Media fear mongering is 100% nonsense.

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  1. TN Lion

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    It doesn't matter how many cases?? Have you had the virus? Dumbass.
     
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    Do you really think that everyone who had the virus knows it, dumbass? What a stupid question. Try watching the news once in a while.
     
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    You’re angry at hearing the truth rather than left wing spin aren’t you?
     
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    When he said that the number of cases doesn't matter I turned it off. The virus is awful, even if it doesn't kill you the effects are life altering. Saying that the number of cases don't matter is a ****ing joke. Have you had the virus? Where do you find theses uneducated morons?
     
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    Mike Jones: TN is one of the dumber Trump Cultists, to be sure. He’s got Misspelled Squirrel, MtShittany, and (especially) bankofstupidity beat, but that’s not saying much.
     
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    Life altering for what percentage of the infected? Loss of jobs is also pretty life altering, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Good to see that people - people like this Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institute and former Chief of Neuroradiology at Stanford University - starting to say all the things I was saying back in March (four months ago).

    Now, if we can get the media to let the people in on the dirty little secret that a vaccine isn't the slam dunk they've been leading everyone to believe, we might be able to get somewhere.
     
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    Yep....



    The infection fatality rate for people less than 70 is 0.04%. It’s absolutely bat shit crazy to keep the economy shut down over that. We can protect the high risk folks and reopen at the same time.

    Also if someone does get the virus there’s a highly effective outpatient treatment that’s cheap and safe.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318 (Chloroquine is a Potent Inhibitor of SARS Coronavirus Infection & Spread covid19)

    https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586 (Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis)

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v2.full.pdf (Median infection fatality rate of coronavirus for those under 70 is just 0.04%)
     
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    The guy is well educated and is a Doctor at Stanford. And speaking of morons, he likely has more education and credibility than you.

    Perhaps you should be less narrow minded and more open and tolerant to people that express an opinion that is different than the mostly incorrect and close minded liberal view or narrative of the things happening around you. Liberals like you often demonstrate problems seeing the big picture and putting things into a real life perspective. But I’m sure that’s a skill you can work on developing.
     
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    Tony Robbins is not my medical expert. Not addressed in your video is infection rate (sky high) and morbidity (significant). There is no highly effective safe, cheap and effective out patient therapy. Just not true. I believe we can open the economy in a responsible way, but we haven’t. Wearing a mask is not an infringement on your civil liberties. Limiting large indoor crowds is prudent.
     
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    Just like Trump isn't your President....

    Maybe you should go find your safe space o_O
     
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    They say vaccine and when one is ready they will move the goalposts once more.
     
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    Until the election is over and then the 24/7 fear porn will stop.
     
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    Well, you may want to put a muzzle on Filthy Don if you want to slow it down..
     
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    Rules for thee, not for me...

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

     
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    How are the effects of the virus life altering? Some people had it and never even knew they had it and they're as healthy now as they ever were. The virus affects people differently. It drastically alters some peoples lives and it doesn't alter some other peoples lives at all.
     
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    You clearly didn’t watch the video or read the links I provided. Either that or you have severe comprehension problems. Robbins wasn’t giving advice he simply was giving a platform for experts to talk. The infection rate was discussed. Since it spreads so quickly and easily this is the reason the infection fatality rate is so low (large denominator) similar to the flu. Flu is actually more dangerous to healthy adults and children.

    Yes there is a safe and effective outpatient treatment. 5 studies including two controlled clinical studies prove this. Read. The. Links.

    You’re the poster boy for a brainwashed sheep.
     
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    You contradicted yourself. Some people who survive have long lasting medical issues associated with the disease. Others barely have symptoms. We don'
    We need to walk and chew gum at the same time. We need to fight the virus and responsibly respond to the protesters and their issues.
     
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    It’s life altering in that it’s just yet another crisis that the “do nothing” Democrats are trying to pathetically use to fool and scare people for cheap political gain.
     
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    Holy shit you are amazingly stupid. You stay on ignore.
     
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    How is it life altering? After everyone didn’t die, we had to remind people how sick they would get. After everyone didn’t get sick, we had to come up with ways it affected children. After it didn’t affect twenty somethings, we had to remind everyone that they could infect grandma and grandpa. That’s all after flattening the curve which isn’t good enough and we now need a cure to move forward.
     
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    LOL

    I like a lot of your posts, Mike, but I think you're just missing some perspective here with regards to Covid.

    Sure, as with ANY disease, there can be "life altering" complications.

    The perspective that you're missing is that, contrary to what CNN would have us believe, such complications have shown to be very rare - As they are with the diseases brought on by most other viruses.

    Over time, mostly through cold and flu viruses, we as a society have established that the risk level that these diseases present to us are generally acceptable. We exercise a little extra caution wrt the flu and infants, and the elderly, but otherwise nobody else lives in fear of the flu - even though it kills and/or presents complications for a small percentage of people of all ages.

    There is an age group for which we all agree should not contract this virus. We all agree the risk level to them is too high. They should protect themselves, and the rest of us should be aware of their risk and collectively help protect them when/where reasonably possible.

    For the rest of us however, the risk level of this virus presents equal to less - and for the young, much less risk - than the risk level that our society has established as acceptable to live a normal life within the society without fear of contracting the virus.

    That is the perspective many, including yourself, are missing

    CNN doesn't do a story on every person under the age of 50 that dies of the flu, like they do for those that die of Covid. CNN doesn't run a story for every person that is hospitalized for a month due to respiratory complications from the flu, like they do for every instance brought on by Covid. So, it SEEMS as if every case of Covid is dangerous - or above the risk level we've established as acceptable.

    But besides the group that we all agree should not contract it, that's simply not even close to true.
     
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    I actually did watch the Robbins video. I wasn't that impressed. There is a scientific difference of opinion. Shocker. The clips in the video were short. Did he edit out other information in the videos to make his point? What were the dates of these clips/interviews? Thoughts on the virus change over time.
    The fatality rate is significantly higher than the flu. Some survivors have long lasting health damage.
    I did not look at your links regarding cheap, effective , safe treatments. It is simply not true. If it were the case we would not have a problem. Everyone would be using the treatment. No one is hiding treatment for political purposes. Not happening.
     
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    It is math. Pretty simple early on to show the numbers were fantasy.

    LdN
     
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    How do you know it's not true if you didn't look at the link? You're amazing. Is the American Journal of Epidemiology not good enough for you? They are the ones who produced the study that showed there were 5 outpatient trials (2 of which were controlled clinical studies) that shows HCQ has significant efficacy.
    This is exactly the reason the above mentioned study and others similar to it are being blacked out by the msm. The msm WANTS fear and WANTS this to last as long as possible. How else do you explain their actions in ignoring this groundbreaking info and instead have been running nonstop hit pieces on HCQ? Do you really think that if the msm doesn't talk about something it isn't true?? Please tell me you aren't that naive.
     
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    Drs. Fauci, Birx , Redfield and Collins as well as the former heads of the NIH and CDC and WHO have not said there is a cheap, effective and safe treatment for COVID. Dozens of physicians on the air waves have not mentioned the treatment. Governors and Mayors have not mentioned the treatment. I don't believe all these people are in on the conspiracy.
    I believe there is research into treatments and preliminary studies. I'm not qualified to evaluate those studies. I don't believe Doctors worldwide would ignore a cheap, effective and safe treatment. I don't believe the MSM would prevent sick people from being treated. Furthermore, Doctors don't read the NYT or WAPO or watch CNN or MSNBC to learn treatment modalities.
    Now, if QAnon had said a treatment exists.......
     
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    Love it brother. Keep up the fight for common sense.
     
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    I don’t think you guys are actually in too much disagreement.

    One side says there are promising studies on treatments. Those studies are going largely unreported for political points.

    The other side says that they are preliminary/early studies that have not been yet recommended by public health officials.

    Both of these takes can be true at the same time.
     
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    There are dozens and dozens of studies showing HCQ+Zpak+zinc is an effective treatment, especially in the outpatient setting. The only studies that have shown it not to be effective (VA, lancet) were biased/fraudulent (only gave the treatment to people who were already on their death bed, made up data, etc.). What studies are the "experts" you cite relying on?

    Drs. Fauci, Birx, et al have been wrong time and time again and you still listen to them?? Bhahaha! Guess what, thousands of doctors have been using the outpatient treatment with great success. Just b/c a handful of corrupt talking heads don't mention it on the MSM everyday you think it doesn't exist. It does and the study done by the American Journal of Epidemiology corroborates all of the thousands of pieces of anecdotal evidence from front line PCP's.

    Despite the black out there are some doctor's/experts who have found their way onto some of the msm shows but they weren't given much attention.






    Do you not realize Fauci and many others at NIH/CDC/etc. have a MASSIVE COI re: their position b/c they stand to make a lot of money via their vaccine patents? Do you not realize how much money big pharma pumps into congress and the MSM?
     
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    The point I take issue with is the conspiracy. Everything is a conspiracy. He runs out of toilet paper and its a conspiracy. Not reporting or under reporting preliminary or anecdotal studies is not a conspiracy. Three weeks ago the media loudly reported dexamethasone as a cheap, effective treatment for hospitalized COVID patients. Why did the MSM report this if there is a conspiracy against reporting inexpensive therapies?
     
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    How else would you describe it? I bet if Trump mentioned dexamethasone there'd be less reporting on it b/c Orange man bad.

    Maybe back in March/April you could give the msm a pass for not reporting on HCQ+zinc treatment b/c there wasn't as much data but by this point we have a mountain of evidence/data (anecdotal and clinical studies) and the msm's continued black out of this information is criminal IMO. There are a few cracks in the blockade appearing though as we saw even cnn reported last week the promising study out of Michigan.

    What's your explanation for the msm loudly and repeatedly reporting on the negative hit piece/biased studies on HCQ but not giving the same attention or any attention at all to the positive studies? They are allowing their hatred of Trump and financial COI's to overrule their duty to report important information to the public.
     
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    I get it. But the people that green light these stories at media outlets can pull the plug on a story for any number of reasons. And in this case, because HCQ was endorsed early by trump, and then the media went all in attacking him for it, the people who do control what gets air time are unlikely to go back on their criticism of HCQ. It’s why retractions end up at the back of a paper. It’s not that it’s a conspiracy. It’s that it’s SOP. The beef should be with initial politicization of HCQ in the first place. The MSM did exactly what trump did: jumped at the chance. Trump jumped the gun because he thought it was an encouraging thing. The MSM jumped on it because they could beat up trump. Neither side waited for the appropriate level of evidence.
     
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    The media are liars and there are lies of commision and lies of omission. The media has to be all Orange Man Bad all of the time. Thus, any positive news that would reflect well on Trump must either be ignored or downplayed, if ignoring it is not possible. It is definitely not going to change before the election and may not change afterward either.
     
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    This ^^^^.

    Also here’s a good interview re: the msm’s campaign against HCQ and how it cost lives:
     
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    I saw a TV interview last night of a doctor who is a Professor of Infectious Diseases at Florida International University, and is heavily involved in Florida’s battle against the Coronavirus. She said that they now routinely do lung x-rays of people treated for Coronavirus, and noted that 67% of the young people treated for the Virus (most of them asymptomatic) had incurred substantial scarring of the lungs. She did not get into whether such scarring is temporary or permanent, but it is cause for concern.
     
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    Okay, let's do research and keep track of it all, I'm all for that. That said, asymptomatic people probably aren't receiving treatment and thus probably not getting x-rayed. And plus, they think now (and again, let's keep doing research) that some people had it months ago and never knew, either because they never got sick or because they got sick but thought it was the regular flu and they eventually got better.
     
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    A lot of people have had the virus and didn’t know it. Not a lot of life alteration there. Speaking of uninformed morons....
     
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    Entirely possible. Is that due to a failure in the system or just because the virus exists? It’s not going away no matter how long you want to lock down for. All you can do is delay the inevitable, and that delay comes at a cost too.

    The symptoms are awful sometimes. People can die. None of that changes the policy decisions that should be made, which is to say don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Manage hospital capacity. Local and/or regional lockdowns if capacity gets squeezed. Encourage masks and distancing as a slowing (not stopping) mechanism. Let the least at risk make their own choices.
     
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    Did she explain 1) why there would be scarring without any symptom-causing trauma?; and/or 2) How they determined that the scarring was caused by Covid?
     

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