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Ten Thousan Marbles

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2014

Republicans are right: Trump should show America the search warrant delivered to his house



Dude can't keep his mouth shut for five minutes most of the time, but he's sure being quiet when it comes to explaining why FBI agents showed up to search his house.

The Republican/fascist/militia outrage over the FBI obtaining a search warrant to go hunt for documents at Trump's for-profit Florida home is still going strong, with Trump's bottom-rung supporters suggesting it's time to start shooting people, seditionist Florida Republican lawmakers suggesting mass arrests of FBI agents, and American fascists demanding that Republicans start doing a fascism right now rather than abide it.

The FBI got a federal warrant to hunt for documents by getting a judge to agree that there was likely criminality afoot, then showed it to the Secret Service agents guarding Trump's house, were allowed to enter, and then took the documents they came for. Oh, they apparently "broke" open a "hotel"-style safe, which might be a euphemism for "shimmied it open with a credit card"—of course Trump would rely on a "hotel"-style safe. Of course he would.

But there's nothing about the search that appears to have been unusual except that it was directed, for the first time in history, at a former U.S. president. Which is unusual, to be sure, but we've also never had a previous circumstance in which federal authorities saw, with their own eyes, that a former president had taken classified documents to his for-profit golf club, and multiple government agencies’ attempts to get them back were never before rebuffed by a rich dude with plenty of money for lawyers but half the common sense God gave to a Florida mosquito. "Unusual" doesn’t begin to cover

The FBI has a long history of not commenting on ongoing criminal investigations—unless they involve Hillary Clinton and it's almost election day—so we're not likely to get an explanation of what agents were looking for from anyone in government. This also has Republicans steaming mad, and they quickly piped up with demands that the FBI break that confidentiality and explain which of Donald Trump's many, many, many suspected crimes the search warrant was targeting. They want to see the justification for the warrant, and they want it now.

Having the uncooked breadstick that Donald Trump tried to murder via an angry mob huff that investigating criminality by his coup-organizing former boss "undermines" confidence in government is, well … certainly in character.

Pence and other Republicans aren't likely to get their wish. We all know how this game is played, and if a Department of Justice spokesman strolled out and said, "And here are the specific crimes we believe Donald Trump committed and our evidence for them," then Mike Pence and Sen. Lindsey Graham and a great deal of other top-tier Trump sycophants would be howling in outrage at a government agency improperly announcing an investigation.

But there's one person who could clear this up in about ten minutes, and that person is Donald Trump. The FBI won't be releasing information about what they were looking for, but the warrant served to Donald Trump has, written on it, a list of the particular federal laws a judge agreed were probably broken. Investigators had to convince the judge that evidence of a specific crime would almost certainly be found in Donald Trump's house, and if Donald Trump wants to tell us what particular crimes those were, he can do that right now.

Well? We're waiting.

What's odd is that Donald Trump has an extremely big mouth, as we all know too well, and has never been able to keep quiet about government investigations into any of his various suspected crimes. His silence (so far) here is deafening. He doesn't want to say what laws the FBI convinced a federal judge he broke.

You'd think Mike Pence, of all people, would respect that—but no. Republicans are quite certain they want to know!

Fortunately for the rest of us, there have been enough leaks to various news outlets that it now seems solid to say that this is about classified "national security" documents Donald Trump took from the White House at the end of his term and has, for baffling turdly reasons knowable only to Donald Trump, refused to give back.

The circumstances here are truly bizarre: Somewhere around the first week of June, Justice Department investigators showed up at Mar-a-Lago to confer with Trump's lawyers about the multiple boxes of White House documents taken from the White House that federal law requires the National Archives take possession of. During those conversations, investigators reportedly saw for themselves documents with "Top Secret" markings. That resulted in some conversation that ended with the room later being "padlocked" for security reasons, and then?

Well, we don't know. It's now August, however, and we can reasonably deduce from that that either Trump refused to turn over the classified documents investigators saw or that federal agents had near-absolute proof that other classified documents still remained on Donald Trump’s property as of yesterday morning.

It seems almost certain that this is about the fate of those classified national security documents, because it seems implausible that an ultra-cautious federal government still making few hints that they're even considering charging Donald Trump with crimes for an attempted coup that left multiple people dead would have sought a federal warrant targeting Trump for making off with knickknacks, "love letters" from North Korea or other White House errata. It was assured to result in a nationwide political meltdown, and it even seems possible that it could result in domestic terror. Confiscating mere keepsakes would hardly seem worth that risk.

We don’t have to speculate, though. If Donald Trump chooses to publicly release the warrant documents served at Mar-a-Lago, it should provide enough information to know whether federal agents were looking for stolen White House spoons or for classified national security documents that Donald Trump or other family members made off with for let's-say-unknown reasons. So he could really step up and do all of us a favor here, if he feels like it!

Again: A search warrant being served at a former president's combination luxury resort and home may be unprecedented in modern American history, but there had to have been a whole series of events before this in which a timid Department of Justice bent over backward to avoid it. If this is about classified national security documents, Donald Trump could have diffused the whole situation back in June by telling his lawyers to give up anything with classified markings. Or, if the information was so sensitive that his lawyers shouldn't themselves be laying eyes on them, arranging a secure handover of those documents at some later time.

For some reason, none of that happened, and federal investigators still had ironclad evidence that Donald Trump was still keeping classified national intelligence documents In His Damn Florida Golf Resort two full months after investigators personally saw them there. Possibly being kept in a safe. Possibly not being kept in a safe.

It's fully possible that Trump, a malignant narcissist whose arrogance is uncontrollable, sincerely believed he could bluff or ignore his way through a federal investigation of stolen classified documents being delivered to his home and wedding-hosting venue. It's very possible Trump told his lawyers that he was going to keep those documents, for let's-say-unknowable future use, and instructed them to stonewall investigators. It's quite possible he never believed the whole federal government, multiple portions of which are still controlled by his own appointees, would dare lift a finger to enforce laws against the likes of

And it's possible he bet wrong, and that no matter how cautious federal and state investigators are being in probes of his at-this-point countless other crimes, the government believed there was something in his possession that required raiding his house over rather than just letting go. Something that he absolutely should not be using as a bragging-rights placemat during lavish dinners with international guests.

If Donald Trump wants to show us the warrant, it's possible that alone would provide enough evidence to clear some of this up. If he wants to.

Uncooked Breadstick has a point here, after all. The American people certainly have an interest in learning what specific crime Donald Trump is suspected of that's so substantial that even this Justice Department felt they needed to take action.

We are all very, very eager to find out.

Ten Thousan Marbles

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2014

McConnell fails to issue statement defending Trump, stoking GOP civil war

Joan McCarter

The FBI’s execution of a search warrant at Trump’s Florida home has the MAGA GOP in an uproar, with his closest lackeys coming just short of demanding Attorney General Merrick Garland’s head on a pike.

House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy threatened Garland with never-ending investigations and even former Vice President Mike Pence had to weigh in, condemning the raid. Not that he’ll get any MAGA brownie points for that—he called Trump the “former” president.

But there’s one prominent Republican from whom we’ve heard just crickets. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who definitely has serious concerns about trying to regain the Senate majority with the likes of Trump’s favorite candidates, is remaining mum. As is the rest of his leadership team, Minority Whip John Thune (R-SD), and Policy Chair Roy Blunt (R-MO). McConnell, though his office, has simply “declined to comment” on the raid thus far.

That hasn’t gone unnoticed in MAGAland.
Monday night, Fox News hosts Mark Levin and Sean Hannity were in a lather about the whole situation, as Media Matters documents. “[E]verybody pretty much knows that Donald Trump is going to run in the Republican primary for president of the United States,” Levin fumed. “And so you have a sitting president who wants to run against him and his attorney general acting like this.”

“The FBI is corrupt,” Levin ranted on. “This guy, Garland, goes after parents. He goes after Republican state legislatures. He goes after states because he disagrees with her abortion positions. He doesn’t do a damn thing to protect the border, which is compelled by the Constitution. Nothing.” Okay, but parents? Is that how they’re going to defend Trump?

Anyway, Levin wasn’t finished. “This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history, period. And it’s not just an attack on Donald Trump. It’s an attack on everybody who supports him.” And who isn’t among that group? Yup, Mitch McConnell.

“It’s an attack on anybody who dares to raise serious questions about Washington, D.C., and the establishment in both parties. I haven’t heard a damn thing from the Republican leadership in the Senate, have you? Not one of those guys has put out a statement because they’re weak. That’s why.”

One leadership guy weighed in, though: Sen. Rick Scott, the Florida Republican leading the GOP’s 2022 Senate campaign.

Scott relishes tangling with McConnell. He has been all year, starting with that fascist, dystopian manifesto he put out as the GOP’s 2022 platform. McConnell's intentions to hew to a disciplined message on the Biden administration and the economy has no appeal for Scott or the whole MAGA party—i.e., the entire rest of the GOP—and Scott is making that very clear.

McConnell’s path back to Senate leadership is going to be a very bumpy one, since he is in the eye of the Republican civil war. It’s our job to help exploit that to ensure that the path gets cut off completely with an expanded Democratic Senate majority.

Ten Thousan Marbles

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2014

The first day of the shebeen’s dance with the 'rona certainly got off to a flying start. The FBI calls the Secret Service and says, 'Hey, dudes, we showed what we know to a judge and he said we could come to Mar-a-Lago and look for evidence of criming, so would you guys leave the door unlocked, OK?' And the Secret Service says, 'Sure, drop on by and stay as long as you like. We’ll leave some bottled water in the fridge.' And so the FBI came to Mar-a-Lago.

And I, in my isolation, learned about it from…THE DESK OF THE 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES at 6:52 p.m.

These are dark times for our Nation, as my beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents. Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before. After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate. It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don’t want me to run for President in 2024, especially based on recent polls, and who will likewise do anything to stop Republicans and Conservatives in the upcoming Midterm Elections. Such an assault could only take place in broken, Third-World Countries. Sadly, America has now become one of those Countries, corrupt at a level not seen before. They even broke into my safe!

The exclamation point makes it art.

From there, I had to wait for TV news to catch up, and the first place I went—and this may have been a result of my illness—was to the Fox News Channel, where hysteria reigned. For the first several hours (it being August, when nothing ever happens), we were treated to substitute anchors, young tyros fairly lusting after the main chance. Were I one of the regular anchors, I’d hire food tasters as soon as I get back to the office. These were lean and hungry types, and they eagerly tied into the programmed paranoia with their guests, who were appropriately outraged at the unprecedented events unfolding in Florida. Jonathan Turley continued his descent into the screaming void, where Alan Dershowitz is waiting for him, writing nasty letters of the editors of the Vineyard Gazette.

But the evening in Bedlam was mostly divided between warnings about—or, if you will, threats of—violent reaction and some bravura performances of Bad Analogy Theater. They played all the golden oldies. One of the ambitious young Foxsters referenced how “the Clintons stole $200,000” worth of furniture when they left the White House, a W-era canard that was debunked when the twerp was in diapers. Hunter Biden’s laptop got a serious workout on all sides. Eric Trump mentioned Benghazi, Benghazi!, BENGHAZI!, as well as the old Uranium One business.

Eventually, however, the regulars were back. Hannity comforted Eric, who apparently was the only Trump on duty Monday night. Meanwhile, Laura Ingraham appeared to be on the edge of complete HIGH-sterics, as my mother would have said. Her dudgeon was joined at its lofty height by Mark Levin, and those two voices should never be allowed on TV at the same time. I’m not kidding. Their voices sterilized frogs in Manitoba.

That was it for me, given my weakened condition. But I did come away with a feeling that we’d all be better off if the media stopped hyping the “historic” and “unprecedented” nature of the events. The more these events are spun that way, the more the excitable people get ginned up to feel like prominent actors in a world-historical conflict. The Republican elite is more than willing to encourage them in their delusions of bloody grandeur. From the Washington Post:

“Merrick Garland, Chris Wray, come to the House Judiciary Committee this Friday and answer our questions about this action … which has never happened in American history,” [Rep. Jim] Jordan said on Fox News. “What was on the warrant? What were you really doing? What were you looking for?”

Bunk. This is an investigation into a possible federal crime. No legitimate aura of authority surrounds ex-presidents. The republic can survive the investigation, indictment and even the conviction of a former president, no matter what that old fool Gerry Ford thought back in 1974. But nothing permanent can be done about the reaction until someone or something knocks from a lot of heads the notion that every political defeat is Concord Bridge and that every pronouncement from their favorite TV news star is a message from Thomas Paine from beyond the grave. In 2016 (albeit with some help from abroad), the country elected a grubby little crook riding America’s longest lucky streak to be its president. Now the bill has come due.

This wasn’t a presidency, it was a burglary. And they got caught.

Ten Thousan Marbles

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2014

‘Civil war’ talk is all the rage among Trump’s ardent supporters after FBI searches Mar-a-Lago

David Neiwert

America’s right-wing extremists have been hankering for a civil war for a long time now, and in particular have been eager to start using their guns in defense of Donald Trump ever since he came onto the political scene. They tried to start a civil war on Trump’s behalf after he lost on Jan. 6, 2021.

So to no one’s great surprise, they’re currently flooding social media and right-wing media bandwidth with vows to begin a civil war on Trump’s behalf after the FBI executed a search warrant at the ex-president’s Florida waterfront estate, Mar-a-Lago, and seized evidence in a yet-unspecified investigation. The rhetoric is mostly a mixture of over-the-top hysteria and dark threats, and it’s being wielded by everyone from congressional Republicans to anonymous militiamen.

Back when Trump was facing his first impeachment, he tweeted out a hint that the proceedings might unleash a civil war—which did unleash a deluge of militiamen and Trump supporters vowing to do exactly that. The sentiments they voiced then were remarkably similar to the threats of violence directly preceding the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Right after news of the Mar-a-Lago search broke, mentions of “civil war” on Twitter suddenly spiked, as Donie O’Sullivan reported.

The most prominent elected Republican to weigh in on the matter was Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, whose tweets became increasingly militant as the day progressed. They started out in typically unhinged fashion:

The FBI is raiding President Trump’s home in Maralago!
This is the rogue behavior of communist countries, NOT the United States of America!!!
These are the type of things that happen in countries during civil war.

The political persecution MUST STOP!!!

Later in the day, Greene’s tone became threatening: “What is happening will NOT be tolerated!!!” she wrote. “We are coming.”

A Florida Republican legislator running for Congress, Anthony Sabatini, wants the Florida state government to get involved and protect Trump from the evil federal government:

It’s time for us in the Florida Legislature to call an emergency legislative session & amend our laws regarding federal agencies
Sever all ties with DOJ immediately
Any FBI agent conducting law enforcement functions outside the purview of our State should be arrested upon sight.

Right-wing activist Laura Loomer, who is also running for Congress in Florida, was even more incendiary:

Time to take the gloves off. It’s been time. If you’re a freedom loving American, you must remove the words decorum and civility from your vocabulary. This is a WAR!
And it’s time to obliterate these communists. Tonight they attacked President Trump. If you sit on the sidelines and refuse to act, they will attack you and your family next.
What will you choose? Will you be a fighter? Or will you be a victim of the Deep State?

Arizona’s far-right Republican nominee for the governor’s seat, Kari Lake, posted a statement warning of the nation’s imminent demise:

This is one of the darkest days in American history: the day our Government, originally created by the people, turned against us. This illegitimate, corrupt Regime hates America and has weaponized the entirety of the Federal Government to take down President Donald Trump.
Our Government is rotten to the core. These Tyrants will stop at nothing to silence the Patriots who are working hard to save America. This is an incredibly horrendous abuse of power. If we accept it, America is dead.
We will not accept it. The 10th Amendment can and will save our Republic and the road to stripping the Feds of power travels right through Arizona.

We must fire the Federal Government. As Governor, I will fight these Tyrants with every fiber of my being. America—dark days lie ahead for us. May God protect us and save our Country.

Trump-loving right-wing pundits were similarly running around with their hair on fire, urging their audiences to prepare for war—and not just the metaphorical kind.

Jesse Kelly—the right-wing radio talk-show host who believes fascism is an inevitability for the American right, and is good with that—gave a shout-out to the so-called “constitutional sheriffs” who have threatened to get involved in the nation’s election apparatus in defense of Trump. “Do you have a county sheriff who will stand between you and a federal agent trying to violate your rights? If you don’t, you better get one. Or better yet, BECOME one,” Kelly tweeted.

He later tweeted out a quote with threatening implications: “Do not quote laws to men with swords.’ -Pompey Magnus,” Kelly tweeted.

Far-right pundit Candace Owens had a regular meltdown on Twitter:

The FBI must be legally and formally dissolved.
What happened to President Trump is positively stunning and a mark of unchecked government power.
I no longer recognize the country I live in. Left or right, we must all come together to fight this evil.

Meanwhile, longtime Fox News host Monica Crowley decided it was time to throw down the gauntlet: “This is it,” she tweeted. “This is the hill to die on.”

White nationalist pundit Jack Posobiec, who now hosts a daily show for the right-wing campus organization Turning Point USA, posted a series of tweets that essentially urged his audience to gird their loins for a real shooting war:

Are you ready.
The federal security state has declared war on Donald J Trump and his supporters.
The country you grew up in no longer exists.
We are living through the times our forefathers warned of.
Preemptive coup.
Welcome to the end game.

Longtime conspiracy theorist Steven Crowder’s unhinged tweet was shorter and more succinct: “Tomorrow is war,” he wrote. “Sleep well.”

The ominous suggestions that the base become engaged in violence could be heard on Fox News as well thanks to host Jesse Waters, who told his guest, Dan Bongino:

I think there is going to be some more action you are going to see out on the streets from the base after they see this break tonight... They've had it with what this corrupt government and what the FBI has done.

Another Fox News host, Mark Levin, claimed that investigating Trump was an attack on the nation itself:

This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history. Period. And it’s not just an attack on Donald Trump. It’s an attack on everybody who supports him. It’s an attack on anybody who dares to raise serious questions about Washington, D.C., and the establishment in both parties. I haven’t heard a damn thing from the Republican leadership in the Senate! Have you? Not one of those guys has put out a statement. Because they’re weak. That’s why.

Onetime Trump aide Sebastian Gorka tweeted: “This is the real insurrection.”

On Trump’s social media site Truth Social, radio host Wayne Root, Trump’s longtime fan and supporter, wrote: “This is now officially Nazi Germany Gestapo meets Soviet Union KGB.”

Trumpist pundit Carmine Sabia also penned a series of increasingly unhinged tweets to his 80,000-plus followers:

It is time for a #NationalDivorce before there is a Civil War. We cannot be a part of the same nation anymore.
And if I haven’t been direct enough let me say it again. If you are not for Donald Trump you are my enemy. I did not believe that four hours ago. But I believe it now. This was a gigantic ****ing mistake Democrats.
This is war. Pick a side. There is no gray area.

The America that you knew and loved as a kid is gone. It’s gone and it’s never coming back.

These same sentiments could be found throughout right-wing social media, being voiced by ordinary randos and trolls at large and often at high volume.
  • “The Dems are starting a civil war.”
  • “Is this the first shot of a civil war? Is this the tyranny mentioned in the 2nd Amendment? The Founding Fathers would have started shooting a long time ago!”
  • “It’s time for a civil war. The deep state has proven they are real, they are corrupt, they are dictators.”
  • “Civil war! Pick up arms people!”
  • “The fbi just declared war on the republic. Treat them accordingly.”
  • “A civil war is coming after what the DOJ did today.”
  • “August 8, 2022 will be remembered forever. The start of Civil War II.”
  • “Our government is pushing for a civil war. Americans are only going to take so much.”
  • “I already bought my ammo”
  • “Civil War 2.0 just kicked off.”
  • “Let’s do the war.”
  • “One step closer to a kinetic civil war.”
  • “Lock and load”
  • “Let history show that Biden and his DOJ drew first blood with this raid on Mar-a-Lago.”
  • “FBI is headed by Jews. I warned you about these demons.”
  • “We’re at war.”
  • “It’s going to be wonderful to see FBI agents get killed in the future!”
“Prior to the attack on the Capitol on January 6th, we saw unprecedented plans online to conduct real-world violence,” observed Advance Democracy president Daniel J. Jones, a former Senate Intelligence Committee staff member, in a statement to NBC News. "The online outrage was based on false allegations of voter fraud and bizarre theories of coordinated government corruption. The raid by the FBI has provoked similar violent rhetoric online—including from at least one individual charged in relation to the insurrection on January 6th.”

Jones added: “The promotion of broad government conspiracy theories by political leaders, elected officials, and political entertainers continues to undermine our democracy—and will likely lead to additional political violence.”

Ten Thousan Marbles

Well-Known Member
Feb 6, 2014

....According to the network, Perry said he was traveling with his family when he was approached by three FBI agents who had a warrant for his phone.

“They made no attempt to contact my lawyer, who would have made arrangements for them to have my phone if that was their wish,” Perry said in his statement to Fox News. “I’m outraged — though not surprised — that the FBI under the direction of Merrick Garland’s DOJ, would seize the phone of a sitting Member of Congress. My phone contains info about my legislative and political activities, and personal/private discussions with my wife, family, constituents, and friends. None of this is the government’s business.”......

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