a racist and associated with the KKK. Trump is a manipulative narcissist and has no capacity for feeling bad about lying and stealing. And the thing he does as much as lying is whining and bitching and how unfairly he is treated. He whines and whines. He never stops, it's endless. He steals steals classified documents and takes them and places them around his house in Florida. He does it. No other president has done that. It is illegal. Top secret documents. And he will use them to make money. He probably already has. And even though HE took them, and The National Archives spent over a year asking for them back, he stalls, gives them some but not all of them. Again, it just goes on and on with trump. And he is whining of course about how everyone is out to get him. Poor innocent trump. He's full of crap and so is the idiot who wrote the first post.
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jferretti

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I only started reading this board recently, haven't posted on it before, and probably won't again. Some might remember me from the McAndrew Board. I recognize a few of you. I had read the Freeh Report, recognized it for the garbage it was, and decided to look into it. I thought I'd take a couple weeks, see if I could figure out what really happened, and maybe write a few pages or so of analysis. Five years, two round trips from Georgia to State College and back, and over 1000 pages (about 140 of which were passed along to the Feds) later, I ended up posting a series ("Feckless") covering the trustees in place at the time because that's where the trail led me. I stopped pretty much because I had worked some with Ray Blehar in the process, and he was doing what I was doing, only better.

I was entirely apolitical until the 90s, when I became a single-issue voter against activist/corrupt judges for reasons entirely unrelated to politics. I'm pretty much still there. I'm a registered independent and honestly don't have much use for either party. I don't see things in terms of red and blue...more like black and white, right and wrong. And if I'm driving straight on "Candid," don't expect to see me make a left on "Tactful." (Barry Fenchak lite?) That "Feckless" series could have been one sentence: "Yep, Joe did it" if that's where my investigation led. I'm glad it didn't, but facts would have been facts. I've thought for a long time that the Democrat and Republican establishment are a whole lot more like each other than either of them are like you or me. I'm sure of it now.

I smelled a rat by about Page 3 of the Freeh Report (paraphrased: "We didn't talk to anybody who knew anything. Nevertheless, we're giving you a complete, comprehensive, balls on accurate account of the whole situation. Pinky swear."), and by about 7:00 a.m. the morning after the election, I got a whiff of that same aroma. So I started paying closer attention and doing some homework, reading up on laws, looking at transcripts of court cases, watching interviews and legislative hearings, etc. There's really only one point I want to make here; I'll try to do it as briefly as I can. (Too late for that, huh?)

Start with this. There are three possibilities: 1. There was no fraud in the election. (If that's your belief, you can stop reading now. Of course there was. There always is. For Pete's sake, the next honest election in Philadelphia will be the first. So just stop it.); 2. There was some fraud in the election, but not enough to change the result. (OK. I'm listening.); or 3. There was significant fraud in the election, enough to change the result. (Hey...I said I was listening. Whatta ya got?)

BIDEN 306 TRUMP 232

WISCONSIN (10 electoral votes) The Supreme Court of Wisconsin recently ruled that the drop boxes are and were illegal. Those votes alone were enough to flip Wisconsin. (Over 500,000 questionable votes in Wisconsin altogether) BIDEN 296 TRUMP 242

GEORGIA (16 electoral votes) The number of underage (illegal) voters alone were enough to flip Georgia. (Over 600,000 questionable votes in Georgia altogether) BIDEN 280 TRUMP 258

ARIZONA (11 electoral votes) The number of non-citizen (illegal) voters alone were enough to flip Arizona. (Over 250,000 questionable votes in Arizona altogether) BIDEN 269 TRUMP 269

NEVADA (6 electoral votes) The number of voters who (illegally) double voted were enough to flip Nevada. (Over 200,000 questionable votes in Nevada altogether) TRUMP 275 BIDEN 263

MICHIGAN (16 electoral votes) The number of (illegal) voters with no registration numbers alone were enough to flip Michigan. The number of votes processed without observation were too. (Let's be real here. There is only one reason that every one of these states has a law requiring accommodation of poll observers. And it's the same only reason that anyone would interfere with observation.) TRUMP 288 BIDEN 250

So there's a case. The numbers of illegal votes shown above in those few states would have been enough to turn the election. I stopped at the low hanging fruit and hadn't even gotten to PENNSYLVANIA (20 electoral votes; nearly 1,000,000 questionable votes) or VIRGINIA (13 electoral votes; 300,000 votes flipped from TRUMP to BIDEN at about 5:00 the morning of November 4, compromised voting machines subject to outside manipulation (the ultimate backstop; proven in Antrim County, Michigan; I witnessed with my own two eyes a Chinese hacker with access in real time during the Georgia Senate runoff), the unhealthy percentage of adjudicated ballots, vehicles full of ballots showing up in the middle of the night (Michigan), for days afterward (Arizona), or "disappearing" altogether (Pennsylvania), etc. I think you get the idea. Evidence isn't proof...the other side gets to make a case too...but it is evidence. We've been told from November 4 forward there was none. Admit it...if you saw REPUBLICAN Ruby Freeman rolling boxes out from under that table in the middle of the night in Atlanta after DEMOCRAT observers had been sent home with enough ballots to flip the election from BIDEN to TRUMP...you'd be sure there was chicanery afoot. And you'd almost certainly be right.

My point is this: When Al Gore had issues with the 2000 election, all we heard from Democrats and the media was that "every vote must count." Fair enough. And whether you believe the 2020 election was stolen or not, Trump didn't make any of this stuff up and had the right...and I would argue, the obligation...to use every legal challenge (I can discuss each one, including January 6, but I won't) available to "save democracy" by ensuring that there were good and valid answers to these concerns, and that the election had indeed, been fair. But Trump supporters have been mocked, intimidated, threatened, disbarred, and arrested, and we've all just endured a one-sided, Communist-style show trial with threatened prosecution for crying out loud, as the cherry on top...for challenging an election where there was plenty of evidence that he very well might have won. All of that is very, very dangerous...and just plain wrong. My point (finally): Whether Trump actually won the election or not, he absolutely had valid reason to believe he did, with plenty of figures to back it up. The underlying narrative was/is "The Big Lie." No one....NO ONE...can possibly be sure of that. (A buddy of mine just fact checked me on that. He says I'm good.)

Yes, Trump called Brad Raffensperger and asked/pushed him to disqualify a number of illegal votes. Illegal votes. I read the NYT article, then listened to a recording of the call. A "Time" article I read suggests the Democrats were doing some pretty intense lobbying themselves about that time. After Raffensperger tap danced around it a time or two, Georgia Governor Kemp realized he was polling slightly behind COVID-19 and hinted one night that a recount/audit might not be a bad idea. The next day, a boyfriend of his daughter was blown up in his car. Not died in a crash. Blown up. So much for the recount/audit. The investigator (FBI or GBI?) assigned to the case had a very short life span himself, meeting an unfortunate demise a couple weeks later. All coincidence, no doubt. A less than persuasive phone call. A car blowing up. Which got more attention? Which would you prefer to experience?

My interest in this is 0% Donald Trump and 100% fair and honest elections. And before I go, I'll point out that there are more than a few people out there who are pretty sure the two instances I cited above were not the only times hackers were having their way with those voting machines. Interesting that neither Democrats nor Republicans want us anywhere near them. In fact, I daresay those machines and their continued use are being better protected than Hunter Biden. (OK...if you know me at all, you know I had to do that at least once.) Wonder why that would be? I'll leave with a message for both Democrats and Republicans: Surrrre....just give me a call any time for a campaign contribution! Could be fun!

Yeah...you can look for that check in the mail.

There. I said my piece. You guys can have the last word. And if you're inclined to ignore the material and attack me personally, have at it. I'm bald and ugly too.

Thanks for listening.


SR/BHF
By the way, much of what you write about here has been debunked. Read the 70+ page report by Ben Ginsberg, et al. (Republicans all)
 

bourbon n blues

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Frankly sir, your conjecture about the death of Kemp's daughter's boyfriend is off the rails. And there was no conspiracy in Georgia to "rig" the elections. This State is run by Republicans and it would take a massive conspiracy involving hundreds to pull it off. Implausible is too imprecise a word to describe the odds of that happening.
It’s not “run” by republicans . And with the tossing aside of election security itches easy to manufacture votes on a predominantly democrat city.
 
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Frankly sir, your conjecture about the death of Kemp's daughter's boyfriend is off the rails. And there was no conspiracy in Georgia to "rig" the elections. This State is run by Republicans and it would take a massive conspiracy involving hundreds to pull it off. Implausible is too imprecise a word to describe the odds of that happening.
But elections are locally run.
 

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My point (finally): Whether Trump actually won the election or not, he absolutely had valid reason to believe he did, with plenty of figures to back it up. The underlying narrative was/is "The Big Lie." No one....NO ONE...can possibly be sure of that. (A buddy of mine just fact checked me on that. He says I'm good.)
Well thank God your buddy fact checked you and told you that you're good. That pretty much ends the inquiry. LULZ ...
 

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