How long will we have to endure shit like this?
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Is she the wife of Chris Houser, the cop who provided the McQueary tip, based on what MM brother has said on the internet?
You mean the same cop who sat on the info for years. Literally years.
Penn State "numerous" children, some questionable with allegations against a former coach, JS. Michigan State, 100's of young women, where's the outcry. Ohio State, Multiple wrestlers. These crimes were by actual employees of the respective universities. We haven't even gotten into Meyer harboring criminals and a murderer all in the name of victory and pocketing millions of dollars while at it. MSU and OSU are examples of a board that protects its own.
They are the masters of fake news, how many times does the President need to remind you of this?
I actually got a response ...
Thanks for your note, and for reading.
But there was the 1998 report that, according to testimony in hearings for Spanier and the other administrators, the university had knowledge of. And there were other reports that the university had known previous to that.
And as far as McQueary's report being dismissed as horseplay, in his own grand jury testimony Paterno said it was obvious to him that McQueary was describing something sexual in nature.
So there's that. I guess we can disagree as to what was what.
Mike Argento
Columnist
Here was my immediate reply to Mike's email ...
Mike,
How much do you know about the 1998 investigation? Jerry Sandusky was investigated by both the PA DPW and CYS and cleared of any wrong-doing. The university was aware of the investigation but not involved with it. If anything this further explains why there seems to have been minimal urgency in 2001 as it appeared to be the exact same scenario … showering with a boy. So Penn State administration could have simple felt it was no big deal since it was already investigated by the “experts” without issue. I believe it was after the 1998 shower incident where TSM CEO Jack Raykovitz (child psychologist) told Sandusky to wear swim trunks if he were to shower with boys.
As for the grand jury testimony, this is the transcript:
Q: I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term that you used?
Mr. Paterno: Well, I don’t know what you would call it. Obviously, he was doing something with the youngster.
It was a sexual nature. I’m not sure exactly what it was.
I didn’t push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. Obviously, I was in a little bit of a dilemma since Mr. Sandusky was not working for me anymore.
So I told — I didn’t go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster.
Joe Paterno twice said he was unclear what it was, once says sexual nature which could have been a question (not statement) and once called it inappropriate action. Horseplay can be considered sexual in nature, but it is a long, long way from the word “rape” you used in your article.
I would still appreciate an answer to my question why you used Penn State (1 on campus incident, no cover up) over Michigan State (over 100 on campus incidents, obvious cover up/protection). Seems like Michigan State is a lot closer of an anology to the Catholic Church scandal?!
Thanks,
xxxx xxxxxxx
Thanks for your note, and for reading.
But there was the 1998 report that, according to testimony in hearings for Spanier and the other administrators, the university had knowledge of. And there were other reports that the university had known previous to that.
And as far as McQueary's report being dismissed as horseplay, in his own grand jury testimony Paterno said it was obvious to him that McQueary was describing something sexual in nature.
So there's that. I guess we can disagree as to what was what.
Mike Argento
Columnist
Here was my immediate reply to Mike's email ...
Mike,
How much do you know about the 1998 investigation? Jerry Sandusky was investigated by both the PA DPW and CYS and cleared of any wrong-doing. The university was aware of the investigation but not involved with it. If anything this further explains why there seems to have been minimal urgency in 2001 as it appeared to be the exact same scenario … showering with a boy. So Penn State administration could have simple felt it was no big deal since it was already investigated by the “experts” without issue. I believe it was after the 1998 shower incident where TSM CEO Jack Raykovitz (child psychologist) told Sandusky to wear swim trunks if he were to shower with boys.
As for the grand jury testimony, this is the transcript:
Q: I think you used the term fondling. Is that the term that you used?
Mr. Paterno: Well, I don’t know what you would call it. Obviously, he was doing something with the youngster.
It was a sexual nature. I’m not sure exactly what it was.
I didn’t push Mike to describe exactly what it was because he was very upset. Obviously, I was in a little bit of a dilemma since Mr. Sandusky was not working for me anymore.
So I told — I didn’t go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster.
Joe Paterno twice said he was unclear what it was, once says sexual nature which could have been a question (not statement) and once called it inappropriate action. Horseplay can be considered sexual in nature, but it is a long, long way from the word “rape” you used in your article.
I would still appreciate an answer to my question why you used Penn State (1 on campus incident, no cover up) over Michigan State (over 100 on campus incidents, obvious cover up/protection). Seems like Michigan State is a lot closer of an anology to the Catholic Church scandal?!
Thanks,
xxxx xxxxxxx
The problem with all of this is no matter how well spoken or factual you are, there's always some bullshit "fact" that they can throw at you.
The 70's allegations will pretty much preclude us from ever winning an argument, even with people who use the same logic to defend their institutions.
There's no way to win, except not to play the game.
The 70's allegations will pretty much preclude us from ever winning an argument, even with people who use the same logic to defend their institutions.
There's no way to win, except not to play the game.
You are right about not playing the game. As to whether the facts are bullshit is a matter of opinion.
Especially when there's still paid trolls running around right?
This is why: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...paterno-affair-allegations-to-tar-gop-leaders
If you can't, or refuse to, comprehend why the BOT's efforts to completely obliterate Penn State's reputation is such a big deal to so many alums, there's nothing I can say that will make you understand.[/QUOTE]
I thought only Russians got paid to post. If you can hook me up to someone who is willing
to pay me to speak the truth, I will be very happy.
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John Ziegler has also been able to prove the Jim Jordan allegations are complete BS
https://www.mediaite.com/columnists...-state-controversy-here-are-some-conclusions/
John Ziegler has also been able to prove the Jim Jordan allegations are complete BS
https://www.mediaite.com/columnists...-state-controversy-here-are-some-conclusions/[/QUOTE]
JZ has proved so many wrong according to his cult followers. For those living in the real world,
he is a nut.
So until you get paid, you are just going to spread lies?
Thanks for being honest.
Actually I think many of them believe Paterno did it and not JS.
A scientific poll that was commissioned revealed exactly that. A small, yet significant portion of our population does believe Joe Paterno molested children
I wonder if in 50 years, people will be discussing the era of “social media virtue signaling” and the injustices that resulted from it.
I think the answer to the OP question is, we will have to endure this crap as long as the BOT wants us to.
I posted this on another thread, but it’s more relevant to this one: I have many family members who were students of the Catholic schools and parishioners of the churches where the abuse took place. None had any idea that this was happening. Studies indicate that most comparable institutions have similar rates of abuse. Yet how many of us are aware of any abuse taking place? Very few, I would bet. Kinda disproves the idea that JoePa and everyone in State College had to have known what Sandusky was up to.
Yes, I believe there is no way to retrieve the actual chat room text, but I heard it was simply talk about Sandusky showering with a boy. If McQueary had really seen a sex act, no doubt he and his bro would be embellishing this crap under the anonymity of the internet. But the exact opposite happened? Certainly BS.
"In that way, what the Catholic church has done is not that much different than how Penn State responded to charges that former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky had molested and raped numerous children."
Guys, do not let him off the hook for this.
Mike Argento margento@ydr.com
Guys, do not let him off the hook for this.
Mike Argento margento@ydr.com
Is he saying that Catholic church reported EVERY report it received, no matter how vague, like PSU did? Granted it's apples and oranges since the church has responsibility for predators and victims, where as PSU had responsibility for neither.
Turned JPR's email into a tweet. Not enough characters to credit him but my link goes directly to his post.
But also look at the case of Rubin "Hurricane" Carter. The guy is considering a hero now. And regardless of how you feel about Sandusky's overall guilt or innocence, it is quite obvious that there is a LOT more evidence that Carter murdered three people than there is that Jerry Sandusky sexually molested boys.
Thank you PSU Board of Trustees!.. You deserve to be transferred to the board of the Second Mile.
