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Parsley, sage and rosemary.
LOL
Oops.....theme! Gimme a break man, rough after-the-game tailgate yesterday.
I think that's a very fair question. We went from "walking on air" and disparaging comments about Lubbert to voting for Lubert for Chair followed by a ringing endorsement of him. Then the expectation that we would hear a lot more after 9/17.
I love you for all you've done Anthony, but it is time to throw your constituents a bone and let us know what to expect next, if anything.
Easy there. He said after 9/17. Just didn't say what day, month, or year for that matter.
When I last visited here, I said that I would begin making more substantive posts after September 17th.
Here we go...
First, the Board meetings last week were entertaining as always. The proposed change to the Expectations of Membership to limit social media interactions between Trustees and alumni and friends is likely the most fascinating development in an ongoing effort to squelch dissent. Of course, this is a feeble attempt to intimidate. Sad.
Second, the details of the Commemoration at yesterday's game were not shared with the entire Board until Friday morning. We did get a preview of the three videos.
Finally, our review of the Freeh Source Materials continues. Hats off to the efforts of Alice Pope, Larry Schultz and Mary Waldman. Alice has done a masterful job herding the cats. Larry and Mary have been invaluable additions to the team.
Although I cannot comment on our findings, I can say that I am EXTREMELY pleased with our efforts thus far.
By the way, I had the good fortune to participate in Friday's celebration of the Legacy of the Grand Experiment. Words cannot express the fellowship that more than 500 Lettermen and their spouses enjoyed. I hope to post the video I took of Mike Reid performing the song he wrote for the event. Lots of tears.
I'm sure this post isn't substantive enough for some but this is the best I can do today.
Here we go...
First, the Board meetings last week were entertaining as always. The proposed change to the Expectations of Membership to limit social media interactions between Trustees and alumni and friends is likely the most fascinating development in an ongoing effort to squelch dissent. Of course, this is a feeble attempt to intimidate. Sad.
Second, the details of the Commemoration at yesterday's game were not shared with the entire Board until Friday morning. We did get a preview of the three videos.
Finally, our review of the Freeh Source Materials continues. Hats off to the efforts of Alice Pope, Larry Schultz and Mary Waldman. Alice has done a masterful job herding the cats. Larry and Mary have been invaluable additions to the team.
Although I cannot comment on our findings, I can say that I am EXTREMELY pleased with our efforts thus far.
By the way, I had the good fortune to participate in Friday's celebration of the Legacy of the Grand Experiment. Words cannot express the fellowship that more than 500 Lettermen and their spouses enjoyed. I hope to post the video I took of Mike Reid performing the song he wrote for the event. Lots of tears.
I'm sure this post isn't substantive enough for some but this is the best I can do today.
Well, that was a lot of nothing. No explanation of votes or statements.
Are you still pleased with Ira's leadership?
Are you still pleased with Ira's leadership?
Anthony,
Thank you for your post. It is tough for all of us to be patient but we have no other choice. I for one continue to believe in the A9. Many of us appreciate your efforts which substantially higher than any one of us and more than many collectively.
We will continue the fight and I appreciate your efforts. We and I am sure you will never give up.
Thanks,
Nick Nemeth
Thank you for your post. It is tough for all of us to be patient but we have no other choice. I for one continue to believe in the A9. Many of us appreciate your efforts which substantially higher than any one of us and more than many collectively.
We will continue the fight and I appreciate your efforts. We and I am sure you will never give up.
Thanks,
Nick Nemeth
It's all under seal like everything else. It's a secret. We're not grown up enough to know. Maybe someday.
For 5 years we've been waiting for substantive answers. It didn't take Freeh 5 years to concoct his bullshit that was largely contrived by the Executive Committee and other lackeys. Two plus two isn't adding up to be four here, something stinks and is amiss.
Not a slam on Anthony, that isn't my intent, but the time frames aren't adding up nor are the so called "facts".
Not a slam on Anthony, that isn't my intent, but the time frames aren't adding up nor are the so called "facts".
I appreciate your efforts and those made by the other alumni trustees Anthony, but this can't be allowed to go on forever. On the one hand I would not want the review of the Freeh Report trash to be anything less than immensely thorough but on the other hand we are way past hungry for results. At long last, the worm needs to turn because in the meantime we are continued to be tortured by utter nonsense like this http://theundefeated.com/features/penn-state-doesnt-get-to-decide-joe-paternos-legacy/. Deliver us from evil like that spewed forth by Mike Wise.
Did anybody stand up during the " preview " and just express that that was pretty weak?
Can we at least get an estimate of when you expect the review of freeh materials to wrap up?
We alums have been getting crushed in the media and left out to twist in the wind defending ourselves and our school for far too long. The sooner PSU refutiates the freeh B.S. and holds those folks who facilitated it (frazier, peetz, erickson, surma, corbett, et al.) accountible the sooner we can start to reclaim our reputation (although the current narrative is always going to be believed by many).
I think one of the few ways to turn it around would be when the freeh review and lawsuits finish, to produce a netflix type documentary series that will walk everyone through the timeline and FACTS. Similar to the documentary making a murder. That's the only way to turn around the current narrative on a mass scale IMO.
We alums have been getting crushed in the media and left out to twist in the wind defending ourselves and our school for far too long. The sooner PSU refutiates the freeh B.S. and holds those folks who facilitated it (frazier, peetz, erickson, surma, corbett, et al.) accountible the sooner we can start to reclaim our reputation (although the current narrative is always going to be believed by many).
I think one of the few ways to turn it around would be when the freeh review and lawsuits finish, to produce a netflix type documentary series that will walk everyone through the timeline and FACTS. Similar to the documentary making a murder. That's the only way to turn around the current narrative on a mass scale IMO.
What a bizarre world we live in. Paterno's legacy should be decided by people like Linda kelly and Frank Fina. The fact that people cling to Freeh report just proves they simply are justifying their preconceived notions.
I have to admit I'm somewhat underwhelmed. I understand no specific comments can be made on the Freeh review material but it would be nice to get an estimated timeline of when the review should be done. Several weeks? Several months? Longer?
Nothing to explain the significant 180 on Lubert. And after the astonishing vote of confidence by the A9 at the last meeting the old guard BoT moves to prevent any dissent or public opposition at this meeting. Seems like usiness as usual.
Nothing to explain the significant 180 on Lubert. And after the astonishing vote of confidence by the A9 at the last meeting the old guard BoT moves to prevent any dissent or public opposition at this meeting. Seems like usiness as usual.
Who cares?
If that is something that elected Trustees of PSU waste time on - - - without even putting into the mix the things they spend NO TIME on - - - that would be just sad.
All the bricks and objects brought to the site where the statue stood were unceremoniously dumped into a garbage truck by PSU employees in the 1st quarter. This on a day that the 50 years of teams, players and achievements of which JVP was the coach were ostensibly being "honored." I understand that there are sensitive issues that you cannot discuss Anthony. But as a Trustee, can you at least give us the name of who ordered this disrespectful act? You should be outraged. Someone should be accountable.
Of course it didn't take Freeh long to concoct his "bullshit" because it was just that. He just had to keyword search and take emails and interviews out of context to fit a preconceived narrative. It's going to take a lot longer to look at ALL of the evidence and construct a timeline of what actually happened in order to accomplish what we need to accomplish.
Goddamnit! WTF is this?
Looks like another victory for the bad guys.
Darth Lubert proves that the Dark Side will continue to rule over the Happy Valley galaxy for the foreseeable future, only now he has the blessing of the alumni representatives. Thanks Big Tony.
Looks like another victory for the bad guys.
Darth Lubert proves that the Dark Side will continue to rule over the Happy Valley galaxy for the foreseeable future, only now he has the blessing of the alumni representatives. Thanks Big Tony.
Nothing wrong with "finding out who did it" wrt the mementos
But, seriously, we don't have one person who will say one word about hundreds of millions of dollars of waste/graft/corruption - that are going to be stolen from the pocketbooks of PSU students, their families, and the citizens of PA - - - when it's happening right in front of their noses, while they have microphones in front of their mouths, and it all moves forward with THEIR explicit consent.............
And the big "issue" we have is that they should find out who sent out the trash crew?
Seriously?
Actually, I really don't think i want to know how most folks would answer that question.
I realize Anthony is the one taking the bullets because he is the one who puts himself out there. I've said this before, and I'll say it again, but the one who has done absolutely nothing is Jubelirer. I'm guessing we all voted for him because we needed someone with some political clout to move this thing along. I've learned, however, that he is nothing more than a politician. He said alot, but he's done nothing. And we ought to put Yudichak in the same boat. He did alot of talking, but he's done nothing as well.
I didn't prioritize the issues did I? To me the disrespect is part of a bigger issue. If I use your logic, this board is insignificant as many people deal with issues of life and death. Get over yourself.Nothing wrong with "finding out who did it" wrt the mementos
But, seriously, we don't have one person who will say one word about hundreds of millions of dollars of waste/graft/corruption - that are going to be stolen from the pocketbooks of PSU students, their families, and the citizens of PA - - - when it's happening right in front of their noses, while they have microphones in front of their mouths, and it all moves forward with THEIR explicit consent.............
And the big "issue" we have is that they should find out who sent out the trash crew?
Seriously?
Actually, I really don't think i want to know how most folks would answer that question.
Everyone is sick and tired of "something big is going to happen on xx/xx/xx date". Just stop it, everyone. Until you have something that actually does matter, shut up. I don't care how much you have been fighting the good fight, everyone is tired of hearing "I know something you don't know -- but I'm not going to say it now". Just be quiet until you have something to say that actually matters. Because no one believes that will ever happen after being teased time and time and time again.
For those fighting the good fight, please continue doing so. But please shut up until there is something substantive (and I mean REALLY substantive).
Sorry to be so blunt but I am beyond tired of the Lucy and Charlie Brown FG attempt.
For those fighting the good fight, please continue doing so. But please shut up until there is something substantive (and I mean REALLY substantive).
Sorry to be so blunt but I am beyond tired of the Lucy and Charlie Brown FG attempt.
No......you didn't
For that I am thankful........
While I have no way of knowing, and wouldn't assume, how you - specifically - would do so.........as I said earlier:
"I really don't think I want to know how most folks would answer that question"
I recently retired after 36 years and thought maybe we would move back to PA to be closer to PSU and family (some in State College). But with this unending saga, and all of the lies and deception beneath it, it's now impossible to visit without thinking of the Organized Crime in control of the university, media, courts, agencies, and much of the state government.
And finally, we now understand that none of this is likely to change in our lifetimes, because one of the perpetrators of this nonsense has an awful legacy running the very Bureau that should be conducting the investigation.
And finally, we now understand that none of this is likely to change in our lifetimes, because one of the perpetrators of this nonsense has an awful legacy running the very Bureau that should be conducting the investigation.
I have been hopeful that something good would come out today. After all the trashing that PSU, the Paternos, alumni and fans have taken over the past two weeks, I am more than disappointed. I feel like AL just said "don't worry, I got your backs, but not today. Maybe someday later, but not today. "
I'm not judging Anthony one way or another, but I would ask each member of this group who is judging Anthone to start their next post listing what they have personally done to repudiate the Freeh Report, correct the governance at PSU, and to honor the participants in 50 years of Success with Honor.
I didn't bash Anthony and I made that clear. I've been hounding the BoT and politicians via email to get off their collective asses and intervene. Wolf is also guilty of doing nothing. He stated he knew the problems at Penn State before he was elected.
I never received answers from Barron, Barbour, Corbett, and others.
Not sure if folks are "judging Anthony", as a person.....but maybe you're right....IDK
I certainly don't "judge Anthony" (Or Bill Oldsey, or Alice Pope, or....whomever) as individuals.
I posted this elsewhere....not sure if I posted it here before or not....but if I have not, thought it might fit here:
"A (very) brief conversation with one of the A9 prompts me to want to post this:
None of the folks sitting in the A9 chairs....none of those individuals....is guilty of doing "less than their part" in this entire fiasco.
Fill in the blanks with the name of any member of the A9:
...
"_________ has done more than anyone could expect them to do, and more than anyone has a right to demand"
Fill in the name of ANY of the A9, and that statement is UNDENIABLY true.
Of that - - - - there is no doubt.
The issues with the folks in the A9 seats is not personal (not for me anyway)....if one can pardon the worn out "Godfather" reference - "It's not personal, its business"
Because it is also UNDENIABLY true that if this is the best we can be wrt those seats (and maybe it is) - then the battle is lost. Turn out the lights.
There is not/has not been a stampede of capable folks waiting in line to fill those A9 seats. Its a bitch of a job.
That doesn't change the fact that what is needed - I mean ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED - if we have any chance of success, is a full 9 member contingent that is a tightly packed collection of brains, balls, and backbone.
An absolutely righteous, committed group that is willing to risk EVERYTHING - - - - for no reward other than the CHANCE to rescue Penn State.
How many of THOSE folks are out there?
We all like to say "I will never give up"....and I have no doubt that in nearly every case we mean that with all of our heart.
I also know that simply "not giving up" isn't going to win the battle.......not even close.
Are there eight other folks out there that are willing to put everything on the line.....with no self-interests - with no reservations - with no expectations.......solely for the CHANCE that maybe, just maybe, PSU can be rescued from these bastards?
I don't know.
But the alternatives are not good.
It is up to us."
Exactly. It boggles the mind that someone here would tell Anthony to shut up under any circumstances.
Hat tip to Anthony for being the only trustee to vote against emeritus status for Jabba the Eckel.
Easy. I have my degree and don't give any money to the University. I wonder what would happen if the Commonwealth did the same. I love PSU and the education I received but there is a real problem with leadership in post-secondary institutions (not just PSU). In a time they cry for more money, they turn around and waste money on projects, while giving themselves raises, and patting themselves on the back. It happens far to regularly in government and the private sector too. Cut staff, pensions, no wage increases, but turn around and grow admin., give them perks and bonuses. I've witnessed it time and time again where staff is asked to sacrifice but there is no leading by example.
It's probably too late for a scorched earth policy. Would have been interesting to see how it would have turned out if such an approach was deployed.
StinkStankStunk,
If you are the person I'm thinking you are, you have stood up and done something. Thank you for that. My post was referring to the people on this forum who complain about Anthony but whose activism doesn't go beyond complaining on this board. Rather than just typing away on BWI, FB, and Twitter, get out there and do something. Make a difference! If you don't like what the A9 are doing, then go ahead and run against them next year. Or try getting yourself appointed by the Governor. Put an ad in the newspaper. Show up at the site and leave a brick. Write a letter to the editor. Find a reason to start your own lawsuit against the University...
I hear what you're saying - and no one wishes folks would be more "active" than I do
That said, that justification wrt the actions of the folks who DO sit in those seats, is a classic deflection
Whatever someone else does or doesn't do, does not justify the actions - or mitigate the responsibilities - of the folks who DO sit in those seats, who DO hold those positions of both authority and RESPONSIBILITY......... when they shit the bed
Yes, as I alluded to before, it would be wonderful (it may very well be crucial) if many, many more folks would step up and be willing to make the sacrifices to SERVE
We obviously, and unfortunately, do not have that
We also, obviously and unfortunately, have not seen those who DO fill those chairs act as Reaponsible Stewards
That doesn't mean they are "bad" people
That doesn't mean that you, I, or the guy down the street would do better
It DOES mean that if we can't do one hell of a lot better than what we have done over the last four years......its all over
Unless, of course, all one is concerned about is "409/PSU FOOTBALL/JVP/and the aspects of "Freeh" that deal with such"
That stuff will all be taken care of - I am confident in that - so the folks who's concerns are limited to that arena.......and I am sure there are a hell of a lot of those folks...... will be completely satisfied (eventually)
La Vie
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