Juror speaks
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No surprises. She was looking for a reason to convict, and she found it.
her logic makes zero sense. If they thought GS conspired to protect PSU then why did he get a 12-0 vote of not guilty. She must have been in the minority about the conspiracy charge, and wants to get her view in the public to spite the other folks in the jury that didn't agree with her.
".....conspired to protect Penn State?" Where is that coming from? In none of the documentation cited is it ever mentioned that the decision was being made to protect Penn State or the football program. So what was the motive? Maybe there was no motive and maybe this was, as they say, a judgement call based on garbled communication.
She is why I will waive a jury if ever I am tried..... irrational
He needed to explain his actions to jurors like her. As much as I think he's innocent...he needed to explain that email and the context for a full acquittal.
That said, he has a great chance on appeal. That statute doesn't apply to him in that situation. It's a pretty clear question of law. His conviction will be overturned like Lynn's conviction.
That said, he has a great chance on appeal. That statute doesn't apply to him in that situation. It's a pretty clear question of law. His conviction will be overturned like Lynn's conviction.
Agree, but the downside to that is that he's subject to cross. Not good, particularly when you're Spanier.
HARRISBURG, Pa. — A juror who voted to convict Penn State's former president of child endangerment said that the defendant's own words in a 2001 email amounted to some of the strongest evidence against him.
Victoria Navazio said Monday that an email from Graham Spanier to former co-defendants Gary Schultz and Tim Curley showed that he knew children were at risk.
Spanier approved a plan on how to deal with a report that assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky showering with a boy in a team facility. In the email, he told the other two administrators that the "only downside" was if Sandusky did not respond properly "and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."
"How else can you take that, other than they knew they should have been reporting it" to the then-Department of Public Welfare, said Navazio, three days after voting with 11 other jurors to convict the 68-year-old Spanier of a single misdemeanor count. He was acquitted of conspiracy and a second child endangerment count.
"Obviously he knew children were at risk for something," she said. "He knew there was a problem."
Spanier, who did not testify or put on any witnesses, has said he had no inkling that the 2001 complaint by then-graduate assistant coach Mike McQueary to Curley, Schultz and former head football coach Joe Paterno was about a sexual attack on a child, as McQueary has repeatedly testified was the case. Spanier has said it was characterized as horseplay.
"This whole crap about 'horseplay' — they apparently were comfortable using the word horseplay for some reason," Navazio said. "But at the same time you can't say it was horseplay, but everybody says how serious it was."
Navazio, a Harrisburg resident who works in the software field, has a bachelor's degree from Penn State-Harrisburg, but had not continued to follow the Sandusky child molestation scandal in recent years.
She said jurors were divided early on during the roughly 13 hours of deliberations, including some who favored full acquittal and others who wanted to convict on all three counts.
"It was actually heavily debated," she said. "Each charge was, I think I want to say, dissected down to the elements. And each element was discussed actually intently and quite seriously."
Schultz, the school's former vice president, and Curley, the former athletic director, both pleaded guilty on March 13 to misdemeanor child endangerment and testified for the prosecution. All three await sentencing. Spanier's lawyer has vowed to appeal.
Navazio said neither Curley nor Schultz struck her as credible on the stand.
Curley, she said, "seemed like the center of the breakdown of everything. He was the one that most procrastinated doing anything. He was the one that seemed to water down the report the most."
Jurors acquitted Spanier of the conspiracy charge out of a feeling that there was conspiring among the three administrators, but there wasn't evidence that the goal was to put children at risk, she said. Prosecutors say four of the eight young men who testified at Sandusky's trial that he had abused them, were abused after the incident McQueary witnessed.
"It didn't feel like they were conspiring to endanger children," Navazio said. "They were conspiring to protect Penn State."
The Sandusky scandal led the university to fire Paterno and force out Spanier, triggered NCAA sanctions against the school and football program that were later reduced and shorted, and eventually caused the school to pay out more than $90 million to settle civil claims of abuse at Sandusky's hands. Sandusky was convicted in 2012 of 45 counts of child sexual abuse and is serving 30 to 60 years in prison.
A few other jurors who were contacted by The Associated Press either deferred comment or declined to comment on the case.
Victoria Navazio said Monday that an email from Graham Spanier to former co-defendants Gary Schultz and Tim Curley showed that he knew children were at risk.
Spanier approved a plan on how to deal with a report that assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky showering with a boy in a team facility. In the email, he told the other two administrators that the "only downside" was if Sandusky did not respond properly "and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."
"How else can you take that, other than they knew they should have been reporting it" to the then-Department of Public Welfare, said Navazio, three days after voting with 11 other jurors to convict the 68-year-old Spanier of a single misdemeanor count. He was acquitted of conspiracy and a second child endangerment count.
"Obviously he knew children were at risk for something," she said. "He knew there was a problem."
Spanier, who did not testify or put on any witnesses, has said he had no inkling that the 2001 complaint by then-graduate assistant coach Mike McQueary to Curley, Schultz and former head football coach Joe Paterno was about a sexual attack on a child, as McQueary has repeatedly testified was the case. Spanier has said it was characterized as horseplay.
"This whole crap about 'horseplay' — they apparently were comfortable using the word horseplay for some reason," Navazio said. "But at the same time you can't say it was horseplay, but everybody says how serious it was."
Navazio, a Harrisburg resident who works in the software field, has a bachelor's degree from Penn State-Harrisburg, but had not continued to follow the Sandusky child molestation scandal in recent years.
She said jurors were divided early on during the roughly 13 hours of deliberations, including some who favored full acquittal and others who wanted to convict on all three counts.
"It was actually heavily debated," she said. "Each charge was, I think I want to say, dissected down to the elements. And each element was discussed actually intently and quite seriously."
Schultz, the school's former vice president, and Curley, the former athletic director, both pleaded guilty on March 13 to misdemeanor child endangerment and testified for the prosecution. All three await sentencing. Spanier's lawyer has vowed to appeal.
Navazio said neither Curley nor Schultz struck her as credible on the stand.
Curley, she said, "seemed like the center of the breakdown of everything. He was the one that most procrastinated doing anything. He was the one that seemed to water down the report the most."
Jurors acquitted Spanier of the conspiracy charge out of a feeling that there was conspiring among the three administrators, but there wasn't evidence that the goal was to put children at risk, she said. Prosecutors say four of the eight young men who testified at Sandusky's trial that he had abused them, were abused after the incident McQueary witnessed.
"It didn't feel like they were conspiring to endanger children," Navazio said. "They were conspiring to protect Penn State."
The Sandusky scandal led the university to fire Paterno and force out Spanier, triggered NCAA sanctions against the school and football program that were later reduced and shorted, and eventually caused the school to pay out more than $90 million to settle civil claims of abuse at Sandusky's hands. Sandusky was convicted in 2012 of 45 counts of child sexual abuse and is serving 30 to 60 years in prison.
A few other jurors who were contacted by The Associated Press either deferred comment or declined to comment on the case.
Spanier approved a plan on how to deal with a report that assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky showering with a boy in a team facility.
JS was Fu@##ng retired. They still can't get basic facts straight.
JS was Fu@##ng retired. They still can't get basic facts straight.
No...he's not very likeable in person. I bet that factored into the decision.
Well there you have it. They believed MM and the victim and not Curley and Schultz. It is scary some initially wanted to find him guilty on all charges even though against the law as outlined by judge.
"This whole crap about 'horseplay' — they apparently were comfortable using the word horseplay for some reason," Navazio said. "But at the same time you can't say it was horseplay, but everybody says how serious it was."
"This whole crap about 'horseplay' — they apparently were comfortable using the word horseplay for some reason," Navazio said. "But at the same time you can't say it was horseplay, but everybody says how serious it was."
The juror said tim and gary didn't strike her as credible - no kidding
Anyone know when their sentencing is
I would suspect the judge is going to hammer them after the stunt tim pulled on stand
Anyone know when their sentencing is
I would suspect the judge is going to hammer them after the stunt tim pulled on stand
Does anyone take you as credible?? lol
Guess you are upset things didn't work out the way you wanted.
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"She said jurors were divided early on during the roughly 13 hours of deliberations, including some who favored full acquittal and others who wanted to convict on all three counts." Wow! Some wanted to convict on all 3 charges...MENSA candidates.
People have to start asking why people believe Mike but think Curley is lying .
He's made more noise in the past few weeks than he ever did for 10+ years
Nope not all - I wanted this to go trial and it did - tim and gary pleaded guilty.
I don't complain about rulings verdicts etc.
I have said all along tim was lying and he was and he did again. What is their to be upset about
Curley testified that he has a deal and he testified like a man who is 100% confident that he has an iron clad agreement which the Judge has agreed to.
A classy post would be one asking lurker why tim lied to him as well but I won't go their.
He's as credible as AF on my scorecard. So there's that...
You were adamant that both Curley and Schultz were going to incriminate themselves and Spanier. Didn't work out that way. You also sound a little pissed off. Not quite Freeh pissed off, but close.
Towny, Dukie, and UncleLar. Other than those three, perhaps the jurors in this trial and MM whistle blower suit, but not the jurors in the Sandusky case.
Please take this opportunity to use the Ignore feature.
That fact is that McQueary could have prevented this whole thing by reporting it himself. If he was so sure that what he saw was sexual why did he keep his mouth shut for 10 years? I feel sick to my stomach thinking he may profit from this mess. I think that MM and JR should be sharing a cell together.
I guess living the rest of your life with what's left of your $millions, but unemployable and in shame, with many in the PSU community believing you f'd up the most important thing you ever encountered ain't so bad.
Yep that is what I said - It should have been easier to see that tim was going to lie again - he is the only one with more versions than .........
I guess predicting the future when it comes to tim is more difficult than it appears - just ask lurker
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