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I actually agree with everything you say and have done my fair share of things as well.
I guess on the flip side I am just tired of everything we are dealing with being a "these times" issue. The 2021 class is ranked in the 30's because of these times we live in. Our players are smoking weed and getting caught because the times we live in. People can protest and burn buildings because the times we live in.
Sounds like a built in excuse for "do whatever you want to do".
Why should the cops have better things to do?
The stuff smells terrible and if you are a neighbor to this and your apartment becomes a scene of a cheech and chong film due to a common wall what should you do?
It is not the fault of the police. Not the fault of the laws. It is the fault of the players.
LdN
PennLive:
Four Penn State football players were charged with marijuana possession Monday, pushing the number of Nittany Lions facing pot charges since July to eight.
One former Penn State football player was also charged with marijuana possession Monday, making him the second former Nittany Lion to be charged this month.
The university’s athletics department is aware of the charges against redshirt freshman linebacker Lance Dixon, redshirt freshman cornerback Daequan Hardy, redshirt freshman running back Terry Smith and freshman cornerback Joseph Johnson III, a spokesperson wrote in a statement.
“These alleged actions do not reflect the values and standards of our program and will be addressed,” the athletics department said. “We will not comment any further as this is an ongoing legal matter.”
Dixon, Hardy, Smith and Johnson were charged after a university police officer smelled pot coming from the quartet’s on-campus apartment in August.
An officer found a bag of marijuana in Dixon’s room, a “partially smoked marijuana joint” in Hardy’s room, three bags of marijuana in Smith’s room and two bags of marijuana in Johnson’s room, police wrote in an affidavit of probable cause filed Monday.
Each test of the marijuana returned a “presumptive positive result,” police wrote.
University police also charged Brandon Taylor after officers said they found marijuana in a grinder in his dorm room. Taylor was removed from the football team due to a violation of team rules, a spokesperson said.
“We appreciate Brandon’s contributions to the program and wish him success in the future,” a spokesperson said.
Dixon, 19, Johnson, 19, and Taylor, 19, were charged with one misdemeanor count each of possession of a small amount of marijuana and drug paraphernalia.
Smith, 19, was charged with one misdemeanor count each of possession of a small amount of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, and one summary count of purchasing alcohol as a minor.
Hardy, 19, was charged with one misdemeanor count of possession of a small amount of marijuana and one summary count of carrying a false identification.
A defense lawyer was not listed for either Dixon, Johnson, Taylor, Smith or Hardy.
Taylor has a preliminary hearing scheduled for Oct. 14. Dixon, Johnson, Smith and Hardy each have a preliminary hearing scheduled for Oct. 21.
Four Penn State football players were charged with marijuana possession Monday, pushing the number of Nittany Lions facing pot charges since July to eight.
One former Penn State football player was also charged with marijuana possession Monday, making him the second former Nittany Lion to be charged this month.
The university’s athletics department is aware of the charges against redshirt freshman linebacker Lance Dixon, redshirt freshman cornerback Daequan Hardy, redshirt freshman running back Terry Smith and freshman cornerback Joseph Johnson III, a spokesperson wrote in a statement.
“These alleged actions do not reflect the values and standards of our program and will be addressed,” the athletics department said. “We will not comment any further as this is an ongoing legal matter.”
Dixon, Hardy, Smith and Johnson were charged after a university police officer smelled pot coming from the quartet’s on-campus apartment in August.
An officer found a bag of marijuana in Dixon’s room, a “partially smoked marijuana joint” in Hardy’s room, three bags of marijuana in Smith’s room and two bags of marijuana in Johnson’s room, police wrote in an affidavit of probable cause filed Monday.
Each test of the marijuana returned a “presumptive positive result,” police wrote.
University police also charged Brandon Taylor after officers said they found marijuana in a grinder in his dorm room. Taylor was removed from the football team due to a violation of team rules, a spokesperson said.
“We appreciate Brandon’s contributions to the program and wish him success in the future,” a spokesperson said.
Dixon, 19, Johnson, 19, and Taylor, 19, were charged with one misdemeanor count each of possession of a small amount of marijuana and drug paraphernalia.
Smith, 19, was charged with one misdemeanor count each of possession of a small amount of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, and one summary count of purchasing alcohol as a minor.
Hardy, 19, was charged with one misdemeanor count of possession of a small amount of marijuana and one summary count of carrying a false identification.
A defense lawyer was not listed for either Dixon, Johnson, Taylor, Smith or Hardy.
Taylor has a preliminary hearing scheduled for Oct. 14. Dixon, Johnson, Smith and Hardy each have a preliminary hearing scheduled for Oct. 21.
Trust me, if you knew me or read any of my other posts, especially ones wading into politics, I am not an apologist for social justice demonstrations that turn violent, I am a huge believer in accountability, and in no way will I placate this generation of millennial that often seem entitled and whiny. Just that when it comes to pot specifically, kids smoke it in college....non-athletes and athletes alike. Considering the athletes are just sitting around their rooms taking virtual classes all day while their coach is travelling to and from/florida and they arent practicing regularly or being drug tested, some or many are smoking weed. Not condoning it, but it's just reality. What is strange to me however is that they seem to be getting caught at an alarming rate which leads me to believe they are either morons or something else is at play.
Like some others mentioned, even if it became legal, does not mean it would still be acceptable and allowed by team, university, etc.
Also, businesses can still make it not allowed by company policy and terminate you for violating it.
Also, businesses can still make it not allowed by company policy and terminate you for violating it.
So....I am not really a pot guy - never really cared for it because I really don't have interest in smoking. So, I will let others argue about legality.
But....don't most teams have some sort of rules about what the kids can and can't do? Even if it's legalized (which it is not in Pa - yet), wouldn't the coaches set rules about smoking weed during pre-season and season (at least)?
But....don't most teams have some sort of rules about what the kids can and can't do? Even if it's legalized (which it is not in Pa - yet), wouldn't the coaches set rules about smoking weed during pre-season and season (at least)?
100%. Nobody's arguing that MJ isn't almost certainly a violation of team rules, or even whether smoking MJ shouldn't be a violation of team rules (it probably should!).
That's a very different conversation than whether or not these guys should be arrested for it. Let em run laps, or throw up in the weight room, or whatever. But there's just no reason for the lack of discretion here by the Penn State PD - and that's the same whether or not the people suffering of the PD's lack of discretion are on the football team or the debate club.
Not defending the players, but the "smell" argument doesn't hold water. In jurisdictions where it is legal (including my own), you smell it everywhere, all the time. If your common wall neighbor smokes 24-7....too bad. Just like if they smoked cigarettes (which smell far, far worse than pot).
OK! the draw & quartering and stretching them on a rack might be a little too much, but send the third option "crucified in front of the stadium crowd " to ASB. Should be able to get 100,000 or so to watch; it worked for the Romans.
Franklin went to Florida to see his family once when this was initially shut down. Why did you feel the need to blame him or bring that up?
Actually you are wrong.
It is considered a nuisance and whether legal or not any decent hoa or board would stop it.
And in this case it is not legal and most likely there is no smoking in the apartments.
LdN
How many times has he been "to and from FLA"?
Seems like an odd thing to say and to bring up.
Few things:
1) I have previously complained to apartment landlords about cigarette smoking in neighbors apartments and they did nothing and claimed they could do nothing.
2) " any decent hoa or board would stop it." Clearly you are not familiar with urban living. Row houses have common walls, but obviously do not have HOAs or boards.
3) Anyone who voluntarily lives somewhere with an HOA needs to have their head examined.
1. Smoking cigarettes is not the same as smoking pot. Cigarettes, if allowed in the building which I doubt in the case of PSU students, are permitted and there's not much legally to do. Other odors... like POT smoke, is not permitted and can be specifically forbidden.
2. Are these kids living in an urban area in row houses? I guess I have not been to State College recently... but again this is why I said "decent hoa or board" which you have in quotes above. Sister Mary Houses on the lower east side probably wouldn't be considered in the above quote right?
3. Well I'm on the board of my ocean front condominium. When I lived there I woke up to see the beautiful Atlantic Ocean and many times dolphins swimming. I'll be sure to get my head examined.
LdN
As I said in another post, if they had crossed over College Ave. and got busted with a small amount or paraphernalia, it would be a citation with a small fine per borough laws. 50 feet away on campus and it's a misdemeanor. It's like shoplifting at a gift shop at a National Park being a Federal offense. That being said, these guys should have known better and deserve the punishment they get, which I'm sure will be plead down to a minor offense this time and a few game suspension.
There are likely parents of recruits who will factor this into where they decide to send their son. A one-off can be explained. And you can argue whether the substance should be legalized or whether its legalization has led to negative unintended societal consequences. That's a separate issue. Most parents don't want to send their kids to a big-time CFB program with a permissive drug culture.
LOL, my HOA can't even get the owners to clean up after their dogs or keep everyone from dumping their sofa's, mattresses, TV, Loveseats, Coffee Tables, End Tables, Dressers...in the trash corral.
I do agree about #3 but try to find a housing development, Townhouse development or Condo that doesn't have an HOA.
This is kind of the way I was looking at it as well. I am not saying it is the reason the 2021 class in in the 30's, but I am saying things like this could be a factor.
The implication above was that even if pot was legal you couldn't smoke it in an apartment because of the smell. My argument is that if pot is legal, the smell is no different than cigarettes (or cooking fish or curry or whatever). I was not talking specifically about State College, just the logic of the argument being presented.
I would not own property oceanfront (we shouldn't build anything on barrier beach islands), but if I did, it would be a house.
No Im sorry, I did'nt mean to implicate Franklin at all, just more of a "Cats away, mice will play" Thing. My point is that the kids are not practicing, schooling, being monitored, drug testing, etc at the same rate and kids will find ways to fill the time.
If so many parents of D1 recruits were concerned that their children might encounter marijuana at college, then BYU would be recruiting a lot better than they are now.
Sure, if a D1 athlete goes off campus to a party and is exposed to marijuana, that's one thing and it happens everywhere. But when the practice is embedded in the team culture, and its encountered daily in the athlete's living space, and among other teammates, that's a different scenario. Encountering the drug and having to routinely deal with it in a team setting are not the same. A recruit's parents will likely not ask the coaching staff to police and check on frat parties. But they may expect the coaching staff to be attuned to team dynamics and the living situation in dorms paid for by football scholarship money.
I know what you meant, and the point remains. If parents of recruits won't send their kid to a college football program where marijuana is a frequent and regular presence in the team dynamic, then there aren't going to be a whole lot of programs that those parents would approve of.
I haven't been to college in several decades but in my day, and I am sure it is even more liberal, MJ was used with impunity in well over half the dorm rooms on campus. It was more in off campus facilities like apartments. I am pretty sure these guys felt that they were safe and nobody cared about their MJ use. Then somebody complained. and they got busted. In my day, the RA would tell them to be more discrete and, often, show them how to be discrete (towel under the door, sometimes wet if a big blow was happening, certain sprays to knock down the smell, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised if they pissed someone off and that person(s) call security as revenge.
Does the school write up the average student for using MJ in their rooms? They didn't in the early 80s.
Fact is, this is a bad look for the team and I believe it will be used to negatively recruit against PSU. This is now 7 players in the last month, one of which is very bad. This needs to be cleaned up. No excuses.
Any season.
I would imagine collegiate sports teams have always had rules about what players can and can’t do.
Oh, like offseason? Though I did see that Mike Jones says this one is going be over after a vote last night... and last week... and the week before that..... and.....
