Myer cut off from facilities and player contact.
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How do you know that it wasn't? Just because it wasn't publicly reported?
I'd sure hate to be the student manager that has to email him copies of the practice tapes to his home email address.
They need to at least pretend the investigation is real. He'll be in HV this fall, maybe his first game back.
There are rumors that Meyer has been in contact with recruits and parents, which I would assume to be not allowed based upon the article. He can not use University communication devices, no university email, etc...doubt he is using his personal cell phone.
No idea if the rumors are true.
4th game back.
The wrestling scandal and now this. A clear lack of institutional control. What's Emmert waiting for?
180 degree version:
That's unusual....the wife's mother doesn't believe her own daughter?
BY JEFF SNOOK
Lynn Bruce, mother of fired Ohio State receivers coach Zach Smith and daughter of the late Earle Bruce, told me last night that her ex-daughter-in-law Courtney Carano Smith vowed as far back as 2013 that she would “take Zach down and take Urban Meyer down with him.”
“She told me that not one time, but in fact she said it several times over the years,” Bruce said.
She was driven by revenge when she found out her husband had cheated on her, Bruce said.
“When she found out five years ago that Zach had cheated on her, she was so angry that she vowed to me she would get back at him someday. And she said she would take Urban down, too,” she said. “And this is exactly what she did. She wanted to do as much damage as possible.
“She has been planning this for some time.”
Bruce said that Courtney’s mother, Tina Carano, also heard her daughter state her plans against her husband for his infidelities. The mother and daughter have become estranged over the issue, Bruce claimed. She said Tina Carano also believes Zach Smith never struck her daughter.
“Her own mother is backing Zach in this issue and I am sure that makes her mad,” she said. “They do not speak anymore.”
Reached this afternoon, Tina Carano would only communicate via text messages and backed Lynn Bruce’s version.
When asked if she believed her daughter’s claims of physical abuse, she replied, “I believe that Zach was removing himself from an argument and I do not believe he intentionally abused her. I do not believe he actually intentionally swung or punched her … no.”
As far as ever hearing her daughter say she would “take Zach down,” she replied, “Yes.”
And when Meyer’s name was mentioned, she added, “I cannot quote her exact words as I don’t remember them word for word, but something to that extent. This is my daughter and I love her but I do not approve of what she has done and how it was done.”
Following that text, she did not respond to follow-up questions.
Zach Smith, hired as receivers coach when Meyer accepted the Ohio State head coaching job in December, 2011, was fired July 23 when a criminal trespass charge against him came to light. The couple was divorced in 2015 and his ex-wife had called the Powell, Ohio, Police Department in May following a dispute concerning a meeting location for Smith to drop off the couple’s 8-year-old son. That led to his dismissal by Ohio State.
However, Bruce still defended Meyer, who is currently on paid-administrative leave from the university, saying he would never allow a coach who hit his wife to remain on his coaching staff.
“Urban did exactly what he was supposed to do,” she said. “He passed it on whenever something came up. Urban Meyer would never retain an assistant coach who beats his wife, no matter who that man’s grandfather is. I was heartbroken when he fired Zach.”
Courtney called 911 so often, Bruce claimed, that the responding Powell police officers grew tired of dealing with her. She said that explains the reported nine police calls to Courtney’s home at 358 Bear Woods Drive in Powell, a Columbus suburb, between 2012 and 2018, none of which resulted in charges against Zach Smith.
The Powell police department has not released those reports, other than to say there were no charges.
“Each time the police would arrive and investigate, and each time there was nothing to back her claims of physical abuse,” she said. “It was her way at getting back at Zach. She would just call 911 over an argument, which she usually started. The Powell police got to know the situation. I don’t believe for a minute he ever struck her one time and neither does her own mother – and neither do the Powell police.”
Bruce said she never would have defended Zach if she thought her son had struck his wife.
“I was raised by my dad and when my kids were in school, I told them if anything happens that they are guilty until proven innocent,” she explained. “I would back the teachers or administrators. I talked to him about these issues and I would still love him, but if I thought he hit her, I would force him to get professional help. He was raised to respect women. I believe him and I witnessed so many incidents in which she was the aggressor … I know what happened and I also know he would never hit a woman.”
At Big Ten media days on July 24 in Chicago, when he addressed Smith’s firing of a day earlier, Meyer was questioned about an incident Oct. 25, 2015, involving the couple.
He answered, “I received a text about it last night. There was nothing. I don’t know who creates a story like that.” It is unclear if he was referring to whether the incident occurred or whether Smith was arrested at the time. He wasn't.
When pressed why he then fired Smith a day earlier and just a week before summer camp opened, Meyer said he it was a personnel issue and didn’t want to elaborate, but did call the firing “a group effort.”
Lynn Bruce predicted that when the Powell police department’s reports are made public, they will back up her son’s claim that there is no evidence that he ever hit his wife.
Asked to explain Courtney’s pictures showing her arms and neck with red marks, which reporter Brett McMurphy placed on his Facebook page Aug. 1, Bruce said, “I witnessed what she did several times: She would get in his face and block his path while screaming at him. One time when I was there, he was trying to walk down the steps and she blocked him so he couldn’t leave the house. He couldn’t get by her and he had to leave, so he just picked her up by the arms and placed her to the side, so he could walk by and walk out the door. When he did that, I am sure that would leave red marks on her arms. It would if he picked me up and moved me, too. Then she would take a picture.
“She was the aggressor. She was always very confrontational with him.”
(Meyer was placed on leave by the university the day the pictures were made public on McMurphy’s Facebook page.)
Despite the constant arguments, Bruce said her son did not want to leave his wife because of their two children, now 8 and 6 years old.
“He just never wanted to leave his kids,” she said. “He tried to stay with her and work it out. He is a great father who wanted to be with his kids.”
• Bruce said Courtney frequently called her to complain about Zach. “Another time she called me and I went over there and she was screaming at him while he was sitting on the couch. I told her to take the kids and go upstairs. I walked over to him and Zach was just sitting there with tears in his eyes. He said, ‘Mom, she’s really crazy.’”
The Smiths, who met as undergraduates at the University of Kentucky, were married in Columbus in 2008; They separated June 6, 2015, and Courtney Smith filed for divorce Nov. 12, 2015.
Among other revelations, Bruce claimed:
• Courtney Smith soon grew weary of being the wife of a college football coach at a big-time program. “I once loved her like a daughter,” Lynn Bruce explained. “Before they got married, we sat her down and said this is what life is going to be like for you if he goes to the level of coaching he wants to go. He was driven to succeed in the business and he slept at the office. I know it was difficult for her, with him being away, but that’s a coach’s life and we told her all about it ahead of time.”
• Courtney Smith, 33, is estranged from her mother, Tina Carano, because of her allegations that Zach Smith physically abused her. “Tina believes Zach and she is on his side through all this. She knows what her own daughter is like. She thinks she has serious problems and she knows she planned this whole thing.”
Bruce also said Tina Carano recently called WTVN 610 radio’s sports talk show with the intent to discuss the matter anonymously. “She wanted Zach’s side to come out, but she didn’t want to give her identity,” she said. “So they never put her on the air.”
• Earle Bruce, the Buckeyes’ head coach 1979-87, never spoke to Courtney Smith following his grandson’s arrest June 21, 2009 in Gainesville, Fla., and never tried to talk her out of pressing charges as she alleged in a televised interview last week. Courtney, then pregnant with the couple’s first child, claimed her husband grabbed her by the neck and pushed her against a wall. At the time, Zach was a graduate assistant coach under Meyer for the Florida Gators. The charge was later dropped and Courtney Smith said in a recent televised interview and also told McMurphy that Earle Bruce tried to talk her out of pressing charges against his grandson. That never happened, Lynn Bruce maintained. “Courtney called me at 3 a.m. about that fight and I told Dad I was driving down to Florida to deal with this. He wanted to go with me,” Bruce recalled. “When we arrived, I talked to Courtney alone and Dad went to speak to Urban and Zack. Dad never even saw her on that trip. Then when I heard her use Dad’s name in that TV interview, claiming he told her not to press charges, I wanted to jump through my TV set. Not only would he would never, ever tell her something like that, he never talked to her at all. That is just another thing she has lied about.” Earle Bruce died April 20 in Columbus.
• Both Smiths have moved on to new relationships, complicating the issue of raising their two children. “During spring practice this year, she called Zach one night and told him, ‘I am going to Florida tomorrow with my boyfriend, you have got to take the kids,’” Bruce remembered. “Zach said, ‘Wait a minute, I am in the middle of spring ball … ,’ but he made it work with our help. She promised to FaceTime the kids when she was gone, but she never did in those four days in Florida. I was keeping the kids one day and Zach had told me, ‘Mom, have the phone ready if she calls so they can see her and talk to her.’ But we never heard from her, so finally on the fourth day, Zach FaceTimed her with the kids and the kids let her know they were angry with her about her not calling them. She was so mad at Zach about that that she hung up and then called the Powell police from Florida and claimed, ‘My kids are in danger!’ The police arrived and saw the kids playing a game on the floor. They just shook their heads and left. She already had used up any credibility she had with the Powell police. They knew what she was about.”
• Zach Smith, 34, also is the father of a 1-year-old daughter from his current relationship. “When she found out about his new girlfriend, she got mad at him all over again,” Bruce said. “She told me about a year and a half ago, ‘I think we really are soulmates, so maybe someday when we both grow up, it will work out and we will be together.’ I think she still loves him in a warped, sick kind of way and I still think he loves her in a warped, sick kind of way.”
• Zach Smith paid Courtney alimony and child support since the two divorced, and was earning $340,000 under his recent contract, which was terminated with his firing.
• As far as the May 12 incident which ultimately led to Smith’s firing, the couple argued over the location in which he was supposed to drop off their son. Lynn Bruce was with Zach and grandson at the time, hosting a party of more than 100 people. Her birthday was the following day, May 13. “She was calling and demanding he bring Cameron back immediately,” Bruce recalled. “If he didn’t, she said she would call the police and claim he kidnapped him. So he drove him to the clubhouse of where she lived as she had told him to do. She wasn’t there. So then he drove the short distance to her driveway, and planned to drop him off at the edge of the driveway. When he pulled up, she was standing there with a camera, taking pictures.” Courtney Smith then called the Powell police, who issued a criminal trespass citation, a misdemeanor, to Zach Smith. Zach Smith then called the Powell police and in a tape of the call I recently received, he asked, “I was calling because I am divorced. My ex-wife likes to call the Powell police a lot. I need to find out if there is anything (filed) with the Powell police that restricts me from going anyway near her residence?” The officer responds, “Have you been served with any sort of protection order?” Smith answers, “No sir. I have been served with nothing.” The officer then says, “OK, then there is nothing that says you have to stay a certain amount of feet away from her residence or work or anything like that. That is not something we would know until we run your social (security number) and driver’s license to see if anything pops up.” When Smith thanked the officer, the officer responded, “I can relate more than you would know, believe me!” Smith then called his lawyer, who confirmed there was no protection order in place. He has pleaded not guilty on June 5 and the case is yet resolved.
• Courtney Smith then was granted an order of protection in July 20, which was filed in Delaware County.
• Zach Smith defended Meyer to his mother after the firing, saying, “Mom, they had no choice with everything else going on at the university (referring to the scandal involving the late wrestling team doctor Richard Strauss and sexual abuse allegations that spanned decades).”
• The May 12 incident wasn’t the first time Courtney had threatened to accuse Zach of kidnapping, according to Bruce, who said she did it as recently as this past season’s Cotton Bowl in Arlington, Texas. “She actually packed the kids’ suitcases and labeled their outfits for the trip,” Bruce explained. “And then for some reason, when they are in Dallas, she got mad and threatened to call the police, saying he had kidnapped them to Texas.”
• In another incident in November, 2015, when the couple was separated, Bruce said that Courtney Smith called the Powell police and accused her ex-husband was stalking her. “Someone in the neighborhood told her a black truck drove through the area at 2 a.m. and she determined it had to be Zach,” she said. “It turned out that he was out of the state recruiting at the time. That’s just how obsessed she became at getting back at him.”
Part of the evidence Courtney Smith provided McMurphy were texts from Shelley Meyer, Urban Meyer’s wife, among which said, “He scares me,” referring to Zach Smith.
“Shelley is a psych nurse and was trying to appease her and to try to calm her down,” Bruce said. “The bottom line is my son didn’t abuse her, after all those claims she made. The Powell police know that now and Urban knows that, too. And now, Shelley Meyer knows it, too, despite those previous texts. In recent years, Urban and Shelley really worried about Courtney’s stability. They found out what we knew a long time ago – that she acts crazy, especially when she drinks too much. She would do anything to get back at Zach and they fought more when alcohol was involved. It was common knowledge.
“And now she has. She got what she wanted. Zach got fired and Urban (is on paid administrative leave and the subject of the investigation) … She is getting exactly what she wanted, having done what she said she would do years ago. This whole mess is horrible … ”
Ohio State announced Monday that the six-person committee investigating the issue and Meyer’s involvement should conclude its work “within 14 days.”
The Buckeyes open the season Sept. 1 at home against Oregon State. If Meyer returns, it would be his seventh season as Ohio State's head coach.
That's unusual....the wife's mother doesn't believe her own daughter?
BY JEFF SNOOK
Lynn Bruce, mother of fired Ohio State receivers coach Zach Smith and daughter of the late Earle Bruce, told me last night that her ex-daughter-in-law Courtney Carano Smith vowed as far back as 2013 that she would “take Zach down and take Urban Meyer down with him.”
“She told me that not one time, but in fact she said it several times over the years,” Bruce said.
She was driven by revenge when she found out her husband had cheated on her, Bruce said.
“When she found out five years ago that Zach had cheated on her, she was so angry that she vowed to me she would get back at him someday. And she said she would take Urban down, too,” she said. “And this is exactly what she did. She wanted to do as much damage as possible.
“She has been planning this for some time.”
Bruce said that Courtney’s mother, Tina Carano, also heard her daughter state her plans against her husband for his infidelities. The mother and daughter have become estranged over the issue, Bruce claimed. She said Tina Carano also believes Zach Smith never struck her daughter.
“Her own mother is backing Zach in this issue and I am sure that makes her mad,” she said. “They do not speak anymore.”
Reached this afternoon, Tina Carano would only communicate via text messages and backed Lynn Bruce’s version.
When asked if she believed her daughter’s claims of physical abuse, she replied, “I believe that Zach was removing himself from an argument and I do not believe he intentionally abused her. I do not believe he actually intentionally swung or punched her … no.”
As far as ever hearing her daughter say she would “take Zach down,” she replied, “Yes.”
And when Meyer’s name was mentioned, she added, “I cannot quote her exact words as I don’t remember them word for word, but something to that extent. This is my daughter and I love her but I do not approve of what she has done and how it was done.”
Following that text, she did not respond to follow-up questions.
Zach Smith, hired as receivers coach when Meyer accepted the Ohio State head coaching job in December, 2011, was fired July 23 when a criminal trespass charge against him came to light. The couple was divorced in 2015 and his ex-wife had called the Powell, Ohio, Police Department in May following a dispute concerning a meeting location for Smith to drop off the couple’s 8-year-old son. That led to his dismissal by Ohio State.
However, Bruce still defended Meyer, who is currently on paid-administrative leave from the university, saying he would never allow a coach who hit his wife to remain on his coaching staff.
“Urban did exactly what he was supposed to do,” she said. “He passed it on whenever something came up. Urban Meyer would never retain an assistant coach who beats his wife, no matter who that man’s grandfather is. I was heartbroken when he fired Zach.”
Courtney called 911 so often, Bruce claimed, that the responding Powell police officers grew tired of dealing with her. She said that explains the reported nine police calls to Courtney’s home at 358 Bear Woods Drive in Powell, a Columbus suburb, between 2012 and 2018, none of which resulted in charges against Zach Smith.
The Powell police department has not released those reports, other than to say there were no charges.
“Each time the police would arrive and investigate, and each time there was nothing to back her claims of physical abuse,” she said. “It was her way at getting back at Zach. She would just call 911 over an argument, which she usually started. The Powell police got to know the situation. I don’t believe for a minute he ever struck her one time and neither does her own mother – and neither do the Powell police.”
Bruce said she never would have defended Zach if she thought her son had struck his wife.
“I was raised by my dad and when my kids were in school, I told them if anything happens that they are guilty until proven innocent,” she explained. “I would back the teachers or administrators. I talked to him about these issues and I would still love him, but if I thought he hit her, I would force him to get professional help. He was raised to respect women. I believe him and I witnessed so many incidents in which she was the aggressor … I know what happened and I also know he would never hit a woman.”
At Big Ten media days on July 24 in Chicago, when he addressed Smith’s firing of a day earlier, Meyer was questioned about an incident Oct. 25, 2015, involving the couple.
He answered, “I received a text about it last night. There was nothing. I don’t know who creates a story like that.” It is unclear if he was referring to whether the incident occurred or whether Smith was arrested at the time. He wasn't.
When pressed why he then fired Smith a day earlier and just a week before summer camp opened, Meyer said he it was a personnel issue and didn’t want to elaborate, but did call the firing “a group effort.”
Lynn Bruce predicted that when the Powell police department’s reports are made public, they will back up her son’s claim that there is no evidence that he ever hit his wife.
Asked to explain Courtney’s pictures showing her arms and neck with red marks, which reporter Brett McMurphy placed on his Facebook page Aug. 1, Bruce said, “I witnessed what she did several times: She would get in his face and block his path while screaming at him. One time when I was there, he was trying to walk down the steps and she blocked him so he couldn’t leave the house. He couldn’t get by her and he had to leave, so he just picked her up by the arms and placed her to the side, so he could walk by and walk out the door. When he did that, I am sure that would leave red marks on her arms. It would if he picked me up and moved me, too. Then she would take a picture.
“She was the aggressor. She was always very confrontational with him.”
(Meyer was placed on leave by the university the day the pictures were made public on McMurphy’s Facebook page.)
Despite the constant arguments, Bruce said her son did not want to leave his wife because of their two children, now 8 and 6 years old.
“He just never wanted to leave his kids,” she said. “He tried to stay with her and work it out. He is a great father who wanted to be with his kids.”
• Bruce said Courtney frequently called her to complain about Zach. “Another time she called me and I went over there and she was screaming at him while he was sitting on the couch. I told her to take the kids and go upstairs. I walked over to him and Zach was just sitting there with tears in his eyes. He said, ‘Mom, she’s really crazy.’”
The Smiths, who met as undergraduates at the University of Kentucky, were married in Columbus in 2008; They separated June 6, 2015, and Courtney Smith filed for divorce Nov. 12, 2015.
Among other revelations, Bruce claimed:
• Courtney Smith soon grew weary of being the wife of a college football coach at a big-time program. “I once loved her like a daughter,” Lynn Bruce explained. “Before they got married, we sat her down and said this is what life is going to be like for you if he goes to the level of coaching he wants to go. He was driven to succeed in the business and he slept at the office. I know it was difficult for her, with him being away, but that’s a coach’s life and we told her all about it ahead of time.”
• Courtney Smith, 33, is estranged from her mother, Tina Carano, because of her allegations that Zach Smith physically abused her. “Tina believes Zach and she is on his side through all this. She knows what her own daughter is like. She thinks she has serious problems and she knows she planned this whole thing.”
Bruce also said Tina Carano recently called WTVN 610 radio’s sports talk show with the intent to discuss the matter anonymously. “She wanted Zach’s side to come out, but she didn’t want to give her identity,” she said. “So they never put her on the air.”
• Earle Bruce, the Buckeyes’ head coach 1979-87, never spoke to Courtney Smith following his grandson’s arrest June 21, 2009 in Gainesville, Fla., and never tried to talk her out of pressing charges as she alleged in a televised interview last week. Courtney, then pregnant with the couple’s first child, claimed her husband grabbed her by the neck and pushed her against a wall. At the time, Zach was a graduate assistant coach under Meyer for the Florida Gators. The charge was later dropped and Courtney Smith said in a recent televised interview and also told McMurphy that Earle Bruce tried to talk her out of pressing charges against his grandson. That never happened, Lynn Bruce maintained. “Courtney called me at 3 a.m. about that fight and I told Dad I was driving down to Florida to deal with this. He wanted to go with me,” Bruce recalled. “When we arrived, I talked to Courtney alone and Dad went to speak to Urban and Zack. Dad never even saw her on that trip. Then when I heard her use Dad’s name in that TV interview, claiming he told her not to press charges, I wanted to jump through my TV set. Not only would he would never, ever tell her something like that, he never talked to her at all. That is just another thing she has lied about.” Earle Bruce died April 20 in Columbus.
• Both Smiths have moved on to new relationships, complicating the issue of raising their two children. “During spring practice this year, she called Zach one night and told him, ‘I am going to Florida tomorrow with my boyfriend, you have got to take the kids,’” Bruce remembered. “Zach said, ‘Wait a minute, I am in the middle of spring ball … ,’ but he made it work with our help. She promised to FaceTime the kids when she was gone, but she never did in those four days in Florida. I was keeping the kids one day and Zach had told me, ‘Mom, have the phone ready if she calls so they can see her and talk to her.’ But we never heard from her, so finally on the fourth day, Zach FaceTimed her with the kids and the kids let her know they were angry with her about her not calling them. She was so mad at Zach about that that she hung up and then called the Powell police from Florida and claimed, ‘My kids are in danger!’ The police arrived and saw the kids playing a game on the floor. They just shook their heads and left. She already had used up any credibility she had with the Powell police. They knew what she was about.”
• Zach Smith, 34, also is the father of a 1-year-old daughter from his current relationship. “When she found out about his new girlfriend, she got mad at him all over again,” Bruce said. “She told me about a year and a half ago, ‘I think we really are soulmates, so maybe someday when we both grow up, it will work out and we will be together.’ I think she still loves him in a warped, sick kind of way and I still think he loves her in a warped, sick kind of way.”
• Zach Smith paid Courtney alimony and child support since the two divorced, and was earning $340,000 under his recent contract, which was terminated with his firing.
• As far as the May 12 incident which ultimately led to Smith’s firing, the couple argued over the location in which he was supposed to drop off their son. Lynn Bruce was with Zach and grandson at the time, hosting a party of more than 100 people. Her birthday was the following day, May 13. “She was calling and demanding he bring Cameron back immediately,” Bruce recalled. “If he didn’t, she said she would call the police and claim he kidnapped him. So he drove him to the clubhouse of where she lived as she had told him to do. She wasn’t there. So then he drove the short distance to her driveway, and planned to drop him off at the edge of the driveway. When he pulled up, she was standing there with a camera, taking pictures.” Courtney Smith then called the Powell police, who issued a criminal trespass citation, a misdemeanor, to Zach Smith. Zach Smith then called the Powell police and in a tape of the call I recently received, he asked, “I was calling because I am divorced. My ex-wife likes to call the Powell police a lot. I need to find out if there is anything (filed) with the Powell police that restricts me from going anyway near her residence?” The officer responds, “Have you been served with any sort of protection order?” Smith answers, “No sir. I have been served with nothing.” The officer then says, “OK, then there is nothing that says you have to stay a certain amount of feet away from her residence or work or anything like that. That is not something we would know until we run your social (security number) and driver’s license to see if anything pops up.” When Smith thanked the officer, the officer responded, “I can relate more than you would know, believe me!” Smith then called his lawyer, who confirmed there was no protection order in place. He has pleaded not guilty on June 5 and the case is yet resolved.
• Courtney Smith then was granted an order of protection in July 20, which was filed in Delaware County.
• Zach Smith defended Meyer to his mother after the firing, saying, “Mom, they had no choice with everything else going on at the university (referring to the scandal involving the late wrestling team doctor Richard Strauss and sexual abuse allegations that spanned decades).”
• The May 12 incident wasn’t the first time Courtney had threatened to accuse Zach of kidnapping, according to Bruce, who said she did it as recently as this past season’s Cotton Bowl in Arlington, Texas. “She actually packed the kids’ suitcases and labeled their outfits for the trip,” Bruce explained. “And then for some reason, when they are in Dallas, she got mad and threatened to call the police, saying he had kidnapped them to Texas.”
• In another incident in November, 2015, when the couple was separated, Bruce said that Courtney Smith called the Powell police and accused her ex-husband was stalking her. “Someone in the neighborhood told her a black truck drove through the area at 2 a.m. and she determined it had to be Zach,” she said. “It turned out that he was out of the state recruiting at the time. That’s just how obsessed she became at getting back at him.”
Part of the evidence Courtney Smith provided McMurphy were texts from Shelley Meyer, Urban Meyer’s wife, among which said, “He scares me,” referring to Zach Smith.
“Shelley is a psych nurse and was trying to appease her and to try to calm her down,” Bruce said. “The bottom line is my son didn’t abuse her, after all those claims she made. The Powell police know that now and Urban knows that, too. And now, Shelley Meyer knows it, too, despite those previous texts. In recent years, Urban and Shelley really worried about Courtney’s stability. They found out what we knew a long time ago – that she acts crazy, especially when she drinks too much. She would do anything to get back at Zach and they fought more when alcohol was involved. It was common knowledge.
“And now she has. She got what she wanted. Zach got fired and Urban (is on paid administrative leave and the subject of the investigation) … She is getting exactly what she wanted, having done what she said she would do years ago. This whole mess is horrible … ”
Ohio State announced Monday that the six-person committee investigating the issue and Meyer’s involvement should conclude its work “within 14 days.”
The Buckeyes open the season Sept. 1 at home against Oregon State. If Meyer returns, it would be his seventh season as Ohio State's head coach.
No way either side is telling the direct truth. They're both messed up individuals.
Yeah, mom comes out of the woodwork years after this all started, and tells her story to a newspaper. Says victim is so mad at her husband, that she vows to bring down the entire Ohio State football program to get even, but for some reason she decides to wait until the summer of 2018 to do so. And mom, being the thoughtful mother that she is, doesn't do or say anything to anybody up until now.
I realize that just like us, OSU fans are desperate to latch onto any possibility of a reprieve, but this is tabloid nonsense that cries desperation.
I realize that just like us, OSU fans are desperate to latch onto any possibility of a reprieve, but this is tabloid nonsense that cries desperation.
All I know is Urban's own wife tweeted that she was scared of Zach......If it was me in this position and I knew of the past and my wife said she was scared of this individual he would not be working for me period!
It's quite possible that both of them were batshit crazy. Sometimes crazy attracts crazy.
Sadly, is not completely unheard of. There are times when a man or woman uses kids as a tool to torture the ex. There are still a lot of things that don't make sense. You would think, in this day and age, a crazy person would be monitored and documented due to the massive exposure. Why fire the guy if this is true (as others have asked)?
It is typical victim bashing. This is what lawyers do to defend criminals. They try to destroy the credibility of the abused. Is Courtney a saint? Probably not.
Did Zach already confess in writing to choking her out and then say he was sorry? You bet.
Has there been 9 domestics that were reported. Yes, and how many incidents occurred that were not reported?
Why is the Ohio fanboy local PD concealing their documents now after having admitted that one report had been modified to uncheck the arrested box from it's original form which checked arrested?
Why would the claims against Courtney suggest she is accusing Zach in response to jealousy over his infidelity and their divorce that occurred AFTER the 2008 incident in Florida where Urban Meyer sent his 2 fixers to ensure she would not press charges? Seems to me, that 2008 precedes the cause that Ohio St fans are suggesting for her actions. I guess she was upset over the infidelity and divorce in a premonition when the 2008 incident occurred?
Ohio St felt there was enough evidence to immediately fire Zach as soon as the information became public. Why would they do that if there is nothing there? Now in attempt to save Meyer and cover their own @$$e$, there are many Ohio St backers looking to attack Courtney as if the woman has not already been through enough abuse at the hands of an Ohio St employee.
It disgusts me to see all of Ohio St continuing to attack this woman that they allowed to be abused in the name of football so long as it was kept quiet. For a coach, Meyer, who has a very shady record at UF, leaving that place with legal issues all over the football team, potentially contributing to creating the above the law monster Aaron Hernandez (who was suspended all of one game for all of his legal issues), having cheated on his wife with coeds the same ages as his daughters.
But isn't this just who Ohio St is? Tressel with the free cars and tattoos. Mo Clarret arrested with a car full of weapons running from Israeli mobsters. "I ain't come here to play school." Having the father of another woman abuser Ezekiel Elliot speaking for your institution at a rally on campus in support of Meyer. Covering for a physician who molested how many of their wrestlers until after the guy passes away. The third concurrent abuse scandal on their diving team.
At some point you have to look at the sheer number of incidents of abuse and institutional cover ups and call a spade a spade. Meyer is perfect for Ohio St. Let them keep a guy who wins games while being a horrible human being, with no respect for women, his wife, his own girls, the law, his responsibilities with the young men with which he is entrusted. That is who they are. At least it is out in the open and completely undeniable now. Let them continue to attack the woman who was abused by their coach while Meyer looked the other way, rehired him, promoted him. It fits their lack of character perfectly. Just hurry up and get Meyer reinstated before the season. Don't interview Courtney or Zach or any of the coaches and their wives who knew. Just play football.
Did Zach already confess in writing to choking her out and then say he was sorry? You bet.
Has there been 9 domestics that were reported. Yes, and how many incidents occurred that were not reported?
Why is the Ohio fanboy local PD concealing their documents now after having admitted that one report had been modified to uncheck the arrested box from it's original form which checked arrested?
Why would the claims against Courtney suggest she is accusing Zach in response to jealousy over his infidelity and their divorce that occurred AFTER the 2008 incident in Florida where Urban Meyer sent his 2 fixers to ensure she would not press charges? Seems to me, that 2008 precedes the cause that Ohio St fans are suggesting for her actions. I guess she was upset over the infidelity and divorce in a premonition when the 2008 incident occurred?
Ohio St felt there was enough evidence to immediately fire Zach as soon as the information became public. Why would they do that if there is nothing there? Now in attempt to save Meyer and cover their own @$$e$, there are many Ohio St backers looking to attack Courtney as if the woman has not already been through enough abuse at the hands of an Ohio St employee.
It disgusts me to see all of Ohio St continuing to attack this woman that they allowed to be abused in the name of football so long as it was kept quiet. For a coach, Meyer, who has a very shady record at UF, leaving that place with legal issues all over the football team, potentially contributing to creating the above the law monster Aaron Hernandez (who was suspended all of one game for all of his legal issues), having cheated on his wife with coeds the same ages as his daughters.
But isn't this just who Ohio St is? Tressel with the free cars and tattoos. Mo Clarret arrested with a car full of weapons running from Israeli mobsters. "I ain't come here to play school." Having the father of another woman abuser Ezekiel Elliot speaking for your institution at a rally on campus in support of Meyer. Covering for a physician who molested how many of their wrestlers until after the guy passes away. The third concurrent abuse scandal on their diving team.
At some point you have to look at the sheer number of incidents of abuse and institutional cover ups and call a spade a spade. Meyer is perfect for Ohio St. Let them keep a guy who wins games while being a horrible human being, with no respect for women, his wife, his own girls, the law, his responsibilities with the young men with which he is entrusted. That is who they are. At least it is out in the open and completely undeniable now. Let them continue to attack the woman who was abused by their coach while Meyer looked the other way, rehired him, promoted him. It fits their lack of character perfectly. Just hurry up and get Meyer reinstated before the season. Don't interview Courtney or Zach or any of the coaches and their wives who knew. Just play football.
Is the victim's mom bashing the victim actually typical victim bashing?
Ok -let’s take this at face value. It still doesn’t excuse Zach for giving in to crazy. My ex is crazy. She’s filed 5 PFA’s against me, made 4 formal sexual abuse allegations to CPS, and made accusations to countless doctors. Every single one dismissed, thousands in attorney fee reimbursements ordered for her to pay me back, etc.
Here’s my advice for Zach
1. Schedule all kid swaps to occur with one parent dropping off at school, the other picking up at the end of the day.
2. If above not practicable, swap at the local mall food court or McDonalds. When crazy doesn’t show, you can get a coffee with the time stamped receipt that you were there.
3.All communication via email. Use texts for emergency only. No phone contact since she can claim you threatened to kill her on the phone.
4. If you have to meet her in person, always have a tape recorder going.
At best, he gave in to crazy and let her win. At worse, he’s the one that made her crazy through his abuse. My guess is crazy attracts crazy. Shame on Urban for not nipping this in the bud 9 years ago and letting him go then.
Here’s my advice for Zach
1. Schedule all kid swaps to occur with one parent dropping off at school, the other picking up at the end of the day.
2. If above not practicable, swap at the local mall food court or McDonalds. When crazy doesn’t show, you can get a coffee with the time stamped receipt that you were there.
3.All communication via email. Use texts for emergency only. No phone contact since she can claim you threatened to kill her on the phone.
4. If you have to meet her in person, always have a tape recorder going.
At best, he gave in to crazy and let her win. At worse, he’s the one that made her crazy through his abuse. My guess is crazy attracts crazy. Shame on Urban for not nipping this in the bud 9 years ago and letting him go then.
Very easy for a threat or other condition to have been made to mom to make a statement. So now we are to believe a social media account of mom over the actual text messages of Zach Smith admitting that he committed physical abuse of his spouse and apologized in writing for doing so. It usually takes two to tangle, but we have without doubt, written evidence from the accused of doing exactly what the victim claims has been done numerous times. How does a reasonable person ignore that evidence? It is basically a written admission of guilt.
And how does the mom saying that Courtney is also to blame make Meyer less culpable? That is the logic behind Ohio St fans pushing this narrative. Meyer still was fully aware of a spouse abuse incident in 2008 in which he apparently sent 2 people to talk to Courtney, and his wife talked to Courtney and received photos of physical abuse from Courtney, and Meyer still rehires the guy at a 2nd university and then promotes him? It doesn't add up. Meyer's actions are not defensible. Not even with attempts to undermine the abused's credibility. There is other hard evidence beyond Courtney's statements, the most devasting being Zach's written admission.
And how does the mom saying that Courtney is also to blame make Meyer less culpable? That is the logic behind Ohio St fans pushing this narrative. Meyer still was fully aware of a spouse abuse incident in 2008 in which he apparently sent 2 people to talk to Courtney, and his wife talked to Courtney and received photos of physical abuse from Courtney, and Meyer still rehires the guy at a 2nd university and then promotes him? It doesn't add up. Meyer's actions are not defensible. Not even with attempts to undermine the abused's credibility. There is other hard evidence beyond Courtney's statements, the most devasting being Zach's written admission.
To me, that is looking more and more like the case, but still does not excuse the retention of the assistant coach until caught by the media.
I see a lot of conclusions being reached without a lot evidence. It reminds me of another occasion not so many years ago. I don't know who is guilty and who is innocent here, and I don't think it's a matter of such great urgency that a rush to judgement is required.
Maybe put the outrage- feigned or real- on the back burner for a bit and see how this plays out.
Maybe put the outrage- feigned or real- on the back burner for a bit and see how this plays out.
totally and completely agree. JVP's and Meyer's complete and total responsibility is as the NCAA says: report it to your boss and someone outside the sports reporting structure and get the hell out of the way (not a direct quote, BTW). These things are far too complex in the age of date rape and #metoo.
Because the parents share custody over 2 children and incidents will keep happening, causing distracting and salacious headlines. Cheaper for OSU to fire ZS and pay contractual damages if firing unjustified than have this huge distraction arise again and again. Would also add that he doesn't appear to be a great coach. OSU receivers have underperformed over last several years.
Yeah, because all that matters is distracting and salacious headlines. You are a piece of shit. This is your most telling post here. You really should just go away, I have no idea why you are posting on a PSU board.
OK...we'll see. I am not sure who to believe. But it is one thing for this lady to be a nut, it is another for the process to be followed. If it was swept under the rug, that is also a problem. A coach is not the person to sweep it under the rug. But who knows, at this point?
Dear Ohio State fan,
You are welcome to argue against the facts and evidence that I and others have listed which are in the public domain. I have not invented them. See if you can logically twist a way to make the argument that your coach was not involved in the 2008 incident, did not know exactly who he rehired and promoted, and that Zach did not type an admission of guilt for physical abuse. Argue all the points, you can't just ignore evidence if it doesn't fit your narrative.
Ok, well your receivers usually suck because you have a run first QB. Still, many have the buckeyes returning the best WR group in the B1G this year.
But that is not Smith's real value to Urban. It is in recruiting. He is their top recruiter in 16 and 17 and is still top 15 in the nation today after being fired for this year. He was the #4 overall recruiter in the nation last year.
From his rivals recruiting profile, Smith appears to specialize in elite recruits from hundreds of miles away from Columbus. In fact, of the 29 recruits that he has landed, only 5 came from Ohio and most are the lowest rated of his recruits. So somehow this guy is sent in to land very big fish (5 stars and other top 100 guys) in Florida, California, Nevada, Texas, etc and you want to downplay the football reasons why Meyer wanted him. My gue$$, $mith know$ where the bodie$ are buried and perhap$ buried them him$elf.
You have stated this repeatedly. Provide link please. My understanding is that she made 9 complaints, none of which were found to be valid. I am assuming one of those was the stalking claim against ZS that was made when he was out of state according to statement of Bruce. Outside evidence can prove or disprove this incident and most probably many others.
Your previous statement below. Please back it up.
"You are welcome to argue against the facts and evidence that I and others have listed which are in the public domain. I have not invented them."
I could challenge other things you claim to have not made up. Let us deal with this one first.
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