Looks like pelosi caves in Taiwan

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I happen to believe that she should go. The reason we are having to deal with this is Biden's previous feckless handling of Russia wrt Ukraine. Biden blinked at every threat Putin gave. Xi has learned well that all needs be done is threaten Biden and he folds like a lawn chair. And Biden's continuing to cower is to invite even more of this type behavior. Next will be Kim Jong Un. Then Iran. Then ...

Biden needs to stand ground and not give into threats by anyone else otherwise we will be walked upon by every Fascist dictator across the globe. The word will be out that you can get anything you want now with Biden at the helm. It needs to stop now. Biden basically gave Putin the green light to invade Ukraine with his making a distinction between an "incursion" vs an "invasion", suggesting our response would be limited with a "minor incursion". Then not doing anything after the invasion that might "upset" Putin. The word is out.

I think the prudent thing would have been to avoid the entire mess, but once the plans were announced and the Chicoms went apeshit, it became a lose-lose proposition: cancel the trip and it looks like you surrendered to Chicom intimidation; don't cancel it and you risk an unpredictable Chicom response that could trigger a crisis.

In short, just another day at the office for Dem-Media whose fatal incompetence is exceeded only by its invincible arrogance. But whatever happens, the propaganda organs, which put the "Media" in Dem-Media, will continue to run interference for the Emperor With No Clothes. Hell, we could all be sitting in ashes, and they'd continue their patented Animal Farm imitation of Squealer the Pig.
 
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Nancy decided to walk into Corn Pop’s neighborhood for fun. Corn Pop has now told Joe and all of Joe’s buddies that he has to stop Nancy or game on.

Does Joe want to take on Corn Pop again, or does he want to let Corn Pop know that he can be intimidated? Simple bully mentality and game theory.

Too bad that the game being played has no winning scenario. Taiwan probably loses, although it probably loses eventually anyway. We lose either through embarrassment or war.

Octogenarian leadership at its finest.
 

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I think the prudent thing would have been to avoid the entire mess, but once the plans were announced and the Chicoms went apeshit, it became a lose-lose proposition: cancel the trip and it looks like you surrendered to Chicom intimidation; don't cancel it and you risk an unpredictable Chicom response that could trigger a crisis.

In short, just another day at the office for Dem-Media whose fatal incompetence is exceeded only by its invincible arrogance. But whatever happens, the propaganda organs, which put the "Media" in Dem-Media, will continue to run interference for the Emperor With No Clothes. Hell, we could all be sitting in ashes, and they'd continue their patented Animal Farm imitation of Squealer the Pig.

Maybe she can just vacation again in that troubled war zone of Kiev.

LdN
 

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Wait, wut?! I thought you cons had told us that Pelosi "caved" and cancelled her trip to Taiwan. Isn't that what this whole thread was about? Read the thread title.

She and her Dem-Media friends have created a potential crisis where there didn't need to be one.

A domestic economy that is failing, a nation that is historically divided, a proxy war in Ukraine that didn't need to be fought...and y'all feel impelled to add a confrontation with the Chicoms??

Still, if at this point she does go ahead with the visit that didn't need to happen, I'll be the first to say I got it wrong in my prediction that it would be cancelled.

But if all hell breaks loose afterward, I'll remind you people yet again of the perils associated with giving power to a senile President and corrupt Party.
 

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Turns out you, Jerry and your fellow fascists are wrong, as always. Taiwan and US say the trip is on to Taiwan. Jump-to-conclusions-always-wrong Oblivious is trying to backtrack and now the fascists are going to say she shouldn’t have gone, as it‘s too dangerous.
You should read. She dropped it from the itinerary. She caved. Then she caved again when people complained. Now nobody knows what she is going to do (probably her either)

By the way I posted her flip flop before you did
 

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You should read. She dropped it from the itinerary. She caved. Then she caved again when people complained. Now nobody knows what she is going to do (probably her either)
No, she didn’t, asshole. You’re justmaking shit up, like one of your bogus “stories”.
 

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You should read cnn
It’s simple, so even you should understand it: It was Pelosi‘s idea, Biden was against it from the start but discussed it with the Chinese president. The entire matter is a tempest in a teapot despite China’s posing.
 

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It’s simple, so even you should understand it: It was Pelosi‘s idea, Biden was against it from the start but discussed it with the Chinese president. The entire matter is a tempest in a teapot despite China’s posing.
So not even Pelosi is listening to sleepy Joe a few months before the mid-term elections. Wow, holly crap. we are in a bigger dumpster fire than I thought
 

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In any normal functioning market, the Chinese killing Pelosi would be the most bullish event since the invention of the assembly line.
 

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It’s simple, so even you should understand it: It was Pelosi‘s idea, Biden was against it from the start but discussed it with the Chinese president. The entire matter is a tempest in a teapot despite China’s posing.
The whole thing is stupid and pointless. Nancy Pelosi does not need to go to Taiwan and really has no reason to. Talk about stepping in shit. How stupid are these people.

People, likely the Taiwanese, are going to suffer because of this idiocy.
 
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It’s simple, so even you should understand it: It was Pelosi‘s idea, Biden was against it from the start but discussed it with the Chinese president. The entire matter is a tempest in a teapot despite China’s posing.

Biden doesn’t “”discuss” anything with Xi. He takes orders. And by all indications from the few read outs that we got of that disaster of a phone call, Xi told Biden to keep Pelosi the fvck out.

Kirby’s “Presser” yesterday afternoon was an International embarrassment. He acted like some little kid in a school yard that just had his lunch stolen from him by some muscle bound bully.

If I’m Australia, Japan, or South Korea, I’m sh!tting my pants right about now.
 
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Pelosi should have never, stupidly, announced the trip in the first place unless she was drop dead sure she was going. If she doesn’t go, we know that that Xi phone call with Biden last week was an a$$ whipping where Xi gave Biden his marching orders.

Unlike Trump, where every phone call was pretty much public knowledge, this one is almost impossible to get any official read out on. Indications are that Biden, as expected, caved on just about everything. That’s what happens when your President has been compromised and is a mole for your most dangerous adversary.

Thanks to this Pelosi fiasco, Taiwan is now toast.
That’s exactly right!

She created an unnecessary confrontation and put the incompetent and inept Biden administration in an uncomfortable position .

It’s hard to believe anyone in her position was this stupid, but then she’s nothing but an elitist Democrat. This is what happens when you vote for a Democrat clown show.
 

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The whole thing is stupid and pointless. Nancy Pelosi does not need to go to Taiwan and really has no reason to. Talk about stepping in shit. How stupid are these people.

People, likely the Taiwanese, are going to suffer because of this idiocy.
American leaders have good resaons to visit Taiwan. They are an ally and a vital trading partner in the region. To be honest it should have been the president.
 

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Reports are that Pelosi's aircraft will land in Taipei between 10:30-11:00 this morning (Washington time).

If true, the happiest guy on the planet is Putin because one of the potential consequences of Nattering Nancy's mystifying stunt may be Chicom support for Moscow getting a lot more robust.

Seriously, this is a head-scratcher. Dem-Media's government is up to its neck in a proxy war in Ukraine. Why would they go out of their way at a time like this to provoke the Chicoms with a pointless in-your-face gesture?

Oh well, thank heavens the Bad Orange Man was replaced by "adults." I mean, things were going so badly for us, and now just look at everything that wise, mature leadership has done in the space of only 18 months. It's amazing really...
 
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American leaders have good resaons to visit Taiwan. They are an ally and a vital trading partner in the region. To be honest it should have been the president.
The Speaker of the House has no need to go to Taiwan. Especially without consulting the Executive first.
 
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Reports are that Pelosi's aircraft will land in Taipei between 10:30-11:00 this morning (Washington time).

If true, the happiest guy on the planet is Putin because one of the potential consequences of Nattering Nancy's mystifying stunt may be Chicom support for Moscow getting a lot more robust.

Seriously, this is a head-scratcher. Dem-Media's government is up to its neck in a proxy war in Ukraine. Why would they go out of their way at a time like this to provoke the Chicoms with a pointless in-your-face gesture?

Oh well, thank heavens the Bad Orange Man was replaced by "adults." I mean, things were going so badly for us, and now just look at everything that wise, mature leadership has done in the space of only 18 months. It's amazing really...

Typical SNAFU with this administration. With the sensitivity of China/Taiwan Nutty Nancey and Sleepy Joe should have collaborated on a potential visit with a plan as to what to do when China blustered. Now, they look like idiots and are driving Russia/China into eachother's arms.
 
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Typical SNAFU with this administration. With the sensitivity of China/Taiwan Nutty Nancey and Sleepy Joe should have collaborated on a potential visit with a plan as to what to do when China blustered. Now, they look like idiots and are driving Russia/China into eachother's arms.
You would have thought that Nutty Nancy and Sleepy Joe would have been at least smart or astute enough to wait until after the Xi Presidential election in China was behind the them before pulling this unnecessary provocation, especially in light of the Ukraine fiasco.
 

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You would have thought that Nutty Nancy and Sleepy Joe would have been at least smart or astute enough to wait until after the Xi Presidential election in China was behind the them before pulling this unnecessary provocation, especially in light of the Ukraine fiasco.
I commend her for going. She had to once they screwed it up. let's hope China doesn't do something dumb. Regardless, it is great for Putin and every nation that is enemies with the USA and at a time that couldn't be worse.
 
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I commend her for going. She had to once they screwed it up. let's hope China doesn't do something dumb. Regardless, it is great for Putin and every nation that is enemies with the USA and at a time that couldn't be worse.
Exactly, it’s just mind boggling that someone in this position could not have predicted the reaction of China as you say, “at a time that couldn’t be worse”. It’ll be interesting to see what, if anything China does now to save face. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevail and this will be background noise, but my sense is that won’t be the case.

It bothers me a lot that over the years we “stupidly” got ourselves into a bad position with China and we depend on them for so many essential items. Unfortunately, we depend of each other, but they hold a lot of cards that can be crippling to this country. And truthfully, I’m afraid that their hand is better than ours right now.

Bottom line, this country better wake up, recognize who we’re dealing with, and take appropriate corrective action in the future.
 

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You should read. She dropped it from the itinerary. She caved. Then she caved again when people complained. Now nobody knows what she is going to do (probably her either)

By the way I posted her flip flop before you did
She is in Taiwan now. Never said she wasn't going there, lots of speculating though, especially by the conspiracy mob (cons).
 
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She is in Taiwan now. Never said she wasn't going there, lots of speculating though, especially by the conspiracy mob (cons).
She had to go, but she put herself, the Biden Administration, and this country in a bad and risky position by her naivety, arrogance, and stupidity. This clown show isn’t over yet and hopefully it’s more noise than anything else. It make take several months for the dust to settle on thus cluster fu*k until we fully know.
 
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Our local con MAGAites are never happy unless they are complaining about what is going on in our country.
They are very predictable and boring.
 
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Our local con MAGAites are never happy unless they are complaining about what is going on in our country.
They are very predictable and boring.
It’s impossible not to complain considering the stupidity of the Democrat clown show destroying our country. And the only thing that’s fully predictable, but far from boring, is that tomorrow is another day and another self imposed crisis compliments of the Democrat clown show.
 

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Wait, wut?! I thought you cons had told us that Pelosi "caved" and cancelled her trip to Taiwan. Isn't that what this whole thread was about? Read the thread title.
So, as you read the duties of the speaker, why is she going to Taiwan or any of the Asian nations in the first place? Its not like Biden asked her to....she's the highest ranking American politician to visit Taiwan in 25 years according to news reports. So why now?
She can't reaffirm us commitment to Taiwan because Biden has twisted himself into a pretzel trying to muddy us/Taiwan relations. So why go?
You might think that with the emphasis on CO2 emissions and global warming democrat leaders might be a little more sensitive to this. Similarly, we're $30trillion in debt. Is there a real need to spend?
And, in the end, what do taxpayers get out of this trip?
 

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I commend her for going. She had to once they screwed it up. let's hope China doesn't do something dumb. Regardless, it is great for Putin and every nation that is enemies with the USA and at a time that couldn't be worse.
You contradict yourself with your typical hypocrisy after you’ve been proved wrong, as always.
What is the title of this thread and who started it?
And who predicted that in your posts she’d be damned if she went and damned if she didn’t?
You‘re so predictable with your bogus posts and your made up “stories”.
 

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You contradict yourself with your typical hypocrisy after you’ve been proved wrong, as always.
What is the title of this thread and who started it?
And who predicted that in your posts she’d be damned if she went and damned if she didn’t?
You‘re so predictable with your bogus posts and your made up “stories”.

Not so, when this post was initially posted, it appeared like she caved to pressure from the Biden Administration. But both Nutty Nancy and the Biden Administration has been getting so much political criticism in the past few days they’ve been actively trying to cautiously look for ways to recover from the self inflicted cluster fu*k they themselves created. So she ended up going again.

The truth is that nobody knows for sure if any Democrat is coming or going anymore, including them. It’s a total clown show.
 

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We do not know why Nancy is going to Taiwan.

We do not know for sure if Joe OK'd the trip before or after it was announced.

We do not know why the stop in Taiwan was left off her itinerary even though she eventually went there.

We do not know what possible benefits could come from Nancy going to Taiwan.

We DO know that the trip would anger Xi. He actually stated that to Joe.

We DO know that once she announced the trip she would have to go to avoid appearance of being bullied.

Can anyone here explain the risk/benefit analysis for the trip? The Taiwanese understand the delicate situation, so they could travel here for any discussions. Nancy is not the right person to create a tiff with the CCP. This is the bottom line for America. Why did Nancy decide to take this risk. Please, give some explanation.
 

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Reports are that Pelosi's aircraft will land in Taipei between 10:30-11:00 this morning (Washington time).

If true, the happiest guy on the planet is Putin because one of the potential consequences of Nattering Nancy's mystifying stunt may be Chicom support for Moscow getting a lot more robust.

Seriously, this is a head-scratcher. Dem-Media's government is up to its neck in a proxy war in Ukraine. Why would they go out of their way at a time like this to provoke the Chicoms with a pointless in-your-face gesture?

Oh well, thank heavens the Bad Orange Man was replaced by "adults." I mean, things were going so badly for us, and now just look at everything that wise, mature leadership has done in the space of only 18 months. It's amazing really...
IMO this wouldn't be an issue if Pelosi would have gone but announced it. Afterwards China would have denounced the trip and that would have been the end of it. Instead the trip was leaked and China threatened retaliation. Now neither side can back down without losing face.
 

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IMO this wouldn't be an issue if Pelosi would have gone but announced it. Afterwards China would have denounced the trip and that would have been the end of it. Instead the trip was leaked and China threatened retaliation. Now neither side can back down without losing face.

Yup, worst of all worlds. Hard to see how it could have been handled worse.

Well the ball's in the Chicom court now. It seems like they've backed themselves into a corner with all their hysterical screeching. It's all but certain they'll do something. Just what that might be we're going to find out very soon.
 
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Not so, when this post was initially posted, it appeared like she caved to pressure from the Biden Administration. But both Nutty Nancy and the Biden Administration has been getting so much political criticism in the past few days they’ve been actively trying to cautiously look for ways to recover from the self inflicted cluster fu*k they themselves created. So she ended up going again.

The truth is that nobody knows for sure if any Democrat is coming or going anymore, including them. It’s a total clown show.
Bullshit.
What proof do you have? Nada, as always.
 

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Does anyone not think that if a Republican Speaker of the House took this trip to Taiwan that the Dims and MSM would be accusing them of sabotaging Biden's foreign policy agenda??
 

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So, as you read the duties of the speaker, why is she going to Taiwan or any of the Asian nations in the first place? Its not like Biden asked her to....she's the highest ranking American politician to visit Taiwan in 25 years according to news reports. So why now?
She can't reaffirm us commitment to Taiwan because Biden has twisted himself into a pretzel trying to muddy us/Taiwan relations. So why go?
You might think that with the emphasis on CO2 emissions and global warming democrat leaders might be a little more sensitive to this. Similarly, we're $30trillion in debt. Is there a real need to spend?
And, in the end, what do taxpayers get out of this trip?
No one is arguing that she has a "duty" (constitutional or otherwise) to travel to Taiwan. At the same time, are you seriously going to maintain that Pelosi is the first member of Congress to go on a tour of some foreign countries? Senators and Representatives routinely travel to visit foreign countries and have done so historically! The President is, without doubt, the primary architect of U.S. foreign policy, but members of the legislative branch also have a role to play in U.S. foreign policy.
 

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Still, if at this point she does go ahead with the visit that didn't need to happen, I'll be the first to say I got it wrong in my prediction that it would be cancelled.
Reports are that Pelosi's aircraft will land in Taipei between 10:30-11:00 this morning (Washington time).

If true, the happiest guy on the planet is Putin because one of the potential consequences of Nattering Nancy's mystifying stunt may be Chicom support for Moscow getting a lot more robust.

Seriously, this is a head-scratcher. Dem-Media's government is up to its neck in a proxy war in Ukraine. Why would they go out of their way at a time like this to provoke the Chicoms with a pointless in-your-face gesture?

Oh well, thank heavens the Bad Orange Man was replaced by "adults." I mean, things were going so badly for us, and now just look at everything that wise, mature leadership has done in the space of only 18 months. It's amazing really...
Yup, worst of all worlds. Hard to see how it could have been handled worse.

Well the ball's in the Chicom court now. It seems like they've backed themselves into a corner with all their hysterical screeching. It's all but certain they'll do something. Just what that might be we're going to find out very soon.
Well? We're waiting ...