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Morning Call: Legalize pot in Pennsylvania? Highly unlikely anytime soon (link)

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From an outsider's perspective, why is PA so slow in coming around on so many things? When we were kids we used to have to make the trip to Ohio to get fireworks and drink under 21. Why can't you buy beer and wine in a regular store? That place hasn't changed a lick. It's backward. And given its fiscal woes it's got to be one of the most mismanaged states in the country. It's like the government cannot get out of its own way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...ikely-anytime-soon/ar-BBQq80s?ocid=spartanntp

and...

https://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/pa_gop_lawmakers_sobering_to_h.html
 
From an outsider's perspective, why is PA so slow in coming around on so many things? When we were kids we used to have to make the trip to Ohio to get fireworks and drink under 21. Why can't you buy beer and wine in a regular store? That place hasn't changed a lick. It's backward. And given its fiscal woes it's got to be one of the most mismanaged states in the country. It's like the government cannot get out of its own way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...ikely-anytime-soon/ar-BBQq80s?ocid=spartanntp

and...

https://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/pa_gop_lawmakers_sobering_to_h.html

The Pennsylvania LCB used to be the single largest alcohol buyer in the United States - there's a reason they're not eager to hand the keys over to private companies. Article below from a few years ago is PA in a nutshell - LCB officials get caught taking gifts/bribes, and leave with a stern scolding and nothing more.

https://www.timesleader.com/archive...ulture-drunk-with-power-at-pa-liquor-agency-2
 
From an outsider's perspective, why is PA so slow in coming around on so many things? When we were kids we used to have to make the trip to Ohio to get fireworks and drink under 21. Why can't you buy beer and wine in a regular store? That place hasn't changed a lick. It's backward. And given its fiscal woes it's got to be one of the most mismanaged states in the country. It's like the government cannot get out of its own way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...ikely-anytime-soon/ar-BBQq80s?ocid=spartanntp

and...

https://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/pa_gop_lawmakers_sobering_to_h.html
As soon as they see the tax revenues coming into the coffers in other states, they'll pass something legalizing and taxing MJ.
 
From an outsider's perspective, why is PA so slow in coming around on so many things? When we were kids we used to have to make the trip to Ohio to get fireworks and drink under 21. Why can't you buy beer and wine in a regular store? That place hasn't changed a lick. It's backward. And given its fiscal woes it's got to be one of the most mismanaged states in the country. It's like the government cannot get out of its own way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...ikely-anytime-soon/ar-BBQq80s?ocid=spartanntp

and...

https://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/pa_gop_lawmakers_sobering_to_h.html
why is PA so slow in coming around on so many things?
It takes a looong time for the corrupt politicians in Pennsylvania to figure out how profit from new schemes to screw the population of the state. The LCB, Penn Dot, the Turnpike Commission, kickback schemes in school districts and local governments have all been around for a long time. Casinos, medical marijuana, the Hershey Trust, and Penn State endowment are the new targets.
 
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You can buy beer and wine in regular stores in PA.
He means walking into any Sunoco or 7/11.. not places that have to have a cafe area (Sheetz/getgo) with seating for a minimum of 25 people. The 12 pack minimum at these places is horseshit too.
 
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You can buy beer and wine in regular stores in PA.

OMG don't get me started. Other states let grocery stores sell beer and wine. In Pa. the only way they can do it is to set up a restaurant, buy a full restaurant liquor license and run a separate bottle shop inside the restaurant inside the grocery store. And they can't even buy the beer and wine from wholesalers -- they have to buy it at full retail price from the state stores and local beer distributors.

So if you're buying wine at Giant, you're paying for that liquor license (which in the Philly area runs $400,000), for the cost of running a restaurant, plus the cost of keeping a separate register (because you can't pay through the regular grocery store register).

You're paying the full retail price to the State Store system, plus the excise tax, plus the Johnstown Flood tax, plus state sales tax. So you're basically paying $18-20 for a $12 bottle of wine and Giant is probably STILL losing money. In which case you are not only paying 30%-40% more for your wine, you're you're paying higher grocery prices to subsidize Giant's wine business. Welcome to Pennsylvania.

Contrast that to New Jersey, or Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware, New York, where a $12 bottle of wine actually sells for $12. Or visit France where, in the absence of excessive liquor taxes, that $12 bottle of wine will sell for 3 or 4 euros ($3.50 to $4.60).

There are a lot of fools in the United States, and unfortunately a disproportionate number of them live in Pennsylvania. I love this place, I've lived here most of my life. But geez, people in this state just have such low expectations probably because most of them never actually leave the state to see what life is like in other places. You have no idea unless you travel just how dumb Pennsylvania is.
 
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