first half of Phil/Jed covered NIL

blion72

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Phil covered a lot of these topics today. some items on his list and QA from callers:

  • Will the NIL impact the actual athletic dept budget. Phil said the question didn't make sense as there is no impact, not part of AD, as it is athlete to sponsor.
  • Jed mentioned the USC activity, which could get them in hot water as the NCAA is saying the school cannot broker deals and create pay for play. Jed mentioned the DB from NJ who just committed to USC as a possible NIL win over PSU.
  • Can athletes use/wear their school's logos/jerseys/play videos etc - Phil mentioned the athletes cannot use the school items, which makes sense since those trademarks are the schools, and athletes do not own them. So if that is the case, the athlete would need an agreement with the school to use the logos for NIL $$, and likely have to pay the school.
  • Question of states making laws, and NCAA making guidelines, but no federal law. Many states prohibiting pay for play or university employees engaging in NIL activities with athletes. Area of future confusion and disputes. Enforcement issues for NCAA, or even states who have laws.
  • Discussed the big differences between those few athletes who are worth $$M and the vast majority worth very little.
  • Mentioned Dabo's idea of paying all athletes $80k per year, and then they pay all their expenses. Have to say I never heard this one, but not sure it was touching the NIL rights.
  • Discussed the issues of booster who pays for NIL but is not really and advertiser. So merely paying the player who does not provide any value, is that pay for play?
  • Referred to Saquon's value had this been there for him at PSU.
  • Discussed is PSU at disadvantage due to being in a "small market" vs say USC? Seemed to be pros and cons to that one.
one item that seemed to be relevant was the value of a HS athlete who has not yet done anything on the field. what is their market value for ads if they have not yet achieved anything? they have high value as a recruit, but that is back to pay for play.
 

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Phil covered a lot of these topics today. some items on his list and QA from callers:

  • Will the NIL impact the actual athletic dept budget. Phil said the question didn't make sense as there is no impact, not part of AD, as it is athlete to sponsor.
  • Jed mentioned the USC activity, which could get them in hot water as the NCAA is saying the school cannot broker deals and create pay for play. Jed mentioned the DB from NJ who just committed to USC as a possible NIL win over PSU.
  • Can athletes use/wear their school's logos/jerseys/play videos etc - Phil mentioned the athletes cannot use the school items, which makes sense since those trademarks are the schools, and athletes do not own them. So if that is the case, the athlete would need an agreement with the school to use the logos for NIL $$, and likely have to pay the school.
  • Question of states making laws, and NCAA making guidelines, but no federal law. Many states prohibiting pay for play or university employees engaging in NIL activities with athletes. Area of future confusion and disputes. Enforcement issues for NCAA, or even states who have laws.
  • Discussed the big differences between those few athletes who are worth $$M and the vast majority worth very little.
  • Mentioned Dabo's idea of paying all athletes $80k per year, and then they pay all their expenses. Have to say I never heard this one, but not sure it was touching the NIL rights.
  • Discussed the issues of booster who pays for NIL but is not really and advertiser. So merely paying the player who does not provide any value, is that pay for play?
  • Referred to Saquon's value had this been there for him at PSU.
  • Discussed is PSU at disadvantage due to being in a "small market" vs say USC? Seemed to be pros and cons to that one.
one item that seemed to be relevant was the value of a HS athlete who has not yet done anything on the field. what is their market value for ads if they have not yet achieved anything? they have high value as a recruit, but that is back to pay for play.

Bama said in its NIL statement athletes can wear Bama stuff if they get prior approval. No school is going to stop an athlete from making money unless it’s for something that is in direct conflict with a school’s mission or values.
 

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Bama said in its NIL statement athletes can wear Bama stuff if they get prior approval. No school is going to stop an athlete from making money unless it’s for something that is in direct conflict with a school’s mission or values.
In a sport filled with cut throats and whores I’m very interested in obtaining a list of those values. Probably not being able to crack the starting line up is one. That alone should send a player to the soon to implemented NIL portal.
 

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Bama said in its NIL statement athletes can wear Bama stuff if they get prior approval. No school is going to stop an athlete from making money unless it’s for something that is in direct conflict with a school’s mission or values.
that is the key, the school has to give them the right. if they want to forego payment for their trademark use, that is certainly the school's choice. think about this though - who do the explain the the NCAA why they charge for their trademark in some cases, but to not charge an athlete? could the NCAA (assuming they are the ones that are going to have to deal with pay for play) construe that this was an enticement in recruiting? Would the IRS consider the free use of the trademark taxable income? just questions - not assuming any opine or answer. this is very murky. still comes back to stopping pay for play.
 

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one item that seemed to be relevant was the value of a HS athlete who has not yet done anything on the field. what is their market value for ads if they have not yet achieved anything?
The 5* kids will find a sponsor willing to take a chance on them. Will lesser known kids hang out after the game to sell autographs? Will they sign clothes & souvenirs at McLanahans or Family Clothesline?

IMO this can't be good. It's tough enough to balance D1 sports and a academics. This could be a big distraction.
 

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The 5* kids will find a sponsor willing to take a chance on them. Will lesser known kids hang out after the game to sell autographs? Will they sign clothes & souvenirs at McLanahans or Family Clothesline?

IMO this can't be good. It's tough enough to balance D1 sports and a academics. This could be a big distraction.
They’re not going to make money doing dumb shit like that. Kids will make money on social media—the average age of posters here is showing because no one gets it.

And, I also can’t believe people still listen to Phil (or Jed).
 

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Do you believe colleges will be any less involved with NIL than they have been before it existed ?
I think not, and that they may even be more involved.