Man-bites-dog story: A Catholic Bishop grows a pair

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I am sorry to hear that happened to you. No one should ever experience such a thing. Have you sought any help in dealing with it?

I can see your resentment as to the Catholics who now try to minimize or even deny it was (and is?) a huge problem. I'm not excusing them, but there were also many (most?) life long devout Catholics (good people) who were too brainwashed (like all religions do to some extent as a control mechanism) to admit what should have been obvious to them. They didn't support it or tolerate it as much as they turned their minds off from thinking about it because they were "taught" that it was wrong to ever think anything bad about the clergy. That was so sick.....victimizing kids and making them (and their families) feel guilty about accusing/exposing their abusers.
That's close to it .
 

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Geebs .......... again you are making no sense : allowing religion to trump law. No separation of church and state for yinz. No surprise with Jerry . You ? And Jerry how do you feel about what your Catholic institution has been the cause of over the years and years and years .....?
How do you feel about what Socialism has been the cause of over the years and years and years and …?

Look, if Pelosi doesn’t like what the Church represents, she is perfectly free to quit the Church. It’s her choice. This is America. No one is forcing anyone to go to church. But she choses to publicize her Catholicism, so don’t complain when the Church calls her out for violating its tenets. And don’t use the Church for your own political gains, which seems to be what many politicians, like Pelosi and Biden, do.
 
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NJPSU

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Nj, it doesn’t work that way. You consume it when you receive it. They pay attention for just this sort of reason (actually worse ones)
I’m Catholic. I’ve received communion a bazillion times. Absolutely nothing would happen if you simply turned and walked back to your pew without putting it in your mouth.

I mean seriously, what do you think would happen?
 

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I’m Catholic. I’ve received communion a bazillion times. Absolutely nothing would happen if you simply turned and walked back to your pew without putting it in your mouth.

I mean seriously, what do you think would happen?

NJ, you are getting dumber by the minute.

Still waiting for you to answer bdgan's question. Am sure you are "researching". lol
 
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NJ, you are getting dumber by the minute.

Still waiting for you to answer bdgan's question. Am sure you are "researching". lol
Ha…and I’m sure you are still “researching” the great financial crisis of 2016. :cool:
 

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Ha…and I’m sure you are still “researching” the great financial crisis of 2016. :cool:

Where did I say I was researching the financial crisis of 2016? Come on, NJ, I know you can do it.

You, however, did state that you might justify the federal spending increase from 2019 to 2022. Well, we're waiting. . .

That’s why I asked. I might be able to justify it if I had more information.
 
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Wasn't this commie pope a big promoter of "liberation theology"? Now, he warns his priests to stay out of politics? hmmmm

I have to smh at what these two octogenarians have done in the short time they have been in office. One has brought a two thousand year old religion to its knees and the other has nearly destroyed a Constitutional Republic that has endured pandemics, depressions and numerous wars (including a civil war) and still stood tall until he and the Squad and his other Leftie friends/puppeteers took office.
"Commie pope?" I knew you were a little off kilter, but this thread shows that I was underestimating things by quite a bit.

Are you even Catholic? I frickin' LOVED the hyperbole about Francis bringing "a two thousand year old religion to its knees." It sure is a good thing Catholics have you here to serve as their Oracle.
 

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I’m Catholic. I’ve received communion a bazillion times. Absolutely nothing would happen if you simply turned and walked back to your pew without putting it in your mouth.

I mean seriously, what do you think would happen?
You might be surprised my friend. You think those ushers are threatening when they push the collection basket? You ain’t seen nothing
 

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I’m Catholic. I’ve received communion a bazillion times. Absolutely nothing would happen if you simply turned and walked back to your pew without putting it in your mouth.

I mean seriously, what do you think would happen?
Next time you go to church, tell the priest or Eucharistic minister you will take it home and eat it. Watch what happens.
 
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"Commie pope?" I knew you were a little off kilter, but this thread shows that I was underestimating things by quite a bit.

Are you even Catholic? I frickin' LOVED the hyperbole about Francis bringing "a two thousand year old religion to its knees." It sure is a good thing Catholics have you here to serve as their Oracle.
Is this the new rule then, Chubby? I guess we won't be seeing anymore critical statements from you about conservatives, Republicans, Easterners, rural residents (esp, from WVA) or any other group you aren't (or weren't) a member of. Amirite?

Left-tards: if it weren't for double standards , they would have no standards at all.

Let me ask you, Fatty Arbuckle, do you rely on any actual life experiences before you make such cutting comments or are you just relying on the Leftist Handbook for all of your deeply held "principles"? LOL, of course, there's no need to answer that.....it's obvious from your posts....

BTW, I am a former Catholic and the opinions I express on the subject come from either first hand knowledge or from the experiences of my friends and family. I had to make decisions about my Church and my place in it in real life, what is your history in this regard? Since you a quick to judge, I have to assume you have lots of firsthand knowledge to back it up. Oops.....
 
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Next time you go to church, tell the priest or Eucharistic minister you will take it home and eat it. Watch what happens.
Hey, Lefties can make their own rules up to suit them......no Church doctrine or rule and no stinkin' Constitution is gonna stop them, cause they stand for truth and justice and righteousness....
 
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I am sorry to hear that happened to you. No one should ever experience such a thing. Have you sought any help in dealing with it?

I can see your resentment as to the Catholics who now try to minimize or even deny it was (and is?) a huge problem. I'm not excusing them, but there were also many (most?) life long devout Catholics (good people) who were too brainwashed (like all religions do to some extent as a control mechanism) to admit what should have been obvious to them. They didn't support it or tolerate it as much as they turned their minds off from thinking about it because they were "taught" that it was wrong to ever think anything bad about the clergy. That was so sick.....victimizing kids and making them (and their families) feel guilty about accusing/exposing their abusers.
I don’t like that guy but a friend of mine was abused by a priest . I have a serious problem with the Catholic Church over this issue, and part of it is the brain washing of the masses.
 
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How do you feel about what Socialism has been the cause of over the years and years and years and …?

Look, if Pelosi doesn’t like what the Church represents, she is perfectly free to quit the Church. It’s her choice. This is America. No one is forcing anyone to go to church. But she choses to publicize her Catholicism, so don’t complain when the Church calls her out for violating its tenets. And don’t use the Church for your own political gains, which seems to be what many politicians, like Pelosi and Biden, do.
I'm sure there's a Branch of the Crystals and Incense Church of Karma right there in Pacific Heights that would welcome her with open arms. But she'd have to disavow her right wing tendencies and move much further left to become a full member. A match made in "heaven" (they don't actually use that term, but you know what I mean).
 

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Next time you go to church, tell the priest or Eucharistic minister you will take it home and eat it. Watch what happens.
What happens if you simply turn and walk back your pew? Do you think communion for the whole mass would suddenly stop as they chase you around the church? Call the police?

Obviously, in this hypothetical scenario, nothing would happen.
 

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How about that for all catholics whom support the church and the egregious institutionalized pedophilia that I was a victim to? EABOD's your righteousness . Can't bring yourself to can you ?

Kick, first of all, I'm sorry to hear of your terrible experience and don't blame you for being bitter.

Now that said, there are some points that need to be made here:

The man who victimized you betrayed not only you but also the Church. The crime he committed was a grotesque offense against the laws of God...and the Church.

Bitterness is one thing, but your suggestion that people like me couldn't bring themselves to acknowledge these crimes is ridiculous and outrageous. In fact, many Catholics -- I was one -- were in the forefront of those condemning the Judas priests in question and those bureaucrat Bishops who tried to cover up the whole mess.

We also demanded accountability and punishment, which was delivered to a great number of offenders but to the Bishops: not so much. Furthermore, we understood and loudly stated -- we are still stating in fact -- that the Church would never get beyond this crisis until the roots of faithlessness were exposed and torn out.

Regarding "roots of faithlessness," there's a critical thing to understand here: the scandal was not in fact rooted in "pedophilia" but rather in active homosexuality on the part of faithless priests. The large majority of victims were in fact post-pubescent males.

I should also emphasize that the vast majority of priests were and are good men. I served as an altar boy for five different priests while growing up and not once saw anything untoward. I later went to a Jesuit college with many priests on the faculty, and they were all exemplary. Of course they all ended up getting tarred by a small minority of scumbags who should never have been ordained.

Lastly, I want to share with you a letter that my wife and I wrote to Archbishop Lori (Baltimore) a few years ago during the disgusting McCarrick chapter of the scandals. The letter had some impact and ended up being circulated to a number of priests in the diocese:

Dear Archbishop Lori,

We write to convey some thoughts on your homily titled "Accountability For All A Must," which was dated July 30 and published on the archdiocesan website.

We are long-time parishioners of Sacred Heart of Glyndon, parents of six (to include a Poor Clare nun), grandparents of 19 (and counting), and people who have tried to build their lives around the Catholic faith and Church teaching.

We appreciate the sentiments expressed in your homily and thank you for sharing them with your flock.

However, with all due respect, Your Excellency, in our humble view: It's not enough.

While your mournful tone is indeed in keeping with the grave nature of the subject matter, there's one emotion conspicuously missing -- and we note that it's been similarly missing from various recent letters to the faithful on the part of bishops addressing the issue of (former) Cardinal McCarrick, the latest face of the scandal that never seems to end.

The emotion we speak of is righteous anger. The kind demonstrated by Jesus when he overturned the tables of the moneychangers in the Temple 2,000 years ago.

As it is, reading the text of your homily and the letters of the other bishops, one gets the sense that the words are drawn from the same talking points, composed by lawyers and public relations people. That being the case, there is a certain bloodless and unconvincing quality to them.

Personally, Your Excellency, we're pretty angry. We have reason to be. So do you. So does anyone in authority truly wanting to find out who knew what and when with respect to McCarrick. And how many other McCarricks are still out there, in high places or low.

Furthermore, we think the emphasis on pedophilia and crimes against minors, as despicable as those crimes are, is misplaced and perhaps even a device to divert attention from the larger problem, which it seems to us the bishops have no interest in confronting.

The problem we refer to is a widespread environment of homosexuality within the priesthood and, correspondingly, widespread violations of vows of celibacy that are tolerated or approved by those in authority.

Please understand: We're not talking about men who, from human weakness, fail and fall and sincerely repent. God knows, weakness is the human condition, and we are all subject to it. Rather, we're talking about a mindset that holds the Commandments to be somehow optional and the moral law only selectively applicable.

The point is, this pattern of sexual misconduct and the mindset underlying it have created a culture of corruption and lies within the Church, and the abuse of minors, horrific though it be, is but an inevitable outgrowth of that culture. It is the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

Your Excellency, sexually active priests and those in authority who condone such behavior or themselves engage in it (Exhibit A: McCarrick) are living a grotesque lie. Those lies are devastating the Church. This catastrophic scandal, which is robbing people of their faith and their souls, will not end until the lying ends.

Thank you sincerely for your time and attention,

(Names)
 

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What happens if you simply turn and walk back your pew? Do you think communion for the whole mass would suddenly stop as they chase you around the church? Call the police?

Obviously, in this hypothetical scenario, nothing would happen.

If somebody was caught taking the eucharist out of the church, they would be confronted by the ushers. From a legal standpoint alone, it is considered stealing. And if you were Catholic and you did this, you would be ex-communicated under Canon Law.

If you don't understand the importance of the eucharist to the Catholic Church then you aren't Catholic.
 

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If somebody was caught taking the eucharist out of the church, they would be confronted by the ushers. From a legal standpoint alone, it is considered stealing. And if you were Catholic and you did this, you would be ex-communicated under Canon Law.

If you don't understand the importance of the eucharist to the Catholic Church then you aren't Catholic.

One of the issues with receiving Communion in the hand, as is now widely done, is that it's thereby easier to abuse the sacrament. Satanists in particular have been known to take a consecrated host for desecration in their rituals.

However, many priests now will actually watch as you consume the host...or at least put it in the mouth. If you walk away from the altar with it, they will stop you right there and then.

It should also be emphasized that receiving Communion in the mouth is no guarantee against abuse. But it does make such offenses more complicated for those perpetrating them.
 

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If somebody was caught taking the eucharist out of the church, they would be confronted by the ushers. From a legal standpoint alone, it is considered stealing. And if you were Catholic and you did this, you would be ex-communicated under Canon Law.

If you don't understand the importance of the eucharist to the Catholic Church then you aren't Catholic.
If you ran up to the altar and snatched the batch of wafers from the priest and made a mad dash for the door that might happen. That wasn’t what I was describing.

If you went up for communion received the wafer and simply turned and walked back to your pew absolutely nothing would happen and there’s a 99% chance nobody would even notice as the next person will have already moved in to receive their wafer.
 

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One of the issues with receiving Communion in the hand, as is now widely done, is that it's thereby easier to abuse the sacrament. Satanists in particular have been known to take a consecrated host for desecration in their rituals.

However, many priests now will actually watch as you consume the host...or at least put it in the mouth. If you walk away from the altar with it, they will stop you right there and then.

It should also be emphasized that receiving Communion in the mouth is no guarantee against abuse. But it does make such offenses more complicated for those perpetrating them.
My church has at least four lines for communion so it would be very easy to receive communion from someone other than the priest. I highly doubt they would even notice especially if you made a motion towards your mouth as you turned to walk away.
 

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My church has at least four lines for communion so it would be very easy to receive communion from someone other than the priest. I highly doubt they would even notice especially if you made a motion towards your mouth as you turned to walk away.

That's a good point actually. A lot of lay people distributing Communion at Mass are not terribly attentive. And for that matter, many priests aren't either.
 

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My church has at least four lines for communion so it would be very easy to receive communion from someone other than the priest. I highly doubt they would even notice especially if you made a motion towards your mouth as you turned to walk away.
So, you think that's a good workable plan for Nancy then? I hope she tries it and she is exposed in the process. There are a number of blue collar Catholic Soc/Dems who are also devout Catholics. They may find her actions a bit.....off-putting...... to say the least...this will be good for the November elections (not like the Republicans need this kind of help)....
 

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So, you think that's a good workable plan for Nancy then? I hope she tries it and she is exposed in the process. There are a number of blue collar Catholic Soc/Dems who are also devout Catholics. They may find her actions a bit.....off-putting...... to say the least...this will be good for the November elections (not like the Republicans need this kind of help)....
No but it would be funny.
 

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I don’t like that guy but a friend of mine was abused by a priest . I have a serious problem with the Catholic Church over this issue, and part of it is the brain washing of the masses.
The catholic church gets a lot of criticism for this, as they should, but sex abuse allegations at the church are exaggerated. For instance, more teachers and school administrators commit sex abuse on children at a higher proportion than priests. I dont see people associating pedophilia with schools as much.
 

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The catholic church gets a lot of criticism for this, as they should, but sex abuse allegations at the church are exaggerated. For instance, more teachers and school administrators commit sex abuse on children at a higher proportion than priests. I dont see people associating pedophilia with schools as much.
Fake news. Big difference between a 26 year old female teacher banging a willing 17 year old football player and a 50 year Priest diddling a 12 year old boy.
 
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The catholic church gets a lot of criticism for this, as they should, but sex abuse allegations at the church are exaggerated. For instance, more teachers and school administrators commit sex abuse on children at a higher proportion than priests. I dont see people associating pedophilia with schools as much.
Actually I do, however you’re comparing separate organizations to one. Think about it, one memo from the pope to aggressively go after this and it makes a huge difference.
Compare that to thousands of schools. Many churches are stand alone in the Protestant church or have a loose affiliation with the larger governing body.
 

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The catholic church gets a lot of criticism for this, as they should, but sex abuse allegations at the church are exaggerated. For instance, more teachers and school administrators commit sex abuse on children at a higher proportion than priests. I dont see people associating pedophilia with schools as much.
As for me I know one friend who was molested as an alter boy, he didn’t tell me until recently . The church did what they always did, move them around .
 

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Geez, kicker. You're being criticized by Doofus. That's gotta hurt. LULZ ... :cool:

Geez, LB. Misspelling "doofus" while calling someone a doofus has gotta hurt. LULZ...:cool:

Isn't spelling kind of important at Cal Law (lol)??

What need is there to make anything up, dufus? Read the following linked article for yourself. You will discover that neither the FDA nor Joe Biden caused this shortage. Abbott Laboratories managed that all by itself. To compound things, Abbott has traditionally made roughly 25% of this country's supply of baby formula.

Joe Biden deserves credit for doing something about the shortage. You deserve mockery for your ignorant braying.

 
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Geez, LB. Misspelling "doofus" while calling someone a doofus has gotta hurt. LULZ...:cool:

Isn't spelling kind of important at Cal Law (lol)??
Read and learn that you qualify as both:

Dufus vs Doofus - What's the difference?​


dufus | doofus | Alternative forms|

Doofus is an alternative form of dufus.​


Dufus is an alternative form of doofus.​

As nouns the difference between dufus and doofus

is that dufus is (colloquial) an inept or stupid person while doofus is (slang) a person with poor judgment and taste.


 

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Read and learn that you qualify as both:

Dufus vs Doofus - What's the difference?​


dufus | doofus | Alternative forms|

Doofus is an alternative form of dufus.​



Dufus is an alternative form of doofus.​


As nouns the difference between dufus and doofus


is that dufus is (colloquial) an inept or stupid person while doofus is (slang) a person with poor judgment and taste.



Funny stuff, LB. How's Biden's economy? Is Biden a doofus or a dufus?
 
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