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Hearing that the Astros got caught cheating

Obliviax

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In the ALCS game one. They had a 'fan' sitting next to the Sox dugout giving signals to coaches after listening into players conversations. MLB was tipped off by indians and are reviewing tapes of the division playoffs between tribe and Astros.
 
How did an Astros get a seat in Fenway next to the Sox dugout?
 
In the ALCS game one. They had a 'fan' sitting next to the Sox dugout giving signals to coaches after listening into players conversations. MLB was tipped off by indians and are reviewing tapes of the division playoffs between tribe and Astros.

It goes beyond listening into players conversations.
 
In the ALCS game one. They had a 'fan' sitting next to the Sox dugout giving signals to coaches after listening into players conversations. MLB was tipped off by indians and are reviewing tapes of the division playoffs between tribe and Astros.

Of what Nationality is this fan?
 
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Am told that MLB is going to mitigate this during the playoffs and try to handle it internally as to not alienate fans. But its a big deal. Someone was trying to steal signals. That is a big no-no in MLB.

Yes, stealing signals by a non player, given credentials to be next to the dugout, using an electronic device, is a huge deal. If guilty, would expect a massive penalty that sends a strong message about cheating.
 
Electronic methods? Dirty pool. But if you can steal signs the old-fashioned way by decoding them as you watch the coaches relay them, I’m all for it. I used to try to do it all the time when I played summer league ball.
 
imagine Boston fans complaining about cheating- with a straight face

the very definition of hypocrisy
 
this will be handled internally. all major league's don't want the cheating dirty laundry aired out in public for fear the fans will stop watching and stop gambling. look at the NBA that had refs throwing games, went away in an instant as the league covered it up.
 
this will be handled internally. all major league's don't want the cheating dirty laundry aired out in public for fear the fans will stop watching and stop gambling. look at the NBA that had refs throwing games, went away in an instant as the league covered it up.
Agree...the problem is that CLE Indian fans are going to bust a gut. We had a great team last year and will lose a ton in free agency. If the Astros gained an advantage and swept them, nothing can be done to level the playing field. And CLE fans have a chip on their shoulder anyway...the Browns, for example, have gotten THREE apologies already this year on critical plays that were called wrong against them.
 
In the ALCS game one. They had a 'fan' sitting next to the Sox dugout giving signals to coaches after listening into players conversations. MLB was tipped off by indians and are reviewing tapes of the division playoffs between tribe and Astros.
Smoke signals?
 
Funny thing is, no one in Boston is giving this too much mind. If they are stealing signs they're really shitty at it.
well, it was game one (which Houston won) and early. Supposedly, the Tribe tipped off the Red Sox (the two team's management is pretty close with Francona being the Tribe's skipper).
 
Yes, stealing signals by a non player, given credentials to be next to the dugout, using an electronic device, is a huge deal. If guilty, would expect a massive penalty that sends a strong message about cheating.
a massive penalty in the world of major professional US sports is a relative term. It's still worth it to cheat.
 
The issue didn't start in Boston.
Thats right. Indians are now confirming that an "Astros Official" was thrown out of game three (the only game played in CLE) toward the end of that game. So we know this happened in all three games of the Astros and Tribe and game one of the Red Sox and Astros. Just to be clear, the Red Sox were tipped off about this by the Tribe.
 
Tribe filed a formal complaint:

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Indians have filed a complaint with MLB about the Houston Astros trying to film inside their dugout during the Game 3 of the ALDS at Progressive Field.

An employee of the Astros, holding a cellphone camera, was removed twice by security from the photographer's pit next to the Indians' dugout during Game 3 on Oct. 8. The Astros completed a three-game sweep of the Indians with an 11-3 win that day.

On Oct. 9, the day after Houston's sweep, Boston officials called the Indians to find out what happened. Four days later a similar incident took place at Fenway Park during Game 1 of the ALCS on Saturday between the Astros and Red Sox, according to Metro News.

In the third inning, Fenway Park security removed an Astros employee from a media-credentialed area near the Red Sox's dugout. The man, according to Metro News, had a small camera and was texting frequently. He did not have a media credential.

Boston security was on the alert because of what happened in the ALDS between the Indians and Astros. MLB told Metro News that the matter is being handled internally.

For almost two weeks before the ALDS, the Indians worked hard to protect their signs because of Houston's reputation for stealing signs. The Astros reportedly try to train cameras on the opposing catcher, manager and bench coach in an effort to steal signs and pick up tendencies.

The Indians' preparation was so intense that those close to the situation said it bordered on paranoia. After the sweep Jason Kipnis talked about being out-played, out-scouted and out-coached by the Astros. Mike Clevinger said the Indians had their backs against the wall analytically before the series started. They may have been referring to the Tribe's preparation to prevent Houston's sign stealing. To say nothing of dealing with Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole and Dallas Keuchel.

The Astros, according to one school of thought, may have just planted the man in the photographer's pit next to to the Tribe's dugout as a smokescreen. Manager Terry Francona, bench coach Brad Mills and other coaches are located at the other end of a crowded dugout. So what exactly could he decipher from the camera pit?

If that's true, it would indicate an elaborate scheme.

Complaining about sign stealing is always a two-edged sword in the big leagues because so many teams do it. Boston manager Alex Cora was Houston's bench coach last year when the Astros won the World Series. So if the Astros have any tricks up their sleeve he would know about them.​
 
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