The whole “holding center” thing is absolute garbage. A wrestler can be completely passive while “holding center”, while the other guys takes multiple shots and gets put on the clock. Absurd.
Folk all the way.
Folk all the way.
Free or Folk?
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Depends. Is the wife in the car?
I think of RBY style vs Iowa style. Iowa tries to tie the opponent up and push, push, push. RBY likes to attack from space and use his quickness. I don’t think RBY holds the edge at all. RBY’s style is rewarded in Folk and Iowa’s style is rewarded in Free.
I prefer RBY’s style and Folk.
I think you’re dramatically oversimplifying. Watch Starocci, Brooks, DT, Nick, . All of them are very good stalkers, no matter the style. They take ground, keep you off balance and, in Freestyle, generate a ton of 2 and 4 point offense off of the “peril” they put their opponents in at the edge. Even Gilman has increased the 2’s he gets with the guys he drives to the edge.
Compare all that to the last two Brooks vs Hidlay folkstyle matches. I’d love to see Aaron to wrestle Trent again in Free—it would not be pretty.
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My point is this…the guys you mentioned take ground AND are aggressively taking shots as well. However, in Free, a guy can control center AND be passive in their offense and STILL get rewarded. That is the kind of wrestling I dislike.
Too many think green means stop to see if it turns red before moving forward through the intersection.
It can happen, sure (Chance might fit the bill a little this last weekend). With the step-out rule, the edge is much more of a thing, and some people will use it for "negative wrestling."
But I still feel like overall, what it does is increase the chances for action on any given exchange. I've seen people say "like the Iranians do" in this thread when talking about this strategy. I haven't watched enough of all of the Iranians to say for the whole country--but I will mention that Yazdani uses the edge to score a bajillion points. He 10-0s just about everyone not named Taylor. When he wrestled David, he definitely tightens up, and takes very few chances that might end in a scramble. That's the only way he'll ever beat David, but it's a major exception to the rule. If, in Freestyle, you're the superior handfighter, and can move people off center, what you have is an advantage to score more points. Most people take advantage of that.
I would just like to see Trent wrestle Aaron one time in folk - it would not be pretty!
Excellent thread. Yes, folkstyle is better than freestyle. In almost every way.
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion about the sport.
But why do posters pop into freestyle event threads to bitch about freestyle?
That's akin to an atheist running into Sunday Mass & yelling he doesn't believe in God.
(hyperbole, I admit)
It's not the time or place.
When it gets right down to it, wrestling is regulated combat and folkstyle is closer to the real world.
In the real world, even at 6 years old fighting on the play ground (we used to do that before boys were treated as defective girls whose natural rambunctiousness was to be suppressed with Ritalin or worse). I can't even imagine teachers tolerating our favorite lunch time game "kill the guy" (sort of like rugby).
Folkstyle (even with the 3 point TD) puts greater emphasis obtaining, maintaining and increasing control over an opponent. If a match is tied at the end of the second and the guy in the top position is down 55 seconds riding time, I find it a test of skill that he rides the full two minutes. Now if it was up to me, I can live with the 3 pt TD, (although oddly, I think I saw a lot of reversals this year) as long as the reversal has at least thew same scoring value. Of course, I'm such an atavistic individual that I'd bring back the superior decision, if for no other reason other than the only way you should be able to quit early is a pin and both wrestlers should have a chance at it for a full seven minutes. The great thing about a few years ago was Nickal, Nolf and Retherford going for the pin, noy just the TF.
I hate the push out rule, *it's Sumo without the cool ancient rituals), the "par terre", the ability to get back points without actually holding the opponent on his back and the ten point tech. Where as the pin, the metaphor of completely vanquishing an opponent is pretty damn rare, because there's little mat wrestling.
But it's April and so there's no folk for about 7 months. Any port in a storm, so I'll watch Free, even if it's jalapeno ice cream to me.
In the real world, even at 6 years old fighting on the play ground (we used to do that before boys were treated as defective girls whose natural rambunctiousness was to be suppressed with Ritalin or worse). I can't even imagine teachers tolerating our favorite lunch time game "kill the guy" (sort of like rugby).
Folkstyle (even with the 3 point TD) puts greater emphasis obtaining, maintaining and increasing control over an opponent. If a match is tied at the end of the second and the guy in the top position is down 55 seconds riding time, I find it a test of skill that he rides the full two minutes. Now if it was up to me, I can live with the 3 pt TD, (although oddly, I think I saw a lot of reversals this year) as long as the reversal has at least thew same scoring value. Of course, I'm such an atavistic individual that I'd bring back the superior decision, if for no other reason other than the only way you should be able to quit early is a pin and both wrestlers should have a chance at it for a full seven minutes. The great thing about a few years ago was Nickal, Nolf and Retherford going for the pin, noy just the TF.
I hate the push out rule, *it's Sumo without the cool ancient rituals), the "par terre", the ability to get back points without actually holding the opponent on his back and the ten point tech. Where as the pin, the metaphor of completely vanquishing an opponent is pretty damn rare, because there's little mat wrestling.
But it's April and so there's no folk for about 7 months. Any port in a storm, so I'll watch Free, even if it's jalapeno ice cream to me.
