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Highrise condo collapes on Collins Ave in Surfside-Miami

The engineering company that report issued a statement that these were all common issues and didn't note anything that was imminent.

The report did not say that all were common issues, it said the problems at the balconies were common. Relative to the waterproofing/structural issues at the pool deck, quoting the report... "The failed waterproofing is causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. Failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially.”
 
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There's your exposed rebar (taken 2 days before the collapse):

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The report did not say that all were common issues, it said the problems at the balconies were common. Relative to the waterproofing/structural issues at the pool deck, quoting the report... "The failed waterproofing is causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas. Failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially.”
The report didn't say that, the engineer firm that issued the report made a statement to the press that these were common issues once the report was made public after the collapse.
 
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Link?

BTW, $9million for repairs would be nearly $70k per unit.
it was on a news station - either CNN or ABC. They said that they talked to the engineering company that issued the 2018 report and they told them that they were common issues and there was no evidence that indicated an imminent failure.

From looking at the video and aerials of the aftermath, it certainly appears that it started at the pool deck/parking deck area so the engineers either missed something or something else happened that triggered the failure. Possibly the deck collapsed (maybe failed where the decks connect to the columns) and that caused the beams and columns to fail.
 
While there is still a lot of info to be looked at, if concrete deterioration and exposed rebar is the extent of the damage but in multiple locations, it is highly doubtful in my mind that it was the reason for the failure.

While the deterioration should be addressed it does not indicate the potential of imminent failure. It also tends to reduce the likelihood of a bad design at least in the area of the photos of the concrete deterioration area.

More needs to be studied especially in the engineering report that likely has many more pictures of the then existing condition but I am leaning to a man made intervention.
The failure of the second building resembles a planned demolition of a building. I am not saying that it was planned but I am saying that it is something that cannot be ruled out without further evidence.
 
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Sorry if this was already mentioned in this thread. I read yesterday that the Navy test explosion near their ship off the Florida Atlantic coast equated to a 3.9 earthquake in Florida. Could this have contributed to the building failure in any way?
 
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Sorry if this was already mentioned in this thread. I read yesterday that the Navy test explosion near their ship off the Florida Atlantic coast equated to a 3.9 earthquake in Florida. Could this have contributed to the building failure in any way?
I’m glad you mentioned that as I was going to post something similar yesterday. Although it would be difficult to prove, it is certainly coincidental, especially the reports that the concrete degradation was worsening quickly. Subjecting an unstable foundation with even a modest subsurface percussion wave can’t be good.
 
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FYI - the pictures above are not from the area of the building that collapsed, but do serve as an example of the disrepair happening in the building that could be reflective of similar damage to the part that fell. No one knows quite yet.
 
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Sorry if this was already mentioned in this thread. I read yesterday that the Navy test explosion near their ship off the Florida Atlantic coast equated to a 3.9 earthquake in Florida. Could this have contributed to the building failure in any way?
Imho, extremely unlikely that a 3.9 level seismic event would cause anything like this from that distance. Fwiw,I do seismic analysis in the pnw all the time.

I do suspect this was multiple issues at work with one triggering event.
 
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Imho, extremely unlikely that a 3.9 level seismic event would cause anything like this from that distance. Fwiw,I do seismic analysis in the pnw all the time.

I do suspect this was multiple issues at work with one triggering event.
interesting thoughts. When the I-35 bridge collapsed in Minneapolis, there were numerous factors. Most pointed back to the design (gusset(sp?) plates?). IIRC other potential factors were, corrosion, static load, and vibration. It was kind of a perfect storm. Especially because there was static (parked trucks/ equipment) in the closed off lanes doing work. I don't think it was mentioned in the report, but there was initial concern about vibration from traffic that could have contributed.

https://www.roadsbridges.com/ntsb-r...d that the,previous modifications, and 2) the

https://www.dot.state.mn.us/i35wbridge/pdf/ntsb-report.pdf
 
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FYI - the pictures above are not from the area of the building that collapsed, but do serve as an example of the disrepair happening in the building that could be reflective of similar damage to the part that fell. No one knows quite yet.
this area is also right above their pool equipment and chlorine is extremely corrosive so this damage might be worse than other areas of the building. Who knows.
 
The report didn't say that, the engineer firm that issued the report made a statement to the press that these were common issues once the report was made public after the collapse.

The report did say that, what I quoted is verbatim from the report. Read it for yourself at this link, page 7.


Maybe you're confusing the engineer's report with the comments made by a Surfside building inspector who minimized the content report within 30 days of its issuance. I'm not aware of any specific comments made by Morabito Consultants (other than a statement of condolence) after the collapse stating that these structural issues were common, if I missed them please provide a link. When everyone is in CYA mode, they'd be stupid to make comments like you're suggesting, especially after the collapse.
 
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The report did say that, what I quoted is verbatim from the report. Read it for yourself at this link, page 7.


Maybe you're confusing the engineer's report with the comments made by a Surfside building inspector who minimized the content report within 30 days of its issuance. I'm not aware of any specific comments made by Morabito Consultants (other than a statement of condolence) after the collapse stating that these structural issues were common, if I missed them please provide a link. When everyone is in CYA mode, they'd be stupid to make comments like you're suggesting, especially after the collapse.
I'm not sure what you aren't understanding. I was listening to the news on TV. The news agency talked to this engineering firm following the collapse and they said that the engineering firm stated that the items contained with this report were "typical" and not evidence of imminent failure. They even mentioned the CEO in their report. Pretty sure it was ABC.
 
I'm not sure what you aren't understanding. I was listening to the news on TV. The news agency talked to this engineering firm following the collapse and they said that the engineering firm stated that the items contained with this report were "typical" and not evidence of imminent failure. They even mentioned the CEO in their report. Pretty sure it was ABC.

Sorry but "Major structural damage" doesn't go with "typical" or "common," the report did say that SOME of the items were common/typical. I don't know what you heard or who was speaking nor the context in which it was said, but I don't believe for a second that an engineer from that firm would say that major structural issues were "typical" especially in the hours or days following the collapse.
 
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Visual Forensics

Video, images and interviews​

deepen questions about role​

of pool deck in condo collapse​


A Washington Post examination of video and images from the deadly collapse of a high-rise apartment building outside Miami — along with interviews with structural engineers, a key witness and an investigator — deepens questions about whether existing damage to a deck in the pool area contributed to the disaster.
A resident told The Post that minutes before Champlain Towers South in Surfside came down, she noticed that a section of the pool deck and a street-level parking area had collapsed into the parking garage below. The husband of another resident has said that his wife, who has not been seen since the disaster, made a similar observation in a telephone call shortly before the collapse.
An engineer in 2018 found “major structural damage” in the pool deck area caused by what he said was a flaw that limited water drainage. At least 12 people were killed and 149 remain unaccounted for following a type of disaster that is unheard of in the United States.
The investigation into the collapse last Thursday is likely to take many months and may find no single definitive cause. Experts urged caution and some structural engineers said they doubted that a collapse in the deck slab would have jeopardized the beachside building’s overall integrity. But Allyn E. Kilsheimer, a veteran engineer hired by Surfside to investigate the collapse, told The Post that such a failure could have set off a wider catastrophe.
“There is a possibility that part of the pool [area] came down first and then dragged the middle of the building with it, and that made that collapse,” said Kilsheimer, who had previously voiced skepticism about the significance of the damage noted in the engineer’s report. “And then once the middle of the building collapsed, number two, then the rest of the building didn’t know how to stand up and it fell down also, number three.”
A resident told The Washington Post that part of the pool deck and the surface-level parking lot collapsed before the building.
A resident told The Washington Post that part of the pool deck and the surface-level parking lot collapsed before the building. (Photo by Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)
Of more than a dozen experts interviewed for this article, including nine structural engineers, most agreed that the collapse appeared to involve a failure at the lowest levels of the building or in the parking garage beneath it. In images of the rubble, four experts saw indications of “punching shear failure,” in which concrete slabs that make up the floors of a building detach from the structure’s vertical support columns.
Such a catastrophe is extraordinary for a 40-year-old building even if a range of imaginable failures had occurred, the experts said. The building collapse is as shocking “to the public in general … as it is to the engineering community,” said Joe DiPompeo, the president of the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers. “There’s got to be a very specific sequence of events that somehow evaded all the fail-safes in the code and everything else.”
Sara Nir, a resident, told The Post that shortly before 1 a.m., she noticed loud “knocking” noises that she assumed were caused by construction work. Around 1:14 a.m., she heard a noise that she thought sounded like a wall crashing down, and she left her ground-level apartment to complain to a security guard in the lobby.
She estimated that about a minute later, while she was in the lobby, she heard a very large boom and saw that part of the surface-level parking area — and part of the pool deck — had collapsed into the underground parking garage. She and the two of her children who were home at the time then ran from the building.
Nir’s son called 911 at 1:19 a.m., he said, a time that he said he confirmed by checking the time stamp on his phone. About a minute later, a dispatcher with Miami-Dade County Fire and Rescue called for an engine to respond to an alarm at the building, audio shows.
According to additional EMS audio, the building collapsed between 1:24 and 1:25 a.m. while Engine 76 was en route.
Nir was previously interviewed by COLlive, an independently run Orthodox Jewish news service.

Half of Champlain Towers South falls in matter of seconds. (Andy Slater)
The Champlain complex was a steel-reinforced concrete structure with 136 apartments spread across 12 stories plus a penthouse. The only public video footage of the building collapse appears to be a recording of surveillance footage captured by a camera on a neighboring property. It has no time stamp. Some experts who reviewed the footage found it significant that the exterior of the upper floors appeared intact as the building began to fall.
“You can see the failure came from the bottom,” said Kit Miyamoto, a veteran structural engineer and the chairman of the California seismic safety commission.
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The center facade's ability to maintain its integrity as the building begins to fall indicates a structural failure at the base or lower levels of the building, some experts said.(VIDEO BY ANDY SLATER)
The rest of the middle section appeared to fold into itself and drop straight down.(VIDEO BY ANDY SLATER)
Miyamoto described the middle section as “vertically imploding,” indicating that columns toward the bottom must have been “compromised.” Several other experts said that the video pointed to columns in this area having given way, setting off a cascade of damage.
The experts said that the columns may either have suffered “axial failure,” meaning that they suffered too much stress from compression, or punching shear failure, when a concrete slab fails under pressure at the point that it connects to the column and falls. The column effectively “punches” through the slab. This can cause a succession of collapses as weight accumulates from above, the experts said.
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While experts The Post spoke to were divided over the role of the columns in the collapse, several observed that visible dents such as this one were probably where the columns used to be connected to the concrete slabs that make up the flooring of each level.(PHOTO BY RICKY CARIOTI/THE WASHINGTON POST)
These columns landed near where the first section went down. For some experts, this photo suggested punching shear failure because the columns are mostly intact. For another, the columns appeared to be exterior ones, meaning they had not “punched” through the slab and instead were torn from them.(PHOTO BY GETTY IMAGES)
Scott Homrich, the president of the National Demolition Association, said that while there was no sign that the Surfside collapse was caused deliberately, the sequence of events resembled that seen in many controlled demolitions.


Controlled demolition brings down Trump Plaza Casino in Atlantic City in February. (ENF Dronography)
“You see basically the bottom of the full building go away and you just see the whole building drop all at one time. And that is very reminiscent of what an implosion would do,” said Homrich. Officials in Florida have stressed that there is no indication of foul play in Surfside.
These observations amount to a significant early lead for the investigators, according to Glenn Bell, a consulting structural engineer and the director of Collaborative Reporting for Safer Structures-U.S. “It will help them begin to focus on that particular area of the structure,” said Bell.
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The pull of the reinforcement steel connecting the slabs on each floor caused the downward slope at the top, according to experts.(VIDEO BY ANDY SLATER)
The east portion fell seven seconds after the center.(VIDEO BY ANDY SLATER)
The video footage shows that about seven seconds after the initial collapse, a second section of the building starts to fall.
According to Jack P. Moehle, a professor of structural engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, the first section probably “dragged the remaining portion sideways until its gravity-load carrying capacity was exhausted and it, too, collapsed.”
Experts noted that, unlike the first section, the second section visibly twisted and sloped to one side in the moments before it fell.
“The reason for that is that part on the right side — its columns were still okay,” said Albert Bleakley, a professor of mechanical and civil engineering at the Florida Institute of Technology. “The structure of that building was still good. It’s still holding it up. But because it’s dragging, being dragged down by the rest of the building to the left of it, it starts leaning to the left, which also causes extra stresses on it because it’s not designed to be leaning to the left. But then also it’s just being pulled down.”
Homrich, the demolition expert, agreed that the second collapse “wasn’t catastrophic failure,” echoing the observations of several others. “What that was [was] the debris underneath — probably a combination of half pulling it over and then piling up against the columns — and it finally failed. And then it comes down,” said Homrich.
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An aerial shot of the wreckage appears to reflect the manner in which each section fell.(PHOTOS BY GETTY IMAGES)
On the left, several levels of the building are clearly visible, probably caused by the top-down sequence of the section’s collapse. On the right, the collapse appears to have pushed the wreckage into the ground with such force that much of it is no longer recognizable.(PHOTOS BY GETTY IMAGES)
The end result can be observed in photographs of the wreckage, the experts said, several noting that the section of the building that fell second ended up in a distinct formation probably caused by the “pancaking” of floors collapsing from the top down.
Speculation about the collapse has centered on the pool deck area because the 2018 engineer’s report found that the slab under the deck was not sloped to drain properly and had suffered damage as a result. The engineer, Frank P. Morabito, was hired by the condominium association to inspect the building as part of requirement that it be recertified 40 years after construction. He said the building required timely and expensive repairs, which had not begun by the time of the disaster.
Jean Wodnicki, the condominium board’s president, told residents in an April letter that visible damage in the garage had grown “significantly worse” since the 2018 inspection, adding: “When you can visually see the concrete spalling (cracking), that means that the rebar holding it together is rusting and deteriorating beneath the surface.” Wodnicki said it was “impossible to know the extent of the damage to the underlying rebar until the concrete is opened up.”
Nir’s description of the collapsed deck area adds to the account provided to the Miami Herald by Mike Stratton, who said he was speaking by phone that night with his wife, Cassie. Stratton said his wife told him that she could see a crater in the pool area from her fourth-floor balcony. Then the line went dead, he said.
Some experts told The Post that a worsening of the damage could have led to the collapse in the deck area noticed by the two residents.
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The standing columns here suggest the columns “punched through” the deck, according to two experts.(PHOTO BY SAUL MARTINEZ FOR THE WASHINGTON POST)
“If these two accounts are indeed indications that the plaza area near the pool collapsed first, then deterioration from leaking and consequent slab damage could be consistent with this,” said Bell, the director of Collaborative Reporting for Safer Structures-U.S., who cautioned against jumping to conclusions and said the investigation would take time.
Kilsheimer, the engineer investigating the collapse, said that corrosion caused by water that got inside the slab could have eventually caused its collapse. “If enough of the reinforcing steel was 100 percent rusted through, that could be something that made it happen,” Kilsheimer said.
Images of the site following the disaster show that the deck and surface parking area were left partially sunken, though experts said falling debris may have contributed to this.
Jason Borden, a Fort Lauderdale-based structural engineer who examined the Champlain building last year while his firm prepared to bid for work there, said that sustained corrosion of the slab “could have impacted the overall integrity of the building” because it joined with a main external wall. “It may be one of the factors that contributed to the collapse,” Borden said.
Some experts said that, even in light of the witness accounts, they doubted that a collapse of the pool deck slab could have been enough to bring down most of the building. “I don’t immediately see how that particular area would influence the stability of the building itself to the north,” said Troy Morgan, an adjunct professor of engineering at New York University.
“From what I see, it didn’t look like something that I would say, ‘Get the people out,'” said Norma Jean Mattei, an engineering professor at the University of New Orleans, referring to the 2018 report. “The deterioration played a part, but it wasn’t what caused this failure. Something else had to push this building over the top.”
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Pool deck
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Load-bearing walls
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Piles and pile caps
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The elevator core is the strongest part of the building
Weight from the floor slabs is transferred to the columns
Weight
Horizontal concrete beams shift the weight from the columns at the top to the ones below
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Collapsed side
Standing side
Area of suspected collapse initiation
An examination of the building’s internal structure reveals how it supports weight.
According to experts, the western half of the building’s structure is designed to withstand high winds from the east.
The weight of the building is distributed across concrete floor slabs into columns and load-bearing walls. These transfer the weight onto pile caps in the foundation, from which piles extend deep into limestone.
Experts suspect that columns toward the bottom of the building failed.

Investigators will examine the ground beneath the building to check whether any kind of collapse or failure around the building’s foundations could have caused the disaster. An academic study published last year found that the building appeared to have been sinking during the 1990s.
Experts said investigators would likely carry out geotechnical and geophysical surveys, taking samples of the earth and using sensors to collect data on the different layers beneath the surface.
But plans indicate that the building rested on deep concrete foundations, known as piles, which experts said were appropriate for the area’s sandy soil. “Generally, the piles are not just going to start to move or let go unless the ground, independent of the building, moves,” said DiPompeo, of the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers.
Mattei said the fact that sinkholes were not a common problem in the area caused her to focus on the building’s core structure. “That leads me to, ‘What wiped out some columns?’” said Mattei. “It’s all conjecture, but what wiped out some major columns at the lowest levels, where they’re actually holding up the most load?”
Although two major sections of the Champlain tower collapsed, a significant part of the building did not fall and remains intact. Experts who reviewed plans for the building said reinforcements in the surviving part of the building may have helped to protect it.
They noted that plans show the surviving structure featured rectangular columns and horizontal concrete beams at the second-story level. It also contained the shear walls around the elevator shaft, the strongest part of the building. The collapsed portion of the building had square columns and lacked the same concrete beams for reinforcement.
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The plans showed the part of the building’s internal structure that withstood collapse.(PHOTO BY GETTY IMAGES)
According to Bleakley, these cracks were probably created when the concrete slabs were pulled east by the weight of the falling structure.(PHOTO BY SAUL MARTINEZ FOR THE WASHINGTON POST)
On the left, the steel reinforcement bars probably left the tile-like scarring behind when they were ripped out, Bell said. On the right, the hanging wires appear to be exposed reinforcement bars.(PHOTO BY AP)
The design may have been intended to help the building withstand powerful gales in an area that is frequently battered by hurricanes. “My guess is those columns on that left side [that] were shaped rectangularly and had those big beams going that way [were] probably designed that way for wind resistance,” said Bleakley of the Florida Institute of Technology.
All the experts interviewed by The Post urged caution at this early stage of the investigation. Substandard materials or shoddy workmanship during the building’s construction from 1979 to 1981 may be discovered. Some said that the cause of the collapse may be something that has not yet even been considered. At present, “there is no smoking gun,” said Morgan.
While some experts see building-specific circumstances, including deferred maintenance, as leading suspects in the collapse, the role of more systemic factors such as sea-level rise remains unclear. Experts said every possibility needs to be considered.
“We need to find that out: whether this building had something wrong with it, or if this is a problem with high-rises on the coast,” said Harold Wanless, a professor of geology at the University of Miami. “That has huge implications.”
 
I realize we're talking life & death and that's paramount, but are the members of the HOA exposed to individual law suits? It seems to me they had this report in 2018 and basically did nothing. Along with being reckless they failed in their fiduciary responsibility as the units now have no value.
 
I realize we're talking life & death and that's paramount, but are the members of the HOA exposed to individual law suits? It seems to me they had this report in 2018 and basically did nothing. Along with being reckless they failed in their fiduciary responsibility as the units now have no value.

According to FL law, condo officers are generally immune from liability, but there are a bunch of complicated exceptions that lawyers can play with.
 
According to FL law, condo officers are generally immune from liability, but there are a bunch of complicated exceptions that lawyers can play with.

Yes I read that. One exception is a failure in their fiduciary duty which could be argued.
 
It looks like the board was trying and the residents were pushing back.


Good find, thanks. What a mess. As the Board was trying to get unit owners on board with repairs the building was getting ready to collapse. In retrospect they should have assessed the unit owners rather than trying to persuade them. The Board has that authority as far as I know. I think they're facing litigation. The smartest thing they did was not to comment further.
 
I realize we're talking life & death and that's paramount, but are the members of the HOA exposed to individual law suits? It seems to me they had this report in 2018 and basically did nothing. Along with being reckless they failed in their fiduciary responsibility as the units now have no value.

An Edgar Snyder type would argue that the lawsuit value of the units now exceeds their former real estate value.
 
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Whose call was it to bring down the rest of the structure? Asking out of simple curiosity.
Another is their property rights going forward. If that isn't turned into a park and developed instead, they're looking at numbers probably close to their pre-collapse value.
 
Another good video, details of the column layouts, the locations of the first columns to fail, a very good view of the punching shear of the parking garage (columns 72 & 73)

A lot of info here but not impressed with the commentary. Go to 18:30 and you will see the pool itself is still intact and in fact never shifted, including the equipment room. So all the pics of the spalling in the pool equipment room are irrelevant. In fact, those areas are far from the collapse.

It appears the collapse started at the entry way where the fractured pipe was gushing water. I could speculate on the cause but it would be just that.

He is confused about the different sizes of the columns as in #42 vs #72. But the reason for the difference is obvious. #42 and ones near it hold up the pool deck and nothing else. #78 and that vicinity are the main structural supports for the entire 14 story building which means much more weight and stresses. It’s completely normal for the columns supporting a single roof deck to be smaller than those for a fourteen story high rise.

And near the end he shows pics with water pooling on the pool deck......not near the pool but close to the building itself. He conjectures that the water added weigh that may have been an issue. But the bigger concern, IMO, is that pooling would indicate the deck has already sagged enough for the water to pool. Worse that water, instead weight being an issue, would percolate down contributing to rapid corrosion. Especially since much of that water would be pool water with chlorine in it.

This video is informative mainly because it rules out the pool and pool equipment room as many seem to believe as the cause. It does isolate the beginning at the entrance area of the parking where it seems to have started. The investigation will likely focus on the column/deck connections and associated corrosion.

All in my opinion, given what I know at this point.
 
Apparently it was the mayor’s call. I was just wondering about the logistics of this.
The mayor along with engineers and inspectors are all worried that it will collapse if and when the hurricane approaches. It is so unstable that they stopped the searchers a couple times for fear of collapse. They want to take it down in a controlled way so that it falls where they want it to instead of an uncontrolled fall going in whatever direction the winds are blowing it.

Edit: hurricane should be there is a couple days.
 
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Another good video, details of the column layouts, the locations of the first columns to fail, a very good view of the punching shear of the parking garage (columns 72 & 73)


One thing that has caught my attention over the last few days has been the apparent lack of rebar protruding from the slab edges in many of the photos of the rubble. There just doesn't seem to be much rebar in that building.
 
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A lot of info here but not impressed with the commentary. Go to 18:30 and you will see the pool itself is still intact and in fact never shifted, including the equipment room. So all the pics of the spalling in the pool equipment room are irrelevant. In fact, those areas are far from the collapse.

It appears the collapse started at the entry way where the fractured pipe was gushing water. I could speculate on the cause but it would be just that.

He is confused about the different sizes of the columns as in #42 vs #72. But the reason for the difference is obvious. #42 and ones near it hold up the pool deck and nothing else. #78 and that vicinity are the main structural supports for the entire 14 story building which means much more weight and stresses. It’s completely normal for the columns supporting a single roof deck to be smaller than those for a fourteen story high rise.

And near the end he shows pics with water pooling on the pool deck......not near the pool but close to the building itself. He conjectures that the water added weigh that may have been an issue. But the bigger concern, IMO, is that pooling would indicate the deck has already sagged enough for the water to pool. Worse that water, instead weight being an issue, would percolate down contributing to rapid corrosion. Especially since much of that water would be pool water with chlorine in it.

This video is informative mainly because it rules out the pool and pool equipment room as many seem to believe as the cause. It does isolate the beginning at the entrance area of the parking where it seems to have started. The investigation will likely focus on the column/deck connections and associated corrosion.

All in my opinion, given what I know at this point.

The mayor along with engineers and inspectors are all worried that it will collapse if and when the hurricane approaches. It is so unstable that they stopped the searchers a couple times for fear of collapse. They want to take it down in a controlled way so that it falls where they want it to instead of an uncontrolled fall going in whatever direction the winds are blowing it.

Edit: hurricane should be there is a couple days.

One thing that has caught my attention over the last few days has been the apparent lack of rebar protruding from the slab edges in many of the photos of the rubble. There just doesn't seem to be much rebar in that building.
Hey guys, knock yourselves out over these presentations. Im just a little too busy (out of my comfort zone...DEP & the other organizations) I'm a structural guy dealing with environmental issues. God have mercey. Let me keep my guns locked, throw away the keys so i don't come after some of these people.
 
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Good friend of mine construction company is working next door to this building. They are still not allowed back to that building they were working on. All their tools are there and now they had turned down other work to finish this building. No one is even sure at this point when they will get back, how and if they can claim any type compensation for not working. He has 8 guys now out of work.
 
Very interesting analysis of initial area of Surfside collapse
@ 25 minutes in the video ....transfer concrete beam is tied into the side of the columns?

Here's a link to the original structural drawings if you're interested. They seem to lack detail sections. Also, the beam the guy is pointing out in the video is identified as BMA, but when you go to the beam schedule the beams are identified by numbers, not letters.

I think that the guy may be misinterpreting what's going on with the beam going into the side rather than on top of the column. If the column and beam were poured monolithically that's how they would look if the beam was narrower than the column, versus the other one he pointed out that appeared to sit on top of the column, it was just wider than the column.

 
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