Oh my, what does John Stewart do now....

WPTLION

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The fact that John Stewart has done good work doesn't preclude others from doing good work as well. I totally agree, Gary Sinise has done good work. The Republican Senate and Republican politicians in general, not so much. They talk a good game, but when it comes time to back up their words, they come up short.
Rudy Giuliani was a horror show when it came the health of 911 first responders. (My sister is a DOL attorney who handled many of the claims). Donny famously held a fund raiser for vets in early 2016 instead of participating in a debate. He "forgot" to turn the proceeds over to the Vets until the liberal rag WAPO called him out on it 3-4 months after the event.
LIE MUCH?
 
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At one time, about three decades ago, some in Congress pressed for a line item veto to thwart this very problem -- the addition of harmful pork to bills that would otherwise be not only popular, but necessary. It would have covered all but the problem we now face -- an entire government full of Democratic Socialists, with a far left agenda that isn't even popular with the majority of the public.

The root-cause problem we face was the loss of an independent media. Now most of the media plays right along in the corruption, with what they decide to report, and how they report it. Education too, completely infiltrated by Chinese influence, and now so far left that it will never recover. Enter a young generation of socialists that don't see the harm in big government.

It's these root-cause problems that lead me to the belief that the country is ultimately lost. Due to the pandemic, now sooner than later. This realization has actually impacted my health. The best pill I could take would be to never see another Democrat in government, ever. But I don't see how that happens. Dems control key polling locations while wrecking those areas so badly that the solution -- more business -- is fleeing. Voters are then left only with turning to the government for help. I have to believe this is part of the Marxist strategy.
 

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Obviously, very difficult for the Dems. They do this sh&t all the time. This is particularly true when it comes to the military. They hold sh&t up all the time to hold military funding hostage.
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The thing that makes me madder than anything else is that GOP seems incapable of pointing out that dem bills have so much pork that it diminishes the good things of the bill, just like this. How hard is for all republican congress and senate issue statement to that effect and specifically address Stewart?
 

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An altered state
At one time, about three decades ago, some in Congress pressed for a line item veto to thwart this very problem -- the addition of harmful pork to bills that would otherwise be not only popular, but necessary. It would have covered all but the problem we now face -- an entire government full of Democratic Socialists, with a far left agenda that isn't even popular with the majority of the public.

The root-cause problem we face was the loss of an independent media. Now most of the media plays right along in the corruption, with what they decide to report, and how they report it. Education too, completely infiltrated by Chinese influence, and now so far left that it will never recover. Enter a young generation of socialists that don't see the harm in big government.

It's these root-cause problems that lead me to the belief that the country is ultimately lost. Due to the pandemic, now sooner than later. This realization has actually impacted my health. The best pill I could take would be to never see another Democrat in government, ever. But I don't see how that happens. Dems control key polling locations while wrecking those areas so badly that the solution -- more business -- is fleeing. Voters are then left only with turning to the government for help. I have to believe this is part of the Marxist strategy.
The line item veto was actually passed and signed into law by the Gingrich Congress in 1998 and signed into law by Bill Clinton. He used it multiple times for two years but New York City and others sued in federal courts and it was ruled unconstitutional.......IIRC in 2000. Alas, it would take an amendment to reinstate it now.😟
 
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The line item veto was actually passed and signed into law by the Gingrich Congress in 1998 and signed into law by Bill Clinton. He used it multiple times for two years but New York City and others sued in federal courts and it was ruled unconstitutional.......IIRC in 2000. Alas, it would take an amendment to reinstate it now.😟

Thanks for the correction. Apparently the law was passed in 1996 by a Republican Congress (incredibly, with a Democratic POTUS) but was quickly struck down in 1998 by a New York City lawsuit backed by Democrat Patrick Moynihan. That suit apparently rose to the Supreme Court. According to the WSJ, New York was concerned that it could lose billions in Medicaid funding.

I do think some Republicans like their pork, but it's nothing compared to what we see on the other side of the aisle. I wish the Founding Fathers could have foreseen this kind of future corruption, the packing of disparate issues into a single bill. The result has been a growing federal government that now replaces roles that were intended for the states.
 

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At one time, about three decades ago, some in Congress pressed for a line item veto to thwart this very problem -- the addition of harmful pork to bills that would otherwise be not only popular, but necessary. It would have covered all but the problem we now face -- an entire government full of Democratic Socialists, with a far left agenda that isn't even popular with the majority of the public.

The root-cause problem we face was the loss of an independent media. Now most of the media plays right along in the corruption, with what they decide to report, and how they report it. Education too, completely infiltrated by Chinese influence, and now so far left that it will never recover. Enter a young generation of socialists that don't see the harm in big government.

It's these root-cause problems that lead me to the belief that the country is ultimately lost. Due to the pandemic, now sooner than later. This realization has actually impacted my health. The best pill I could take would be to never see another Democrat in government, ever. But I don't see how that happens. Dems control key polling locations while wrecking those areas so badly that the solution -- more business -- is fleeing. Voters are then left only with turning to the government for help. I have to believe this is part of the Marxist strategy.
KWSN
What you say is correct and the D's simply because they like to spend money are worse but BOTH parties do this and both parties are part of the problem,
the reasons are pretty simple really. It is their money it is ours.
. the more money they spend the more powerful they are
. If you get elected to D.C. it is much easier to solve problems by spending money than saying be responsible, live within your means and don't look to Mother Washington solve every problem we have.
 

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Thanks for the correction. Apparently the law was passed in 1996 by a Republican Congress (incredibly, with a Democratic POTUS) but was quickly struck down in 1998 by a New York City lawsuit backed by Democrat Patrick Moynihan. That suit apparently rose to the Supreme Court. According to the WSJ, New York was concerned that it could lose billions in Medicaid funding.

I do think some Republicans like their pork, but it's nothing compared to what we see on the other side of the aisle. I wish the Founding Fathers could have foreseen this kind of future corruption, the packing of disparate issues into a single bill. The result has been a growing federal government that now replaces roles that were intended for the states.
Was off by two years! Was very saddened when the veto was struck down.
 
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The fact that John Stewart has done good work doesn't preclude others from doing good work as well. I totally agree, Gary Sinise has done good work. The Republican Senate and Republican politicians in general, not so much. They talk a good game, but when it comes time to back up their words, they come up short.
Rudy Giuliani was a horror show when it came the health of 911 first responders. (My sister is a DOL attorney who handled many of the claims). Donny famously held a fund raiser for vets in early 2016 instead of participating in a debate. He "forgot" to turn the proceeds over to the Vets until the liberal rag WAPO called him out on it 3-4 months after the event.
Is there anybody trump hasn‘t grifted? He even steals from his own followers, which makes them double suckers.
 
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Did Trump grift you too, Jason?? Some really dumb libtards on this board.
I wouldn't give Donald a Kleenex if he was having an allergy attack. BTW, the term "libtard" is offensive and makes you look nasty and childish.
 

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I wouldn't give Donald a Kleenex if he was having an allergy attack. BTW, the term "libtard" is offensive and makes you look nasty and childish.

Thanks, libtard. Trumptard is offensive as well, but you seem to be OK with that.

maypole stated that everyone has been grifted by Trump which would include you. And you agreed with him. So you need to resolve your contradicting statements.

Think before posting, libtard.
 
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Thanks, libtard. Trumptard is offensive as well, but you seem to be OK with that.

maypole stated that everyone has been grifted by Trump which would include you. And you agreed with him. So you need to resolve your contradicting statements.

Think before posting, libtard.
I didn’t say everybody, just stupid people who believe all his many lies, like you, asshole trumptard.
 

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That is a shit-ton of money. What exactly was that $400 billion earmarked for, anyway? Rainy day spending fund?
 
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Not quite. It was a separate bill that got the Nazis panties in a bunch.
“Republicans are mad that Democrats are on the verge of passing climate change legislation and have decided to take out their anger on vulnerable veterans,” Murphy argued. “News emerged that there is an agreement that makes it likely that a climate change bill is going to proceed on the Senate floor, and magically 30 votes flip.”
quoting murphy on a dem-republican controversy is kind of lame. Murphy is as partisan as they come.
 
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Thanks, libtard. Trumptard is offensive as well, but you seem to be OK with that.

maypole stated that everyone has been grifted by Trump which would include you. And you agreed with him. So you need to resolve your contradicting statements.

Think before posting, libtard.
Call me names all you want , I’m better at that game than they are. Think of a more muscular Red Foreman.
 

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Typical of a Hollywood has-been trying to look relevant after his days as a celeb are well over, Stewart (a Leftist liar) came out strong against the Republicans for killing a veterans' health care bill on a procedural vote. Stewart (the new self-proclaimed champion of vets everywhere) alleged the mean old Republicans hate vets and were just trying to harm the Big Guy by opposing passage of the bill. He noted that Ted Cruz and other rep Senators were fist bumping and smiling after they accomplished their evil act.

He made the rounds to all the Leftist Sunday talk shows and (in his best celeb turned activist mode) screamed and cursed and he really REALLY put a serious, disgusted look on his unshaven face .... so he must have really REALLY had the Reps by the short curly ones this time, right?

Well, no. In fact, it turns out the Republicans were all for the bill until the Dem/Soc leadership in the Senate tried to insert a provision into bill (buried in an obscure provision) that would make $400 Billion in UNRELATED spending permanent instead of discretionary. Oops. Senator Toomey (and Cruz) and the Congressional bi-partisan watchdogs who oversee such bills all told the world what was going on, but Stewart insisted that the House version and the Senate version were identical and that those evil Republican rascals were LYING. They really REALLY hate the nations' veterans.

Since then, it has been verified that the Dem/Soc did insert the provision, thinking that if it went unnoticed they would get another big win the only way they know how to.... by deception and lies. If it was discovered and the Reps voted against it, well, they had the John Stewarts of this world (and the board Leftist bobbleheads) to whip up anger against the Republicans, knowing their supporters were either too dumb or too loyal to look into it and acknowledge what had actually happened.

So, now, here is how things stand:
1. The Dem/Soc have been caught using needed veteran health services as a ploy in their covert attempt to spend yet more money in an inflationary economy. They now look like the Dem/Soc party who hates veterans and just used them for their own purposes just to make the Reps look bad. That should get them a lot of veteran votes in November.
2. Sen. Toomey reiterated that the Reps would overwhelmingly support the bill as originally written and without the Dem/Soc sneaky provision included in it. He's filed an amendment to that effect.
3. Major veteran organizations have come out and called Stewart and the Dem/Socs out for their attempted deception and agreed with the Reps that the health provisions should pass and the unrelated spending provisions must go. They also said to Stewart, "You aren't a vet. You don't speak for vets." STFU and go away. No one asked you to "help" us at all.

Was Stewart too dumb to figure this out? Or was he totally aware of what was going on and, in the tradition of so many Hollywood and sports celebs, just thought he could convince people if he really REALLY came out strong with his lies?

I suggest he shave and go back to every show he spread his lies on and recant his story and apologize for being a dumbass (or a liar). I'm sure he'll take the high road.....it's the Leftist way, isn't it?
When are we going to get together buddy?