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"Coach" Silvis is a vile person. One of the three PSU men charged (C-S-S) told me the following anecdote. This happened a while back before the main charges were dismissed. He was at a State College area event when PS walks up to him. PS says "you know, none of us believe the Freeh report." PS then complains and whines about how difficult it is to be a trustee in the post-Sandusky era. Talk about a thoughtless, self-absorbed horse's @ss.
That's tragic. Just consider his difficulty of being a trustee in the post JS era, being on the Kish bank boards and Head Coach at SilcoTek. Gee whiz. He probably lives in squalor that Dickens couldn't have described. I empathize with Coach.
 
"Coach" Silvis is a vile person. One of the three PSU men charged (C-S-S) told me the following anecdote. This happened a while back before the main charges were dismissed. He was at a State College area event when PS walks up to him. PS says "you know, none of us believe the Freeh report." PS then complains and whines about how difficult it is to be a trustee in the post-Sandusky era. Talk about a thoughtless, self-absorbed horse's @ss.

Silvis is pure scum.
 
Scott himself said an "athletic department source" informed him about what Silvis is (supposedly) doing. That "athletic department source" would be the tangible evidence.

You are tangible evidence that God gave some people $hit for brains to play a cruel joke on the rest of humanity......
 
"Coach" Silvis is a vile person. One of the three PSU men charged (C-S-S) told me the following anecdote. This happened a while back before the main charges were dismissed. He was at a State College area event when PS walks up to him. PS says "you know, none of us believe the Freeh report." PS then complains and whines about how difficult it is to be a trustee in the post-Sandusky era. Talk about a thoughtless, self-absorbed horse's @ss.

Sadly, this is totally believable.
Yet again another example of how these guys have no respect for the alumni and friends of PSU, much less the Paterno family or C/S/S families.
Lies, planting misleading or outright false stories in the media, hiding information, the whole Freeh-Ring Circus disaster.... They cannot work past their own egos and hubris. As I've said, being behind them is like cheering for organized crime.
 
Michy is back out of the hole I see. .... that is a bunch of BS

How you read that as 'spitting in his bosses faces....' is simply beyond comprehension.

You got some issues Michy

I told you this before and I'll tell you again - Joe is the only one we know for sure who did exactly what he should have - by continuing to keep the focus on him you (and anyone who thinks like you) only serve to put more children in harm's way.

So if you truly care about the children - put the focus where it belongs!!



^^^^wow what a great post ^^^^

been saying it for years about everyone blaming joe and acting all high an mighty that they are doing more harm than good especially these so called "reporters". I fully realized this once the clemente report came out and most people refused to read it or simply dismissed it because the paternos commissioned it.
 
Sadly, this is totally believable.
Yet again another example of how these guys have no respect for the alumni and friends of PSU, much less the Paterno family or C/S/S families.
Lies, planting misleading or outright false stories in the media, hiding information, the whole Freeh-Ring Circus disaster.... They cannot work past their own egos and hubris. As I've said, being behind them is like cheering for organized crime.
Organized crime had a sense of ethics, ask Frank Sheeran. If you f¥cked up you paid the price. If you stepped out of line, you paid the price. The OGBOT remains a narcissistic cloister of master cluster-F¥ckers who have yet to pay for their vile actions. But their comeuppance is fast approaching.
 
Dear Sue,

We apologize for firing your late husband over the phone back in November 2011. That was incredibly poor form: that news should have been delivered in a face-to-face conversation. We definitely could have waited until 10 AM Thursday instead of rushing to announce the news at 10 PM Wednesday, thus ensuring that face-to-face conversation had occurred.

We know this is years after the actual action, but we do feel the need to formally apologize for such.

Sincerely,

November 2011 Penn State Board of Trustees.

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If that happened, would Sue/Scott accept?

Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.
Look what the wind blew in.
 
Hello 666 Spinmeister!

" The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should."

No they did not. <-- This is already established fact in one court of law. See Masser deposition Corman v NCAA. Tried to spin it off as a "football distraction". Suhey tried to spin it as "retired early".

All those "attorneys" on the PSUBOT pretending they didn't know what a GJP was. Right....

BTW, I haven't received your IP addys yet. Just hit that little envelope icon in the upper right hand corner of the screen. It's not difficult.

If you don't, I will assume you owe me and several other women a public apology right here. Right now.
 
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Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

Again, I don't believe that apology is the one Scott is talking about 66. I am guessing he is looking for an apology for the smear campaign the board took part in.
In all honesty, I don't think you believe they truly acted solely with the best interests of the university as their focus.
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.
Are you f¥cking serious? After being outed this is the best you've got?WOW
 
If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.


Except it wasn't in the best interest of the university. Neither was a fraudulent Freeh report who's purpose was to defend the bot rather than investigate events.
 
Man, Mich is something isn't he.. Sometimes I wonder why he is so damn adamant about the Paterno's suing the University. He goes on and on about other people (the BOT or TSM) having no guilt in this entire tragic saga and that the Paterno's should leave them and sue the University.. Mich, why are you trying to shift the blame?! I have a feeling that you have an ulterior motive here by convincing the masses that the Paterno's should sue the University. The way you go on and on about it and deflect blame is unbelievable!
 
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Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

We are sorry we're chicken shit, backstabbing asses who handled the whole thing poorly, but we had our own selfish reasons...do you accept the apology?
 
Man, Mich is something isn't he.. Sometimes I wonder why he is so damn adamant about the Paterno's suing the University. He goes on and on about other people (the BOT or TSM) having no guilt in this entire tragic saga and that the Paterno's should leave them and sue the University.. Mich, why are you trying to shift the blame?! I have a feeling that you have an ulterior motive here by convincing the masses that the Paterno's should sue the University. The way you go on and on about it and deflect blame is unbelievable!

It's pretty simple, really. Mich is 100% Joe focused. Except his focus is on ways to paint Joe in a bad light. He thinks that if the Paternos sue Penn State that will cause more Penn Staters to think negatively about the Paternos and, ultimately, Joe. That's all he cares about in this whole sordid mess, hoping against hope that the false narrative will never be exposed to the masses for the joke that it is.
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

So they offered up a place for his funeral. Wow, you really are tied to the hip to these people. You can't undo what they did CR66. They panicked and absolutely threw him under the bus like he somehow caused Jerry Sandusky or simply allowed that man to hurt children. Then they followed it up with an 8 million dollar report pointing the finger at him because they were putting THEIR INTERESTS FIRST. You really think they were protecting the school or their little behinds? They didn't want to soil their own reputations, to they let Joe have it and then knocked down the other 3 simply because a political pissing match.

It's GD disgusting what they did. They were selfish and let petty differences destroy other decent people.....but hey they threw the Paterno's a bone for his funeral. Wow, you really are in complete denial on how badly they acted. They were not prepared and apparently had no real leaders up there. Their first thought was since Jerry was a football coach, this is Joe's problem. F--king cowards. Honestly they all were cowards. How any of them got where they did is beyond me. Actually it's not as I see dip$shits in control in a ton of places because they know the right people and know whos arse to kiss. You seem to fit right in there.
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

LOL

We are sorry you are such a d-bag and we had no choice but to call you out as such.
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

Using the word apology does not make it one. This is a self serving justification for the execution of Surma's vendetta. It was not unanimous and later testimony UNDER OATH by trustees indicated that JVP was not fired for anything he did or did not do.
Was this "apology" before or after they denied that they fired JVP?
You need another time out to clear your head.
 
Except it wasn't in the best interest of the university. Neither was a fraudulent Freeh report who's purpose was to defend the bot rather than investigate events.

Based on The Ship of Fools track record, when they think something is in the best interests of the university, they should take the complete opposite course of action.
 
If you look at it from the angle that these people thought Joe aided Sandusky in his ability to sexually abuse children for many years, their decision to grant the Paternos access to campus facilities to honor Joe is another disgrace by the decision makers.
Why would you knowingly allow a child sexual abuse enabler to be honored on your campus?
 
"Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service."

Wow. This is perhaps the most misguided comment, and from some guy sitting at a keyboard in a rental in New Jersey.

John - your pal Ken Frazier effed up. The timeline of events says what it says and no amount of #handwaving is going to change what that timeline says. When given the reins because he claimed he had plenty of experience dealing with grand jury presentments, Mr. "No Do Overs" should have simply told the media the University will wait for due process, for the FACTS to come out and to sit down and shut up until those FACTS come out.

Ken Frazier, along with the Board as whole FAILED to serve the greater good of the University, it failed the students, faculty, staff and alumni, as well as failing the surrounding community and the commonwealth.

That is who they owe the apology to. I have yet to see that issued.

Give Ken my love. <smooches>
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

And Letter to BOT...

" Dear BOT,

It is apparent that due to your failed leadership and decision making which has not only helped tarnish the very institution you are in place to protect along with the mind boggling steps put in place that have cost the University well over $100 million that you can no longer hold your positions and thus you are terminated immediately.

You still receive your football tickets though you will be moved to the top row of the visitors section where you can appropriately cheer with the opposing fan bases.

Also any acknowledgement in the past such as having names placed on buildings shall be removed immediately"

Your truly ,

Nittany Nation
 
"Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service."

Wow. This is perhaps the most misguided comment, and from some guy sitting at a keyboard in a rental in New Jersey.

John - your pal Ken Frazier effed up. The timeline of events says what it says and no amount of #handwaving is going to change what that timeline says. When given the reins because he claimed he had plenty of experience dealing with grand jury presentments, Mr. "No Do Overs" should have simply told the media the University will wait for due process, for the FACTS to come out and to sit down and shut up until those FACTS come out.

Ken Frazier, along with the Board as whole FAILED to serve the greater good of the University, it failed the students, faculty, staff and alumni, as well as failing the surrounding community and the commonwealth.

That is who they owe the apology to. I have yet to see that issued.

Give Ken my love. <smooches>

CR66 has just been "TETERBORO'D" (Think CICERO in the musical Chicago)
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

"The Board spent hours on conference calls between Saturday, Nov. 5, and Tuesday, Nov. 8, discussing appropriate action and our fiduciary responsibility as the Trustees. On Wednesday evening, Nov. 9, we met in person in State College. At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach.

We are sorry for the unfortunate way we had to deliver the news on the telephone about an hour later to Coach Paterno. However, we saw no better alternative. Because Coach Paterno’s home was surrounded by media representatives, photographers and others, we did not believe there was a dignified, private and secure way to send Board representatives to meet with him there. Nor did we believe it would be wise to wait until the next morning, since we believed it was probable that Coach Paterno would hear the news beforehand from other sources, which would be inappropriate.

Thus, we sent a representative of the Athletic Department to ask Coach Paterno to call us. When the coach called, the Board member who received the call planned to tell him that (1) the Board had decided unanimously to remove him as coach; (2) the Board regretted having to deliver the message over the telephone; and (3) his employment contract would continue, including all financial benefits and his continued status as a tenured faculty member. However, after this Board member communicated the first message, Coach Paterno ended the call, so the second and third messages could not be delivered."


If the Paterno family is looking for an apology for the actual decision to remove JVP, they shouldn't hold their breath. The Board entered into a decision for his removal because they believed it was in the best interest of the university which supersedes the interest of any one individual and/or family as it should.

"The Pennsylvania State University Board of Trustees has been asked by members of the Penn State community, including students, faculty, staff and alumni, to state clearly its reasons for the difficult decisions that were made unanimously on the evening of Nov. 9, 2011 — to remove Graham Spanier as president of the University and Joe Paterno as head football coach for the remaining three games of the 2011 season. Our decisions were guided by our obligation as Trustees, always, to put the interests of the University first."

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

You are failing this board, much like you failed Lucent Technologies. Stop. Drop. And Roll away.
 
If you look at it from the angle that these people thought Joe aided Sandusky in his ability to sexually abuse children for many years, their decision to grant the Paternos access to campus facilities to honor Joe is another disgrace by the decision makers.
Why would you knowingly allow a child sexual abuse enabler to be honored on your campus?

Great post.

Exactly right. How in the hell do you allow the Paterno's to use anything or be a part of the school in any way shape or form if your conclusion this was a COVER UP for the football program? That in itself is the most hypocritical line of thinking anyone could possibly have. The BoT fired Joe, then had Freeh proclaim the school COVERED UP for Jerry for football, but then had Joe's funeral there because they feel it's morally ok to actively hide pedohiles?

CR66 can't even think straight anymore as he's spinning his tires so hard in the mud. His post makes absolutely no sense unless he thinks the Freeh report was wrong.
 
My firm just went through the parting of ways of a very high level member of the firm, due to some things he
Great post.

Exactly right. How in the hell do you allow the Paterno's to use anything or be a part of the school in any way shape or form if your conclusion this was a COVER UP for the football program? That in itself is the most hypocritical line of thinking anyone could possibly have. The BoT fired Joe, then had Freeh proclaim the school COVERED UP for Jerry for football, but then had Joe's funeral there because they feel it's morally ok to actively hide pedohiles?

CR66 can't even think straight anymore as he's spinning his tires so hard in the mud. His post makes absolutely no sense unless he thinks the Freeh report was wrong.

...and why would they let Sue continue to use the campus for the Paterno run, and still have the Paterno name on the Library?

Seriously, if this were not happening in real life, I would never believe it in a movie.
 
And Letter to BOT...

" Dear BOT,

It is apparent that due to your failed leadership and decision making which has not only helped tarnish the very institution you are in place to protect along with the mind boggling steps put in place that have cost the University well over $100 million that you can no longer hold your positions and thus you are terminated immediately.

You still receive your football tickets though you will be moved to the top row of the visitors section where you can appropriately cheer with the opposing fan bases.

Also any acknowledgement in the past such as having names placed on buildings shall be removed immediately"

Your truly ,

Nittany Nation


Nice - They could even raise money by asking for donations to rip off a letter. Not sure if I'd want to rip one off the Hintz alumni center, or the Erickson. So many choices....
 
Great post.

Exactly right. How in the hell do you allow the Paterno's to use anything or be a part of the school in any way shape or form if your conclusion this was a COVER UP for the football program? That in itself is the most hypocritical line of thinking anyone could possibly have. The BoT fired Joe, then had Freeh proclaim the school COVERED UP for Jerry for football, but then had Joe's funeral there because they feel it's morally ok to actively hide pedohiles?

CR66 can't even think straight anymore as he's spinning his tires so hard in the mud. His post makes absolutely no sense unless he thinks the Freeh report was wrong.


I've said the same thing to many at PSU. " If you truly believe what you are spinning, get the name off the library. I'll fight you the whole way, but please be consistent"
 
Would they accept? The Board already issued such an apology back on March 12, 2012 and we haven't heard of any JVP family member accepting so the answer appears to be clearly no. This from the official Board statement of March 12th, 2012:

Rather than looking for apologies and suing the university, perhaps the JVP family should consider thanking the university for providing a venue for the family patriarchs memorial service.

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I take back everything I said about not feeling like an idiot when I read MichnittLion's posts.

When I read Zipay's posts, I feel like a Nobel Prize Laureate.

That's even better.
So, this John Zipay is the guy who has been posting from the bunker deep inside that relic from The Third Reich, Jasna Polana.
 
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