Sure looks a whole lot more like a Cover up than we got blamed for.
I'm awaiting Delaney's and Emmerts expert opinions.
McMurphy: Text messages show Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations
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Sure looks a whole lot more like a Cover up than we got blamed for.
I'm awaiting Delaney's and Emmerts expert opinions.
The big difference here is there is evidence that Urban sent colleagues to talk her out of filing charges. So he didn't report it up the ladder and get out of the way, it appears he may have actively sought to cover it up. Yet he won't be accused of a coverup, and Joe was....
Sure looks a whole lot more like a Cover up than we got blamed for.
I'm awaiting Delaney's and Emmerts expert opinions.
They are driving to Ohio University to meet with the AD, President and Coach to hand out penalties.
To me, the most damning part of the story for Meyer is that two of Meyer's closest friends allegedly went to Gainesville and attempted to convince Courtney to drop the 2009 charges.
LOL. or somehow taking more of the Penn State bowl money from last year and giving it to OSU and MSU.
Maybe Urbs will fire AD Gene Smith over this.
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I cant tell you how much I hate seeing LE treat domestic violence this way. I would say 75% of DV cases I saw involved recanting victims. This will sound like bragging, but I don't care, I am proud of it. I took every single one to trial or made them plea regardless. I won cases where the victim testified for the defense. You just cannot see those pictures and hear the report given to officers the night of and turn a blind eye when they recant later. If they cant protect themselves, you as LE have an obligation to. If the judge or jury believes the victim, then fine, that's their role. But don't just drop the charges because of a recant... Weak prosecution.
And ESPN loves them some Urban Meyer. They will either spin this story like a top or wont even bother with it. I'm going...Not even bothering with it.
Has there been a "ticker" yet on ESPN? I doubt it.
Lets hope CNN digs up that sage reporter Sara Ganim and turns her loose on the scandal.
Totally agree. He isn't getting fired for this. THE IRONY of this is overwhelming.
They recant because they think they will die, in many cases. Leaving an abuser is one of the most dangerous things a woman ever does. And the protection for her is weak.
It honestly doesn't make sense as to why he would he even say he didn't know. I still don't think he gets canned for it, unless there is more there like he helped talk her out of police reports in the past, but why lie last week in Chicago. If he had told the truth it'd be no problem.
But he runs the place. How could he not know? He knows everything that goes on there!!
I think you're right though. It'll blow over since, unlike Joe, Meyer doesn't have a raft of boosters and media looking to settle scores.
Funny how they're talking that Meyer's wife was a mandated reporter as a nurse, and should have reported it.
Yet no one in the media said McQueary's dad or Dranov should have reported it.
Yet no one in the media said McQueary's dad or Dranov should have reported it.
Blaming Meyer's wife? Apparently they'll go to any length to protect Urbs even if it means throwing his wife under the bus. Will he stand up for her and come clean or will he hide behind her while she takes the heat? Burn it down. Burn it all down.
Just like scumbag Dantonio. The media was fired up for a few days, dantonio said I’m not resigning, and the media moved on. I agree that the Meyer situation blows over. Makes you wonder what would have happened if the psu brass stood up to the media instead of backing down.
Blaming Meyer's wife? Apparently they'll go to any length to protect Urbs even if it means throwing his wife under the bus. Will he stand up for her and come clean or will he hide behind her while she takes the heat? Burn it down. Burn it all down.
His wife is heavily involved in all this based on McMurphy's report
The guy should be gone. And ohio State is the sec school of the big which is why they are winning.
I think the outcome of this depends on how hard the media jumps on it. Meyer could be done or very quickly it could all blow over. The power of the media is ridiculous these days.
Less dangerous than STAYING with an abuser.
Urban royally f@#$ed up by lying about this last week. He should have just admitted that he should have fired him in 2015, and taken the flak. This is now exponentially worse.
Zach Smith is the first assistant coach that Urban has fired in his entire career.
Urban's teams have nearly always been very good, of course. And loyalty to your direct reports isn't necessarily a bad thing. But the above still seems, to me, to be a rather remarkable fact.
Zach Smith seems like a guy that isn't worthy of anyone's loyalty.
Not always true by any means. You seem to think "away" means "safe."
The fact that ESPN has yet to cover this AT ALL on their platforms is a very good sign for Ohio State.
Loyalty is fine, when it's deserved. I don't see that hear, and Urban obviously knew what was going on and didn't care. His program was imploding at Florida with problems which is why he left. He's the modern Barry Switzer. Trust, saban isn't clean either.
No one is that great every single year without ever having a slight rebuild.
Worth looking into Urban's "fixer"
A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”
That guy is still with Urban, and he is the guy that covered up shady shit at UF.
On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.
That aint the first time he has been involved in things like this. The real story is there for any journalist willing to dig into that guy.
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“Zach once told me,” said Courtney, “if he ever got fired and this all comes out: ‘I’ll take everyone at Ohio State down with me.’ ”
A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”
That guy is still with Urban, and he is the guy that covered up shady shit at UF.
On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.
That aint the first time he has been involved in things like this. The real story is there for any journalist willing to dig into that guy.
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“Zach once told me,” said Courtney, “if he ever got fired and this all comes out: ‘I’ll take everyone at Ohio State down with me.’ ”
Very true. The court of public opinion (aka social media) is not rational or reasonable in 2018. It's even worse than when PSU had its internal issues 7 years ago. If the feminist, "pussy hat" wearing crowd or any of their ilk digs in on this things can get very ugly, very quickly in Columbus.
That quote is interesting. I posted earlier about some OSU fans worrying that Zach would spill the beans now.
It looks to me Meyer really stepped in it which is too bad. I have/had a lot of respect for him.
Meyer is not responsible for the behavior of Zack Smith. But when you find out about shiz like this, he's gotta go, whether he's related to Earle Bruce or no.
You have to call up Earle and tell him, 'Looka, you mean the world to me but I got bad news. Your grandson is a F-up and he's gotta go. Now. Today. And here's why'.
Meyer is the CEO of a major, major operation and he's being paid a king's ransom. There is a lot of responsibility goes with that. And when you abdicate that responsibility and start telling a bunch of easily-checkable lies, then YOU'RE the F-up.
What kind of real leader would put up with this? And from a Machiavellian point of view - kill one prince and the rest get the message. Every other person in the organization gets the message they better not act the fool. If the boss just canned Earle Bruce grandson for this, what will he do to me?
Sometimes things aren't easy. But you gotta do them anyway. Don't like it? Fine. Then stay an anonymous position coach at Youngstown State and nobody will care. Otherwise? Do. Your. Job.
Meyer is not responsible for the behavior of Zack Smith. But when you find out about shiz like this, he's gotta go, whether he's related to Earle Bruce or no.
You have to call up Earle and tell him, 'Looka, you mean the world to me but I got bad news. Your grandson is a F-up and he's gotta go. Now. Today. And here's why'.
Meyer is the CEO of a major, major operation and he's being paid a king's ransom. There is a lot of responsibility goes with that. And when you abdicate that responsibility and start telling a bunch of easily-checkable lies, then YOU'RE the F-up.
What kind of real leader would put up with this? And from a Machiavellian point of view - kill one prince and the rest get the message. Every other person in the organization gets the message they better not act the fool. If the boss just canned Earle Bruce grandson for this, what will he do to me?
Sometimes things aren't easy. But you gotta do them anyway. Don't like it? Fine. Then stay an anonymous position coach at Youngstown State and nobody will care. Otherwise? Do. Your. Job.
Hiram de Fries - the name alone. He SOUNDS like the type of guy who would be a villain, married to a woman that owns 101 spotted dogs.
What to do? Tosu was already burned down to the ground over the pretty pervasive strauss cover-up.
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