That is only your opinion about best long-term interests.
I’d like to move on from the statue if the idiots in charge at the time didn’t make such stupid short-term decisions.
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That is only your opinion about best long-term interests.
I’d like to move on from the statue if the idiots in charge at the time didn’t make such stupid short-term decisions.
I'm sorry-Joe's reputation remains low amongst most folk?
Qualify that statement.
Any time michie crosses paths with someone who may not link lowly of Joe, he takes it upon himself to make sure that person then does. So, in michie's world, literally everyone thinks lowly of Joe.
I met Joe a bunch of times but I too disliked the statue. The pose was not something Joe did and it was kind of corny. The statue should have been Joe standing with his arms crossed taking in the action, obviously analyzing what was happening on the field. I saw that pose a thousand times at Beaver Stadium.
Joe was not fired for insubordination. You've already been taken to task on that. Did you just make that up to fit your agenda?
Your bias is showing. There is no minimum or maximum in regards to the "letter of the law", you either follow it or you don't. Joe followed it, and thus did the legal MAXIMUM.
Joe was truly extraordinary, you even say he was one of the best for most of his career. That's 3 decades of being one of the best... who else can say that? Being average (your words, he had a few great seasons in the 2000s) for the last couple of years doesn't erase the rest of his career. It's ridiculous to judge him only on a few cherry picked years. You also only consider the only the field results. He had more impact than just on the gridiron.
LOL. It's a chilly day in Westminster, Colorado. But suddenly, a gust of hot air has appeared!!! This hot air - its origins appear to be to my northwest.
I guess I'll chalk that up to downsloping winds.
Credit to you for not calling me a Michigan fan.
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You're smarter than that. Only taking into account the football is a joke. He was used as the point man relative to fund raising for decades for this school and there's no doubt he helped raise billions. He put Penn State on the map. It's just that simple.
And he followed proper reporting protocols and followed up with Mike and that's per Mike. The bot also knew Joe was retiring at the end of the year.
He was scapegoated because a bad guy happened to be an ex coach and surma and his family were out to destroy Joe for years.
He definitely fell off and stayed too long but don't ever discount what that man did for this school. It's extrordinary you would be dismissive of his incredible service to this school.
Under the advice of Counsel and pursuant to my entitled rights under the 5th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, I hereby offer no other comment.
It’s also interesting that he makes it only about football and the performance of the football team. The irony is that he always wants to throw bricks at the Paterno family, but he is helping reinforce the Emmert and Freeh “all about football” mentality of which Penn State was accused.
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Funny thing is he thinks more highly of UM fans.LOL. It's a chilly day in Westminster, Colorado. But suddenly, a gust of hot air has appeared!!! This hot air - its origins appear to be to my northwest.
I guess I'll chalk that up to downsloping winds.
Credit to you for not calling me a Michigan fan.
Talk about circular reasoning. One of the biggest reasons that Joe’s reputation is low nationwide is that Penn State threw him under the bus and refused to defend him despite the evidence clearly exonerating Joe. Now you are saying PSU shouldn’t honor Joe because of this poor reputation?
I would love to see the statue back. I also think that the stadium should be named after Joe Paterno. Now, what would make me really happy is if all this happened after winning a National Championship.
I agree with those who didn't like the statue since it didn't look like Joe nor was it a pose he ever struck. The real issue isn't the statue per se but rather the reasoning used to remove it. I believe Joe should be publicly honored at Beaver Stadium but to statue itself isn't a big deal to me. Also, naming the stadium after Joe wouldn't be something he's be a fan of. He likely gained more satisfaction by seeing his name on the library. However I do love the national championship idea.
I wouldn't mind naming the field after him, but I wouldn't want the name of the stadium changed. They really need to put his name back on the B10 championship trophy!
My thought was that it went back to the creator. All the work that went in to it, just to be hauled away and stored somewhere doesn't seem right to the person that labored over it.
What matters is no so much the statue itself but the reasoning for why the statue was taken down in the first place. Someone believed Joe Paterno was a pedophile protector. I'm sure Joe would not care about a piece of metal or whether or not the stadium gets named after him, but I'm damn sure he'd care about the fact that he has been smeared morally.
I’ll put on my front lawn in State College.
Nah, move it to Indy and put it outside of Emmert's office to remind that smug POS how badly he f--ked up.
If youre talking about the plaques on the wall, they were destroyed in the removalNow that being said bring back the players that were behind the statue there was never any reason to remove them, they had nothing to do with anything that happened.
Giving it some more thought though I like yours a lot, my second choice would be at my tailgate and my first choice would be at Sue Paterno’s Center on Park Ave. so everyone going that way to and from the game, or weekdays to the Creamery would be able to remember Joe and the feckless BOT that put him away.
How about the failure of the PSU BOT. You know, the guys that did not secure the buildings at night. I think that was one of Freeh's 119 governance failures. It was apparently Joe's responsibility to..........lock up when he went home for the day. Hey, besides Garban stepping down, did anyone on the BOT ACCEPT real responsibility for that boo boo and their related..........mischief.
Joe's reputation remains low? In about 4 areas of America, Oakland PA, Michigan, Columbus and East Brunswick. I live in MD and it's not nearly as many people think poorly of him as you think. My uncle who is an OSU alum but lives in Austin texas, he loves Joe and says most down there think he got jobbed.
Not to state the obvious, but the problem is that even if it wanted to, and I don’t think it does, the University can’t put the statue back unless and until the Freeh narrative is debunked or at least put in proper context. The prevailing public opinion, cemented in place by his firing, the Freeh report and the recent movie, is that Joe either actively concealed or turned a blind eye toward Sandusky’s crimes. If the statue is returned to its rightful place it will become a lightening rod, a distraction and be defaced or worse. I wish it weren’t so, but that is reality.
They would need to turn it around to face the building and change which finger is raised
Oh please. 1. He did the minimum only if you believe the prevailing narrative. 2. He was insubordinate in YOUR opinion. Since when is announcing one’s impending retirement insubordination warranting dismissal, particularly if you are an exemplary, 61 year employee who has done so much for the university? 3. The statistics belie your argument that the teams over the last 7 years of Joe’s career were average. 4. Joe was busier in his 80’s then you are now.
I live in Austin and I do not agree with your uncle's assessment of the general thoughts on Joe here. Just two weeks ago I was called a supporter of child abuse because I told someone I went to PSU and told them "it's complicated" when they asked what I thought about Joe.
The PSU BOT f’ed up
Emmert and Delany just grabbed a pitchfork and followed the mob.
Are you aware that there is a plague at the “A” entrance which reads “In honor Joe Paterno’s coaching Career.”
1. Where exactly did Joe do more?
2. Telling your bosses that they "shouldn't spend a single minute discussing my status" is absolutely insubordinate. That letter was Joe's attempt to pull a power play on the Board. Didn't work, blew up in his face.
3. Last 7 years: the 2006, 2007, 2010 and 2011 teams were all nothing special. That's the majority of the 7 years from 2005-2011. Not to mention the 2000-2004 era which came before those 7 years: most of those teams were below-average. As I said, Joe's teams, IN THE AGGREGATE, were simply average over the 2000s (2000 - 2011).
4. The valid comparison isn't "JoePa vs. michnittlion" but rather "JoePa vs. the earlier versions of himself." And JoePa had clearly lost his fastball in the 2000s, as compared to the 1970s-1990s. It's not "knocking" Joe to point all that out. It was self-evident even at the time.
