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I really dislike that you cannot DM people. I can't find any guarantee that a premium membership will allow a conversation, so I will delete most of this message in a day or earlier if pawrestlersintn emails me.

Pawrestlersintn saw it, so deleting the rest.

Mods can delete if possible.
 
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I really dislike that you cannot DM people

the rules for it have not changed. you have to be a subscriber to initiate a PM, though subscribers can send PMs to non-subscribers, to which non-subscribers can respond

I can't find any guarantee that a premium membership will allow a conversation, so I will delete most of this message in a day or earlier if pawrestlersintn emails me.

it's located somewhere ... i don't have time to look for it. you have my guarantee that those that have a premium membership can PM anybody in the message board community, whether they have a premium membership or not
 
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Thanks Tom, I do not doubt you, I just could not find any place that stated what the benefits were.

Thanks again!
 
I am going to Nevada over Labor Day. Flying into Nevada staying in mesquite. Looking for a good beer bar, IPAs etc. No national chains.

I figured I’d hijack the thread before it’s deleted.

I am not a Nevada expert, I have been to Vegas once and Reno once. But Pawrestlersintn in no longer in TN, we might meet up in NEPA for some IPA’s, of course that does not help you at all.

And lasr time I looked, when I first joined, Intried to find out what the premium benefits were. At the time I found a page that took your money but it gave no indication of what you got for that. So, maybe this thread did help.

Now, any BBQ recipes or Iceland pics?
 
I am going to Nevada over Labor Day. Flying into Nevada staying in mesquite. Looking for a good beer bar, IPAs etc. No national chains.

I figured I’d hijack the thread before it’s deleted.
Dumb question, not judging -- why staying in Mesquite? Something going on there? Relatives nearby?

Asking because I was just thru there in May ... it's not somewhere I would recommend staying unless you were doing something specific there over multiple days. It's just a middle of the desert freeway exit with a couple casinos and just enough of a town to house the casino workers. And it's close enough to St. George and Las Vegas to do as a day trip or even commute over multiple days.
 
Dumb question, not judging -- why staying in Mesquite? Something going on there? Relatives nearby?

Asking because I was just thru there in May ... it's not somewhere I would recommend staying unless you were doing something specific there over multiple days. It's just a middle of the desert freeway exit with a couple casinos and just enough of a town to house the casino workers. And it's close enough to St. George and Las Vegas to do as a day trip or even commute over multiple days.

Yeah, you got it, jefe. I'm meeting up with an old friend from HS. Haven't seen her in 30+ years. If that meet up goes to hell, as a birdwatcher, I can visit two places in Henderson, the Virgin River Important Bird Area, Zion and Lytle Ranch.

And I agree. That exactly what Mesquite looks like to me.
 
Mesquite is very close to Utah (and St. George) as noted. Just a couple of anecdotal observations from the several times I have been there is that just about 50% of the vehicles parked at the casinos have Utah license plates.
That probably goes a long way to explaining why there is such a place at all.
 
Mesquite is very close to Utah (and St. George) as noted. Just a couple of anecdotal observations from the several times I have been there is that just about 50% of the vehicles parked at the casinos have Utah license plates.
That probably goes a long way to explaining why there is such a place at all.
Sort of like why the fireworks stores in PA were all along the NJ border... NJ people could by fireworks in PA, but PA people could not? And they could not buy any fireworks in NJ, I guess.

It'll be an interesting trip. Never been to Nevada or to Utah before, so I will add two more states to the list of states I have been in.
 
And, the places that house "ladies of the evening" in Nevada are often small border towns, much for the same reasons.

As an aside to that, most think that prostitution is legal throughout the state, but it is only legal in a handful of municipalities, Vegas not being one of them.
 
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And, the places that house "ladies of the evening" in Nevada are often small border towns, much for the same reasons.

As an aside to that, most think that prostitution is legal throughout the state, but it is only legal in a handful of municipalities, Vegas not being one of them.

Ban, are you insinuating something about my reason for going to Vegas? Or my lady friend? :rolleyes: LOL.

I hope to take some pictures, too.
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Ban, are you insinuating something about my reason for going to Vegas? Or my lady friend? :rolleyes: LOL.

I hope to take some pictures, too. Honduras 2016.
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NO! Sorry if you go that impression. A couple of you were just talking about how businesses will often operate on border towns, and Nevada's brothel industry does just that.
 
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And, the places that house "ladies of the evening" in Nevada are often small border towns, much for the same reasons.

As an aside to that, most think that prostitution is legal throughout the state, but it is only legal in a handful of municipalities, Vegas not being one of them.
True. Take Pahrump Not a border town per se, but still...) As the saying goes, that legalized activity put the hump in Pahrump.
If anyone ever listened to the Art Bell radio "Coast to Coast" program when it was on the air, that was broadcast out of Pahrump.
 
And, the places that house "ladies of the evening" in Nevada are often small border towns, much for the same reasons.

As an aside to that, most think that prostitution is legal throughout the state, but it is only legal in a handful of municipalities, Vegas not being one of them.
Actually it's by county. It's illegal in Clark County, which contains Las Vegas. Clark County also extends all the way to the AZ border, including Mesquite, so dbldoofus is likely SOL on that count.

(And just to squash the obvious question -- "how do you know that?" Had a college girlfriend from the Tahoe area, her father was an attorney in Reno ... she had a lot of stories about high school classmates who got a different kind of Driver's License on their 16th birthdays.)

PS, another example is the massive liquor store in DE, just off I-95, within walking distance of the PA border -- it's big enough to land a plane in.
 
Actually it's by county. It's illegal in Clark County, which contains Las Vegas. Clark County also extends all the way to the AZ border, including Mesquite, so dbldoofus is likely SOL on that count.

(And just to squash the obvious question -- "how do you know that?" Had a college girlfriend from the Tahoe area, her father was an attorney in Reno ... she had a lot of stories about high school classmates who got a different kind of Driver's License on their 16th birthdays.)

PS, another example is the massive liquor store in DE, just off I-95, within walking distance of the PA border -- it's big enough to land a plane in.

Never paid for it in my life, except for divorce proceedings :)
You know what they say, why is divorce so expensive?

It's worth it.
 
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Sort of like why the fireworks stores in PA were all along the NJ border... NJ people could by fireworks in PA, but PA people could not? And they could not buy any fireworks in NJ, I guess.

It'll be an interesting trip. Never been to Nevada or to Utah before, so I will add two more states to the list of states I have been in.
Sure will be, even without the meet-up.

Can give a lot more details if you want, but to give you a little snippet:
- I could write forever about Las Vegas ... but for now: be sure to use GPS as soon as you pick up your car. I-15 is the straightest line from the airport out of town, but it can get clogged around the Strip at any time of the day. Plus the main I-15 downtown interchange (aka "the spaghetti bowl") is under construction. On my way back from Zion, I got snagged in a 90-min backup at the spaghetti bowl. On a Sunday afternoon.
- I-15 in Nevada is basically huge desert expanse. Big sky, can see forever, mountains in the distance, sand and brush. Relatively flat or gentle incline. Thought it was boring on the way to Utah, really enjoyed it on the way back.
- I-15 in Arizona is a lot more up close scenic and fun. Hilly, curvy, and in spots the freeway is carved right into the mountainside. Plus more color. IIRC St. George is about 2k ft higher than Las Vegas, and most of that difference is in the Arizona stretch.
- St. George is surrounded by red rocks -- beautiful scenery. Do the parkway drives around the north end of town, and if time allows, drive around Red Cliffs National Conservation Area. But ... the town itself is not as nice as you'd expect for a resort town, not unsafe but dull and in spots kinda rundown. Think Sedona but full of lower middle class Mormons instead of wealthy hippies. Had a very nice lunch in town -- Painted Pony restaurant. Would definitely do that again. Also, as a PA native, it is incredibly weird to see everything in St. George UT called "Dixie."
- Zion is awesome -- but insanely crowded. Be sure to arrive early or even the metered roadside parallel parking spots 5 mi outside town might be gone.
- If time allows, go to Bryce Canyon as well. It's about 90 min past Zion and every bit as stunning, but from the top of the canyon. Also much less crowded than Zion. If you plan it right, leaving from Mesquite, you can do both in 2 days with an overnight stay near Bryce (Red Brick Inn B&B in Panguitch was great and convenient.) You can do all of Bryce in around a half day if you don't do a ton of hiking -- leaves some time to drive around Rt 12, which is jaw dropping.
 
You're not saying that liquor is illegal in PA, is it?!
Oh, we could start an entire thread about Pennsylvania's antiquated prohibition-era alcohol laws, and how the upgrades are incremental at best and suited to help lobbyist entrenched interests instead of the consumers.

Simple version if there is such a thing: you can't buy all types of alcohol at any one place. Nothing at convenience stores, and only some things at state licensed grocery stores (i.e., big chains with Harrisburg lobbyists). Where you buy beer and wine depends on the quantity you want to buy. And liquor can only be sold at state stores -- literally, stores owned and staffed by the PA Liquor Control Board. Wine and liquor selections stink and state store hours are terrible when not merely inconvenient. And breweries and wineries can have sales volumes for takeout capped based on what level of license Harrisburg can extort them to pay for.

A lot of people near state borders do an end run around the system, and cross the state line. My dad and sister live 3 hrs from the border, and I live 10 min from the border, so I usually get requests when I visit home.

BTW, here's an example of PA's liquor laws in action:
https://reason.com/archives/2014/12/20/pennsylvania-couple-seeks-return-of-wine
 
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You're not saying that liquor is illegal in PA, is it?!

Not illegal, just run by the state and therefor taxed! With no entrepreneurial pricing.

I have heard that PA has the second most strict alcohol policies, second only to Utah.
 
Oh, we could start an entire thread about Pennsylvania's antiquated prohibition-era alcohol laws, and how the upgrades are incremental at best and suited to help lobbyist entrenched interests instead of the consumers.

Simple version if there is such a thing: you can't buy all types of alcohol at any one place. Nothing at convenience stores, and only some things at state licensed grocery stores (i.e., big chains with Harrisburg lobbyists). Where you buy beer and wine depends on the quantity you want to buy. And liquor can only be sold at state stores -- literally, stores owned and staffed by the PA Liquor Control Board. Wine and liquor selections stink and state store hours are terrible when not merely inconvenient. And breweries and wineries can have sales volumes for takeout capped based on what level of license Harrisburg can extort them to pay for.

A lot of people near state borders do an end run around the system, and cross the state line. My dad and sister live 3 hrs from the border, and I live 10 min from the border, so I usually get requests when I visit home.

BTW, here's an example of PA's liquor laws in action:
https://reason.com/archives/2014/12/20/pennsylvania-couple-seeks-return-of-wine
I had no idea. I'm glad that I live in Iowa, where we can pretty much buy anything, anywhere, and anytime.
 
Not illegal, just run by the state and therefor taxed! With no entrepreneurial pricing.

I have heard that PA has the second most strict alcohol policies, second only to Utah.
Our liquor is taxed by the state as well, but liquor stores are independently owned.
 
Our liquor is taxed by the state as well, but liquor stores are independently owned.

I have some liquor in the garage that was "independently" made.....I dont pay any tax on it.....and it keeps you warm in the winter

#tiogacountybrewingco
#dukesofpinecreek
#dixiehasnothingontrixie
 
Supposedly home brewers are allowed to make a certain number of gallons without being taxed, but yoy would be an idiot to say you were making more than that. Plus I think it is so many gallons per family member.

I am not sure what kind of liquor you are making.
 
I had no idea. I'm glad that I live in Iowa, where we can pretty much buy anything, anywhere, and anytime.
Here's the more complicated version:
- Beer (6 packs): breweries, specialty beer stores, taverns, and state approved grocery stores. Capped at two 6-packs per transaction -- though you can buy 2, take them to your car, go back and buy 2 more, etc.
- Beer (growlers): breweries and specialty beer stores.
- Beer (cases and kegs): beer distributors only.
- Wine (bottles): wineries, state stores, and state approved grocery stores.
- Wine (cases): state stores only.
- Liquor (any): state stores only.

In the other direction:
- Breweries can sell 6-packs and growlers -- only their own beer.
- Specialty beer stores can sell any beer and growlers.
- Taverns can only sell 6-packs. (By "taverns" we'll include pizza and cheesesteak shops.)
- Beer distributors can only sell cases, kegs, and beer balls -- no smaller quantities.
- Harrisburg approved grocery stores can sell beer 6 packs and wine bottles -- but only in a separate section of the store with its own checkout. You can't buy alcohol in the regular grocery lines or regular groceries in the alcohol lines.
- PA wineries can sell their own wine on site and if their license allows, at a limited number of offsite stores. (I think the number is 4 or 5.) I don't think out of state wineries can operate a store in PA.
- State stores can sell wine and liquor by bottle or case.
- Convenience stores and Costco can't sell any alcohol. Also no New Orleans-style drive-thru daiquiri shops.
- Mail order and beer/wine of the month clubs: some are legal, some aren't, too tangled to bother.

All of the above is for direct sales to individuals for personal consumption. Restaurants and bars can buy beer directly from breweries but must buy wine and liquor from the state store. And, yes, the PA state police will go to out of state liquor store parking lots and bust PA drivers as soon as they cross the state line. (Though, really, they don't care about 1 or 2 bottles of wine -- it's about the restaurant owner who packs a truck full of cases.)

Believe it or not, this is actually more complicated yet (somewhat) better for the consumer than 10 or so years ago -- the explosion of microbreweries created new markets (breweries and specialty beer stores), and lowered barriers to entry for other markets (i.e., state store government employee unions and beer distributors lost the political clout to block grocery stores).
 
I was told once by a local brewery they could only fill “their” growlers, no one elses. But they were willing to cover the other breweries logo with duct tape to get around it. That was a new one on me.
 
Feels communistic! In Va, you can only buy liquor at the State store similar to Pa. Big push to privatize the State store's a few years back but was defeated due to revenue issues. Wine and beer can be purchased at grocery stores which is good for me as I don't consume much liquor. However, if you're on the retail side, you can only buy your alcohol from a specific distributor. Meaning, the Kroger or bar in NoVa can't buy their alcohol products from a distributor located in Richmond, regardless of cost.
I always laugh at the State government trying to increase liquor sales for revenue via their ABC agency and then on the other hand fight the DUI through their other agencies. Interesting cabinet meetings.
 
this thread should be where you post your thoughts on child rearing, wrestling politics, vacations, recipes, pictures of your ex-wives....you know the stuff people say they dont want to read in wrestling threads but get the most traffic.....

that way the folks that truely (wink-wink) dont want to see that pic of Hula Hoop girl can ....."avoid"

#ha_ha_ha_ha
#peoplewatchtrainwrecks
 
It's never about revenue no matter what they say -- because once you include the costs of running the business (state employee salary + benefits, supply chain mgmt, warehousing + inventory, etc. -- stuff the state is far less efficient at than the private sector), the state is better off applying the normal state sales tax rate to private sales.

It's about politician power, state employee union political power, and nanny state control over the population.

One of the arguments made often in PA against privatization was underage drinking. However, this was actually studied a number of years ago -- PA state stores had a significant higher rate of fake ID alcohol purchases than other states' liquor stores. Go figure, private vs. public employment incentives matter.
 
State run liquor stores aren't necessarily uncommon. I've always known that South Dakota operates their liquor industry through state run stores, but it does seem that the PA system is overly complicated.

Liquor is heavily taxed by the state, but that's not uncommon ("sin taxes"). The only quirk in our system in Iowa is that all liquor must be sold through distributors. As an extreme example of how this is required, there is a local guy who owns two breweries in this area, while also owning his own bar and grill. You would think that he could just deliver his own kegs to his own restaurant, but, no, it has to be sold to a distributor, who then sells it to his very own restaurant. Strange, but true.
 
As a bit of an aside, and a likely contender for stupid question of the day (given PA's liquor laws), does PA have legal medicinal marijuana?
 
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