My trip for the Michigan game

[Fac]

My wife and I made the trip from New Orleans. We stayed at the Penn Stater. Thursday afternoon we got in the shuttle van for a trip downtown. We were joined by a women going somewhere else. She seemed pleasant enough. I sat in the front and my wife and this women sat in the middle section. As the ride started it was mentioned by the driver that she was a member of the BOT. I then said that the wasn't the best organization to be associated with right now. The driver cleared his voice or made a sound like he couldn't believe I said that. She then proceeded to tell me that for the graduating seniors that their entire time here they had to deal with the Sandusky issue. She said that the BOT's main objective was to make Penn State a better place for the students and leave the past in the past.
I then said that I don't disagree with anything that you said in regards to making it a better place for the students but I feel you need to make right with Joe and his family. She said that the BOT at that time wasn't prepared for the storm that had hit Penn State and that they could have handled it better. She said that she didn't feel that any organization would have been prepared for anything like that and that Joe should have done more. I said that Joe followed the guidelines set forth in the school issued policy manual. She again said that Joe should have done more. Well, I then just said that I'll have to agee to disagree. That was about it. She exited the van. My wife said she didn’t exit the van a happy person. It was a short ride and I wasn’t expecting to be talking to a member of the BOT.
A side note. We had our picture taken with James Franklin Friday evening as the team stays at this hotel and we saw JayPa at The Corner Room at lunch time on Friday.
We also had a great time tailgating with our new friends Tom and Susan, Dennis and Sharon, Mike and Kathy and Emily. (Thanks again).

We had great seats and enjoyed the game atmosphere. Hope to be there again next year for a game.

 

[sluggo72]

thanks for sharing, and thanks for speaking up. It would have been interesting to ask when she said 'Joe should have done more', and asked 'like what'?

 

[NittPicker]

A couple good questions for her.......
1) What else specifically did she think Joe should have done?? The follow up would have been - then why did Masser testify under oath that Joe wasn't fired for anything he did or didn't do??
2) Why did the BoT through Frazier place the blame on every single alumni??

 

[psuro]

Hindsight is 20-20, but it would have been more appropriate to ask

"Why is it only that Joe could have done more? Why not members of the Board of Trustees? Why are they exempt from being held to a higher standard?"

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Nice story, Fac. Glad your wife and you had fun, and sorry that I missed the game (and the opportunity to meet you).

So who was the trustee with whom you shared the van ride? You can see pictures of the current trustees at THIS LINK.

 

[psuro]

Which one of those government appointed trustees spouted off "If you don't like, too bad" comment during the last BoT meeting? (Or something to that affect).

 

[Fac]

Nice story, Fac. Glad your wife and you had fun, and sorry that I missed the game (and the opportunity to meet you).

So who was the trustee with whom you shared the van ride? You can see pictures of the current trustees at THIS LINK.

Mary Lee Schneider

 

[fairgambit]

My wife and I made the trip from New Orleans. We stayed at the Penn Stater. Thursday afternoon we got in the shuttle van for a trip downtown. We were joined by a women going somewhere else. She seemed pleasant enough. I sat in the front and my wife and this women sat in the middle section. As the ride started it was mentioned by the driver that she was a member of the BOT. I then said that the wasn't the best organization to be associated with right now. The driver cleared his voice or made a sound like he couldn't believe I said that. She then proceeded to tell me that for the graduating seniors that their entire time here they had to deal with the Sandusky issue. She said that the BOT's main objective was to make Penn State a better place for the students and leave the past in the past.
I then said that I don't disagree with anything that you said in regards to making it a better place for the students but I feel you need to make right with Joe and his family. She said that the BOT at that time wasn't prepared for the storm that had hit Penn State and that they could have handled it better. She said that she didn't feel that any organization would have been prepared for anything like that and that Joe should have done more. I said that Joe followed the guidelines set forth in the school issued policy manual. She again said that Joe should have done more. Well, I then just said that I'll have to agee to disagree. That was about it. She exited the van. My wife said she didn’t exit the van a happy person. It was a short ride and I wasn’t expecting to be talking to a member of the BOT.
A side note. We had our picture taken with James Franklin Friday evening as the team stays at this hotel and we saw JayPa at The Corner Room at lunch time on Friday.
We also had a great time tailgating with our new friends Tom and Susan, Dennis and Sharon, Mike and Kathy and Emily. (Thanks again).

We had great seats and enjoyed the game atmosphere. Hope to be there again next year for a game.

When she exited the van, did she "slither" out?

 

[MontereyLion]

My wife and I made the trip from New Orleans. We stayed at the Penn Stater. Thursday afternoon we got in the shuttle van for a trip downtown. We were joined by a women going somewhere else. She seemed pleasant enough. I sat in the front and my wife and this women sat in the middle section. As the ride started it was mentioned by the driver that she was a member of the BOT. I then said that the wasn't the best organization to be associated with right now. The driver cleared his voice or made a sound like he couldn't believe I said that. She then proceeded to tell me that for the graduating seniors that their entire time here they had to deal with the Sandusky issue. She said that the BOT's main objective was to make Penn State a better place for the students and leave the past in the past.
I then said that I don't disagree with anything that you said in regards to making it a better place for the students but I feel you need to make right with Joe and his family. She said that the BOT at that time wasn't prepared for the storm that had hit Penn State and that they could have handled it better. She said that she didn't feel that any organization would have been prepared for anything like that and that Joe should have done more. I said that Joe followed the guidelines set forth in the school issued policy manual. She again said that Joe should have done more. Well, I then just said that I'll have to agee to disagree. That was about it. She exited the van. My wife said she didn’t exit the van a happy person. It was a short ride and I wasn’t expecting to be talking to a member of the BOT.
A side note. We had our picture taken with James Franklin Friday evening as the team stays at this hotel and we saw JayPa at The Corner Room at lunch time on Friday.
We also had a great time tailgating with our new friends Tom and Susan, Dennis and Sharon, Mike and Kathy and Emily. (Thanks again).

We had great seats and enjoyed the game atmosphere. Hope to be there again next year for a game.

Thanks for standing up for Joe and Sue at a moments notice. Funny thing...in reading your account of what transpired it felt like you were standing up for all of us as well. Amazingly, "they" still don't get it. Do they?

 

[bwifan]

Well done Fac! There are several people on this board along with you that I would of loved to been in that shuttle for that conversation.... Driver would of really been uncomfortable then LOL

 

[Fac]

When the driver said she was a member of the BOT I said what (?) like I really didn't hear what I just thought I heard. He repeated himself and then I said what I said. Then I'm thinking like this a big moment and I'm thing of all people me. I didn't graduate from Penn State, I live in New Orleans and now will have only seen 4 games in person, I never met JoePa but have danced next to him at the NYE Fiesta bowl party for the Miami game. I don't know all the questions to ask as there is so much out there. My wife was biting her lip anticipating what I might say next but I was civil.

The driver did say during the ride "if I can say something with out getting into trouble" - and then he spoke up for Joe. I really don't remember exactly what he said. As Joe said, I paraphrase here, "In hindsight, I wish I would have said more".

Oh and by the way, we ended up at Primanti's Brothers a couple of times. They have a big bar and a lot of TV's and they make good pizza.

 

[njlion73]

When the driver said she was a member of the BOT I said what (?) like I really didn't hear what I just thought I heard. He repeated himself and then I said what I said. Then I'm thinking like this a big moment and I'm thing of all people me. I didn't graduate from Penn State, I live in New Orleans and now will have only seen 4 games in person, I never met JoePa but have danced next to him at the NYE Fiesta bowl party for the Miami game. I don't know all the questions to ask as there is so much out there. My wife was biting her lip anticipating what I might say next but I was civil.

The driver did say during the ride "if I can say something with out getting into trouble" - and then he spoke up for Joe. I really don't remember exactly what he said. As Joe said, I paraphrase here, "In hindsight, I wish I would have said more".

Oh and by the way, we ended up at Primanti's Brothers a couple of times. They have a big bar and a lot of TV's and they make good pizza.

We enjoyed meeting you and your wife and were happy you could join our tailgate. Emily always likes meeting new people as well. Please let us know when you come up again. You and your wife are always welcome.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Mary Lee Schneider

A new (since July 1) B&I trustee. Seems as though she's cut from the same cloth as the other B&I trustees.

FWIW, Mary Lee Schneider and Robert Fenza joined the BOT this July as new B&I trustees when the terms of Ed Hintz and Ken Frazier ended. I believe that Hintz was term limited (he's now a Trustee Emeritus), and that Frazier simply wanted off the BOT.

I've yet to eat at the State College Primanti Brothers. It's become somewhat popular with the over 21 students in the late evening, for its prices for drinks. Since it took over the spot where G-Man (Gingerbread Man) was located, the students call it P-Man.

 

[Fac]

We enjoyed meeting you and your wife and were happy you could join our tailgate. Emily always likes meeting new people as well. Please let us know when you come up again. You and your wife are always welcome.

Tom if you still have my wife's email would you please send her your address. If not, I'm sure she has yours and she will reach out to you.
Thanks

 

[bwifan]

When the driver said she was a member of the BOT I said what (?) like I really didn't hear what I just thought I heard. He repeated himself and then I said what I said. Then I'm thinking like this a big moment and I'm thing of all people me. I didn't graduate from Penn State, I live in New Orleans and now will have only seen 4 games in person, I never met JoePa but have danced next to him at the NYE Fiesta bowl party for the Miami game. I don't know all the questions to ask as there is so much out there. My wife was biting her lip anticipating what I might say next but I was civil.

The driver did say during the ride "if I can say something with out getting into trouble" - and then he spoke up for Joe. I really don't remember exactly what he said. As Joe said, I paraphrase here, "In hindsight, I wish I would have said more".

Oh and by the way, we ended up at Primanti's Brothers a couple of times. They have a big bar and a lot of TV's and they make good pizza.

Would of been hilarious if you took a selfie of yourself and her sitting behind you and posted it here...

 

[Fac]

A new (since July 1) B&I trustee. Seems as though she's cut from the same cloth as the other B&I trustees.

FWIW, Mary Lee Schneider and Robert Fenza joined the BOT this July as new B&I trustees when the terms of Ed Hintz and Ken Frazier ended. I believe that Hintz was term limited (he's now a Trustee Emeritus), and that Frazier simply wanted off the BOT.

I've yet to eat at the State College Primanti Brothers. It's become somewhat popular with the over 21 students in the late evening, for its prices for drinks. Since it took over the spot where G-Man (Gingerbread Man) was located, the students call it P-Man.

Yes they have two separate happy hours and very long lines. We ended up at the Rathskeller on evening. That was a neat place also.

 

[psu00]

When the driver said she was a member of the BOT I said what (?) like I really didn't hear what I just thought I heard. He repeated himself and then I said what I said. Then I'm thinking like this a big moment and I'm thing of all people me. I didn't graduate from Penn State, I live in New Orleans and now will have only seen 4 games in person, I never met JoePa but have danced next to him at the NYE Fiesta bowl party for the Miami game. I don't know all the questions to ask as there is so much out there. My wife was biting her lip anticipating what I might say next but I was civil.

The driver did say during the ride "if I can say something with out getting into trouble" - and then he spoke up for Joe. I really don't remember exactly what he said. As Joe said, I paraphrase here, "In hindsight, I wish I would have said more".

Oh and by the way, we ended up at Primanti's Brothers a couple of times. They have a big bar and a lot of TV's and they make good pizza.

Well, that does still speak to the climate of fear instilled by the BoT, Erickson and Joyner. Here's a shuttle bus driver who's afraid that even speaking his mind on Paterno (which is outside the BoT approved version) might actually get him in trouble.

The more they hear that their point of view isn't accepted, the better. They surround themselves with 'yes men' in their meetings so much that they begin to believe their own drivel and think that everyone believes as they do. It's nice for a good bucket of ice water to be thrown on their illusion as much as possible. Well done Fac.

 

[NittPicker]

Which one of those government appointed trustees spouted off "If you don't like, too bad" comment during the last BoT meeting? (Or something to that affect).

You may be think of planning secretary Hanger. What he said was directed toward Dambly who went on a whining spree about people asking questions during the late planning stages of a branch campus building project. Hanger replied they weren't rubber stamps. He went on to say Gov. Wolf is a friend of the university but that he (Hanger) will ask questions if they need to be asked, adding some people may be bothered by that and if they are it's "really kind of too bad". Seeing someone slam Dambly was awesome.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

Too bad you didn't have the hard boiled egg, sauerkraut, and chocolate milk all-you-can-eat Thursday buffet at the 'Stater prior to departure.

 

[psuro]

Fac - you still had a good experience

 

[Fac]

Fac - you still had a good experience

Ro - we had a great experience - Nothing could have gone better except for a longer shuttle ride

 

[bwifan]

Too bad you didn't have the hard boiled egg, sauerkraut, and chocolate milk all-you-can-eat Thursday buffet at the 'Stater prior to departure.

OMG LMAO!!! Hilarious... I am still laughing at this one...

 

[zwick99]

My wife and I made the trip from New Orleans. We stayed at the Penn Stater. Thursday afternoon we got in the shuttle van for a trip downtown. We were joined by a women going somewhere else. She seemed pleasant enough. I sat in the front and my wife and this women sat in the middle section. As the ride started it was mentioned by the driver that she was a member of the BOT. I then said that the wasn't the best organization to be associated with right now. The driver cleared his voice or made a sound like he couldn't believe I said that. She then proceeded to tell me that for the graduating seniors that their entire time here they had to deal with the Sandusky issue. She said that the BOT's main objective was to make Penn State a better place for the students and leave the past in the past.
I then said that I don't disagree with anything that you said in regards to making it a better place for the students but I feel you need to make right with Joe and his family. She said that the BOT at that time wasn't prepared for the storm that had hit Penn State and that they could have handled it better. She said that she didn't feel that any organization would have been prepared for anything like that and that Joe should have done more. I said that Joe followed the guidelines set forth in the school issued policy manual. She again said that Joe should have done more. Well, I then just said that I'll have to agee to disagree. That was about it. She exited the van. My wife said she didn’t exit the van a happy person. It was a short ride and I wasn’t expecting to be talking to a member of the BOT.
A side note. We had our picture taken with James Franklin Friday evening as the team stays at this hotel and we saw JayPa at The Corner Room at lunch time on Friday.
We also had a great time tailgating with our new friends Tom and Susan, Dennis and Sharon, Mike and Kathy and Emily. (Thanks again).

We had great seats and enjoyed the game atmosphere. Hope to be there again next year for a game.

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

 

[njlion73]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

I would absolutely want him to do the same thing. That is what the Penn State Policy Manual calls for and what the NCAA calls for. If the information is wrong and he goes to the police he could be fired and sued.

Have you ever reported anyone to the police, for anything? If so, you better be certain you have your facts straight. I would never report 2nd hand info to the police.

 

[sluggo72]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

the police couldn't take a report from Joe, he didn't witness anything!! You're a JoeBut so I shouldn't even go down this road.

 

[BOSCO2]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

Why don't you tell us what you think Joe knew. Then tell us what you know that he knew. We'll await your response.

 

[Zenophile]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

What more should Joe have done in 2001? Please be specific.

 

[psualum10]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

Interesting since you don't realize one was there saw/heard everything in person and the other didn't. Guess that fact was missed. In addition there's a reason that the NCAA came out after and said that you should do exactly what Joe did if the same situation came about. It's not a head coaches job to play detective.

 

[zwick99]

I would absolutely want him to do the same thing. That is what the Penn State Policy Manual calls for and what the NCAA calls for. If the information is wrong and he goes to the police he could be fired and sued.

Have you ever reported anyone to the police, for anything? If so, you better be certain you have your facts straight. I would never report 2nd hand info to the police.

The manuals have been revised. Just about every school in the country learned from PSU's mistakes. I have reported things to the police. I have also called the police just to check out something suspicious. I let the police determine the facts which is what Joe should have done. All Joe had to do was pass the info on to the police and let them determine the facts. At that point PSU would have been in the clear. Whatever the police found or did not find would be on them.

 

[zwick99]

Interesting since you don't realize one was there saw/heard everything in person and the other didn't. Guess that fact was missed. In addition there's a reason that the NCAA came out after and said that you should do exactly what Joe did if the same situation came about. It's not a head coaches job to play detective.

And they both went to their superiors as outlined in the manual.

It is not the head coaches job to play detective. Whose job is it? Police? All Joe, MM, Shultz and Curly had to do was pass the info on to them.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Joe should have done more. It is common sense. There are plenty of situations not covered in policy manuals. It is ironic that the Joebots will complain about McQuery but defend Joe when they both went to their superiors.

PS. If you think Joe did the right thing would you want the next coach in the same situation to do the same as Joe or simply pass the info on to the police?

The same thing as Joe. Wanna guess what I'd like you to do?

 

[zwick99]

What more should Joe have done in 2001? Please be specific.

All he had to do was pass the allegations on to the police. It is really just common sense. At that point PSU would have been in the clear. Whatever the police found or did not find is on them.

MM, Joe, Curly, Shultz and Spanier all F'ed up. Any one of them could have gone to the police. They all should have gone to the police. At what point do you think PSU should do to the police about ANY alleged crime? Do you think only a President of a college can call the police?

 

[Zenophile]

And they both went to their superiors as outlined in the manual.

Who are "they"?

It is not the head coaches job to play detective.

We are in absolute agreement on this point.

All Joe, MM, Shultz and Curly had to do was pass the info on to them.

-MM was the witness and could have called the police.
- Curly & Shultz could have investigated to see if it was a police matter, then referred it accordingly.
- But if we agree that it isn't a head coach's job to be a detective, what specifically does Joe have to with any of this?

 

[Zenophile]

All he had to do was pass the allegations on to the police. It is really just common sense. At that point PSU would have been in the clear. Whatever the police found or did not find is on them.

MM, Joe, Curly, Shultz and Spanier all F'ed up. Any one of them could have gone to the police. They all should have gone to the police. At what point do you think PSU should do to the police about ANY alleged crime? Do you think only a President of a college can call the police?

My question was specifically about Joe Paterno. MM has repeatedly stated under oath that he was nonspecific about the allegation he brought to Joe. Through what means should Joe have been able to divine the specific information?

 

[Aoshiro]

I would absolutely want him to do the same thing. That is what the Penn State Policy Manual calls for and what the NCAA calls for. If the information is wrong and he goes to the police he could be fired and sued.

Have you ever reported anyone to the police, for anything? If so, you better be certain you have your facts straight. I would never report 2nd hand info to the police.

The idea that a football coach should have involved himself in something like this is completely insane.

 

[zwick99]

Who are "they"?


We are in absolute agreement on this point.


-MM was the witness and could have called the police.
- Curly & Shultz could have investigated to see if it was a police matter, then referred it accordingly.
- But if we agree that it isn't a head coach's job to be a detective, what specifically does Joe have to with any of this?

Whose job is it to call the police when there are allegations of a crime? Do you think ONLY the President of a university can call the police?

Joe should have passed the info on to the police.

 

[Zenophile]

Whose job is it to call the police when there are allegations of a crime? Do you think ONLY the President of a university can call the police?

Joe should have passed the info on to the police.

Perhaps MM should have called the police.
Perhaps Curly and Shultz should have called the police.
But Joe Paterno was in no position to call the police, and to suggest otherwise is absurd.

 

[zwick99]

The idea that a football coach should have involved himself in something like this is completely insane.

True but once he is involved all he had to do was drop a dime and make a 30 second call to the police and pass on the generic info. Let them do the investigating and determine the facts. Pretty simple.

 

[Zenophile]

True but once he is involved all he had to do was drop a dime and make a 30 second call to the police and pass on the generic info. Let them do the investigating and determine the facts. Pretty simple.

The only way this is simple is with the benefit of hindsight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

 

[bamasota]

True but once he is involved all he had to do was drop a dime and make a 30 second call to the police and pass on the generic info. Let them do the investigating and determine the facts. Pretty simple.

Pretty much.