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FC: ESPN takes on Penn State once again

Can't lay this all at MM's feet. He told that powers that were then (Joe, CSS) that he saw CSA and they covered it up. That's on them. CSS went to jail for it. Rightfully so.
Again, not true. He testified he told Joe X and Curley/Schultz Y but nobody could remember the precise word usage. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, he waited until there was very little anyone could do. Any evidence was gone or destroyed. Had he acted as an adult and even simply IDed the kid, the story would be drastically different. I do have to add that two other mandatory reporters, MM's father and Dranov, also decided to wait until it was too late.

Finally, Joe did as the NCAA said to at the time and the policy was reinforced through today: Report it to your boss and someone outside of your reporting structure and let them do their jobs.

These are all facts that are not in dispute.
 
With 2000 posts probably already suggested. Sandusky was a former coach and player, NOT an employee. OSU and Michigan had employee Doctors on staff and paid by the university who committed horrendous atrocities on STUDENTS. 10 years later ESPN still cites PSU and Sandusky. Why, because the weak Board never stood up for the University and made Paterno a scapegoat. Now with this Woke culture the status of the University is further diminished.
He was an employee in 1998 when and they knew about him then.
 
Except that I am. I've published over 75 peer reviewed scientific publications.
This is a lie.
This is obviously very different from journalism, but I would argue that the hoops to jump through (peer review process) is much harder than a newspaper article (perhaps just one editor looking at it, and that editor isn't independent).
See above
I agree that most don't repeat. But she hasn't done ANYTHING in ten years. NOTHING. That is unusual and speaks to the fact that she is a hack.
Not really.
She was given illegal leaks from the OAG office.
An essential part of investigative journalism
And she was in a small market.
So?
That's the only reason her article made an impact.
I think it was one of the largest sports scandals in history and brought down a legend (which is why you hate her BTW)
Wrong again. Already surpassed and lapped.
Lies
 
Tell me what you want to see so that you will STFU about this, or you can just let it drop and STFU about this.
I have told you. Provide it or STFU
My morals are not made up as I go along.
Yes they are
But they are my own.
You make my point
No one told me what my morals should be.
You further make my point
You are intellectually weak if you have a set of morals that you were given by someone else.
No, you are moral if you are guided by objective standards. You are immoral if you may do as you please and justify it by saying "Well they are my morals". By your measure Stalin is just as moral as you.
 
If MM saw an assault he should have at a minimum called the police. Full stop.
Even if I accept that, it does not excuse the subsequent coverup of CSS and Joe. Full Stop.
I would also argue that he should have intervened but there are arguments against that which may have merit.
Same arguments as to why he didn't call the police without Top Cover.
The fact that he didn't call the police means he either didn't see an assault or he is a terrible person.
Your opinion but does not justify CSS and Joe covering it up.
Anything that happened after that does not affect the above statement.
Untrue
I've proven that I am multiple ways. Happy to prove it again, you just need to tell me what you want to see. Be specific.
You have not
He hasn't proven (or attempted to prove) anything about his fictional "buddy."
Same as you
I get what lame ass point he was making. My point is that just because you think "I only had two drinks" is a BS excuse, it is possible that someone has only had 2 drinks.
Just BS
 
Again, not true. He testified he told Joe X and Curley/Schultz Y but nobody could remember the precise word usage.
So, it was CSA
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, he waited until there was very little anyone could do. Any evidence was gone or destroyed. Had he acted as an adult and even simply IDed the kid, the story would be drastically different. I do have to add that two other mandatory reporters, MM's father and Dranov, also decided to wait until it was too late.
Which even if true does not excuse Joe and CSS for doing nothing
Finally, Joe did as the NCAA said to at the time and the policy was reinforced through today: Report it to your boss and someone outside of your reporting structure and let them do their jobs.
That didn't happen as the evidence shows that I have already provided.
These are all facts that are not in dispute.
Not your facts.
 
nope...they knew he had been investigated (including two sting operations) and the DA chose to not bring charges.
And PSU had a report from a LICENSED PhD who knew the victim that Sandusky was a likely pedophile.
 
And PSU had a report from a LICENSED PhD who knew the victim that Sandusky was a likely pedophile.
The report was an adjunct to an exhaustive investigation and belies your position. 1998 was a major investigation that resulted in no charges being brought...meaning, there was not enough evidence to charge him with a crime. "grooming" is not illegal lest over half the teachers in the USA would be arrested. What PSU knew was that a claim was made by a mother, her son stated that he was not molested, and two sting operations done with the mother without knowledge by JS, came up empty. My wife is a LICENSED PHD and knows that these studies are nothing more than unactionable yellow flags. They are opinions. In the meantime, JS was on the cover of SI as creating and sustaining one of the great male youth charities in the entire united states.
 
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I think you got your loons mixed up. You guys are the loons. MM saw the second most powerful man at PSU molesting a boy and reported it to Joe and CSS. They covered it up. I won't defend his choice of action but to claim that he "just witnessed a crime" without the proper context is BS. CSS deserved jail for it and Paterno gets the shame.
Basically how it went down, when they covered up 98 with the dueling psychologist reports and slow playing Mike in the next incident. They could've saved themselves when it broke by saying they just couldn't accept that Jerry could do this and even after the second report, saying they screwed up. That might have worked.
 
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The report was an adjunct to an exhaustive investigation and belies your position. 1998 was a major investigation that resulted in no charges being brought...meaning, there was not enough evidence to charge him with a crime. "grooming" is not illegal lest over half the teachers in the USA would be arrested. What PSU knew was that a claim was made by a mother, her son stated that he was not molested, and two sting operations done with the mother without knowledge by JS, came up empty. My wife is a LICENSED PHD and knows that these studies are nothing more than unactionable yellow flags. They are opinions. In the meantime, JS was on the cover of SI as creating and sustaining one of the great male youth charities in the entire united states.
You're getting so much wrong, they used the report by Seasock to help weaken the case. Meaning PSU arranged for that report purposely.
 
You're getting so much wrong, they used the report by Seasock to help weaken the case. Meaning PSU arranged for that report purposely.
Nope. what you are saying is pure speculation. that is based on Seasock's report was submitted three days before Gricar decided to NOT file charges.

What you are missing is the damning report simply stated that JS' actions were classic grooming. In no place did she suggest a law was broken. Grooming is NOT illegal. Half the teachers in FL would be in jail for grooming if that was the case (if you catch my drift). And, given the fact that a) the kid said he was NOT molested and b) that they tried TWO sting operations is much more powerful. More powerful in that these are legitimate sources of concrete and actionable evidence. And secondly, that this is concrete evidence that this was not brushed under the rug but fully investigated to come to a reasonable conclusion.

Finally, it IS NOT unusual for kids and/or their parents to make claims. Why are there almost NO MEN in elementary education? Trust me when I tell you this: If you are man working closely with at risk male and/or female youths, you WILL have a claim made against you within a year or two.

I've told this story before. A male friend was coaching his kids soccer team. He was going through a divorce and wanted to use the time to keep close to his son. A young girl scored a goal and jumped into his arms to celebrate. To keep her from falling, he used his arms under her butt to hold her up. His soon to be ex approached the parents with a video. The parents brought it to the league's attention, he was called in and asked a few questions and then exonerated. The ex brought it up in their divorce settlement. Should he be charged? Lose his job? Be publicly humiliated?
 
Nope. what you are saying is pure speculation. that is based on Seasock's report was submitted three days before Gricar decided to NOT file charges.

What you are missing is the damning report simply stated that JS' actions were classic grooming. In no place did she suggest a law was broken. Grooming is NOT illegal. Half the teachers in FL would be in jail for grooming if that was the case (if you catch my drift). And, given the fact that a) the kid said he was NOT molested and b) that they tried TWO sting operations is much more powerful. More powerful in that these are legitimate sources of concrete and actionable evidence. And secondly, that this is concrete evidence that this was not brushed under the rug but fully investigated to come to a reasonable conclusion.

Finally, it IS NOT unusual for kids and/or their parents to make claims. Why are there almost NO MEN in elementary education? Trust me when I tell you this: If you are man working closely with at risk male and/or female youths, you WILL have a claim made against you within a year or two.

I've told this story before. A male friend was coaching his kids soccer team. He was going through a divorce and wanted to use the time to keep close to his son. A young girl scored a goal and jumped into his arms to celebrate. To keep her from falling, he used his arms under her butt to hold her up. His soon to be ex approached the parents with a video. The parents brought it to the league's attention, he was called in and asked a few questions and then exonerated. The ex brought it up in their divorce settlement. Should he be charged? Lose his job? Be publicly humiliated?
Believe me it is not speculation, PSU rigged 98 so they had to run the same kind of playbook when mike reported to them. Have you or your wife seen all of the evidence and grand jury information? My friend has. That's the difference here, wishful thinking and a fantasy constructed versus reality.
None of your strawman examples apply to this case and particulars. They are all anecdotes
 
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Believe me it is not speculation, PSU rigged 98 so they had to run the same kind of playbook when mike reported to them. Have you or your wife seen all of the evidence and grand jury information? My friend has. That's the difference here, wishful thinking and a fantasy constructed versus reality.
None of your strawman examples apply to this case and particulars. They are all anecdotes
if you've got the evidence it was "rigged", I'd love to see it.

You don't initiate an investigation with two psychologists, several investigators, and two sting operations to shove it under the rug. Most of the media write ups are very similar to this one below: Basically, people that don't understand psychology, criminal evaluations thereof, and/or the law.

Again, my wife who is now an attorney used to do evaluations with sock puppets of kids who were suspected of being abused by family members. The idea is that if an adult coached up the kid, they'd never be able to get to the level of specificity and details. So they have the kid use the sock puppets to show how they were "touched". But these evaluations are used as accessories to a criminal case, not the basis for the criminal case. These kids of things are not close to 100% reliable, they all amount to someone's opinion no matter how learned. There still have to be facts.

 
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That would explain a lot.
except it isn't true. unfortunately, these people have to make decisions based on facts. Please note that the facts of the case are that the mother suspected something was going on but had no direct evidence other than her son was showering privately with a grown man (this is not illegal). The second piece of evidence is that the boy said that he was NOT molested or abused in any way. The third piece of evidence were two sting operations that the mother and investigators executed that were inconclusive (other than JS agreed that he should not have been showing with the kid without others present but stated that this is part of his strategy to give the young man a stong male presence along with a feeling that they were loved and appreciated).
 
That would explain a lot.
The details are there but after 1998 they couldn't play it straight so they slow played it. When it blew up there was no way to back it up. Claiming gross incompetence would have worked in my opinion and my friend thinks it was possible, but they were arrogant.
The current business model is to deny and obfuscate, don't give them anything. Back then the only possible out was we screwed up royally and didn't take Mike seriously. That was very hazardous though because he was a coach. You're keeping a guy on that tells you stuff you think was nonsense? Really? He makes an accusation against such a person and you don't believe him but think he's fit to work with the tram?
Really? It would've be difficult to navigate but claiming Jerry fooled them and we didn't take him seriously thinking he just didn't see it right might have given them an out, but maybe not. Obviously it's admitting to doing what they did but claiming they did the dumb. It might have been a tough sell.
Either way they were screwed.
 
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except it isn't true. unfortunately, these people have to make decisions based on facts. Please note that the facts of the case are that the mother suspected something was going on but had no direct evidence other than her son was showering privately with a grown man (this is not illegal). The second piece of evidence is that the boy said that he was NOT molested or abused in any way. The third piece of evidence were two sting operations that the mother and investigators executed that were inconclusive (other than JS agreed that he should not have been showing with the kid without others present but stated that this is part of his strategy to give the young man a stong male presence along with a feeling that they were loved and appreciated).
If the DA doesn't get all the facts, such as important information is withheld from him, he might not make the decision to prosecute ( which happened). The officers wanted to arrest him, they believed they had a enough but Gricar wasn't convinced and part of the doubt came from the Seasock report.
 
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The details are there but after 1998 they couldn't play it straight so they slow played it. When it blew up there was no way to back it up. Claiming gross incompetence would have worked in my opinion and my friend thinks it was possible, but they were arrogant.
The current business model is to deny and obfuscate, don't give them anything. Back then the only possible out was we screwed up royally and didn't take Mike seriously. That was very hazardous though because he was a coach. You're keeping a guy on that tells you stuff you think was nonsense? Really? He makes an accusation against such a person and you don't believe him but think he's fit to work with the tram?
Really? It would've be difficult to navigate but claiming Jerry fooled them and we didn't take him seriously thinking he just didn't see it right might have given them an out, but maybe not. Obviously it's admitting to doing what they did but claiming they did the dumb. It might have been a tough sell.
Either way they were screwed.
Again...please post any evidence you have to fortify your position.

If they wanted to brush this under the rug, why would they run two sting operations even after the kid stated that nothing ever happened to him?
 
The report was an adjunct to an exhaustive investigation and belies your position.
The report was definitive and should have been heeded.
1998 was a major investigation that resulted in no charges being brought...meaning, there was not enough evidence to charge him with a crime.
No, meaning there was not enough evidence to obtain a conviction. Very different.
"grooming" is not illegal lest over half the teachers in the USA would be arrested.
Grooming is most definitely illegal in every state I know of. You are mistaken.
What PSU knew was that a claim was made by a mother, her son stated that he was not molested, and two sting operations done with the mother without knowledge by JS, came up empty.
And PSU knew that Sandusky was a probable pedo as they got a report to that effect.
My wife is a LICENSED PHD
In what?
and knows that these studies are nothing more than unactionable yellow flags. They are opinions.
Opinions made by an expert who proved to be right. Jailtime and disgrace for those who ignored it.
In the meantime, JS was on the cover of SI as creating and sustaining one of the great male youth charities in the entire united states.
And molesting young boys as well.
 
The report was definitive and should have been heeded.

No, meaning there was not enough evidence to obtain a conviction. Very different.

Grooming is most definitely illegal in every state I know of. You are mistaken.

And PSU knew that Sandusky was a probable pedo as they got a report to that effect.

In what?

Opinions made by an expert who proved to be right. Jailtime and disgrace for those who ignored it.

And molesting young boys as well.
Once again, you show your lack of understanding.

"Grooming" is an accessory charge to molestation. It is not illegal if you cannot prove the molestation occured.

Grooming or child grooming is the act of deliberately establishing a relationship with a child to prepare them for abuse. As an action in and of itself, grooming does not have criminal penalties, but facilitation of a criminal sexual act is considered a crime.
 
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except it isn't true. unfortunately, these people have to make decisions based on facts. Please note that the facts of the case are that the mother suspected something was going on but had no direct evidence other than her son was showering privately with a grown man (this is not illegal).
Touching him in the shower is and that is what was happening
The second piece of evidence is that the boy said that he was NOT molested or abused in any way.
This is normal for CSA victims. Clemente would help you here.
The third piece of evidence were two sting operations that the mother and investigators executed that were inconclusive (other than JS agreed that he should not have been showing with the kid without others present but stated that this is part of his strategy to give the young man a stong male presence along with a feeling that they were loved and appreciated).
The stings were jokes. Just attempts to get Jerry to slip up and confess. We see today what a psychopath he is as he still proclaims his innocence.
 
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Once again, you show your lack of understanding.

"Grooming" is an accessory charge to molestation. It is not illegal if you cannot prove the molestation occured.

Grooming or child grooming is the act of deliberately establishing a relationship with a child to prepare them for abuse. As an action in and of itself, grooming does not have criminal penalties, but facilitation of a criminal sexual act is considered a crime.
Check this out
 
Touching him in the shower is and that is what was happening

This is normal for CSA victims. Clemente would help you here.

The stings were jokes. Just attempts to get Jerry to slip up and confess. We see today what a psychopath he is as he still proclaims his innocence.
And all of your comments mean zero when considering if charges should be filed or, even more challenging, if there is a reasonable chance of conviction.

All of what you write is pure speculation.

The facts of the case are that there was a considerable investigation and a very good DA, Gricar, chose to not bring charges. There has been zero evidence disclosed that suggested PSU tried to or had influence on this investigation at all.
 
exactly correct. it is an accessory to a conviction. The person is only charged and convinced of "grooming" in cases where the person was convicted of molestation or equivalent. Just as I said.

In October, Gov. Ed Rendell signed into law a bill that enforces tougher penalties for so-called "grooming offenses" - i.e. when a person in a position of authority commits a sex offense against a person in their trust.
 
And all of your comments mean zero when considering if charges should be filed or, even more challenging, if there is a reasonable chance of conviction.
Corbett explained this before. Trying to convict a pillar of the community sex offended like Sandusky requires a mountain of evidence. He couldn't get a conviction on just one incident since it was St Jerry. Michael Jackson was the same.
All of what you write is pure speculation.
No it is fact.
The facts of the case are that there was a considerable investigation and a very good DA, Gricar, chose to not bring charges.
He didn't have a strong enough case to convict a local legend.
There has been zero evidence disclosed that suggested PSU tried to or had influence on this investigation at all.
But they DID know Sandusky was a likely pedo. They had a report to that effect and whether he was charged or not that matters.
 
exactly correct. it is an accessory to a conviction. The person is only charged and convinced of "grooming" in cases where the person was convicted of molestation or equivalent. Just as I said.

In October, Gov. Ed Rendell signed into law a bill that enforces tougher penalties for so-called "grooming offenses" - i.e. when a person in a position of authority commits a sex offense against a person in their trust.
You didn't read it fully.

"Officially charged as corruption of a minor under the Pennsylvania Criminal Code, the new law increases the penalties for this crime from a misdemeanor to a felony with a maximum seven year sentence and $15,000 fine. Additionally, the new law broadens the authority of the Attorney General and District Attorneys' offices to investigate and prosecute grooming offenses that occur across county or state lines. The new penalties for grooming offenses take effect in December."
 
Corbett explained this before. Trying to convict a pillar of the community sex offended like Sandusky requires a mountain of evidence. He couldn't get a conviction on just one incident since it was St Jerry. Michael Jackson was the same.

No it is fact.

He didn't have a strong enough case to convict a local legend.

But they DID know Sandusky was a likely pedo. They had a report to that effect and whether he was charged or not that matters.
your post sounds like whining. I challenged you, you showed nothing but opinion. I backed up my opinions with the case facts. Case closed.
 
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You didn't read it fully.

"Officially charged as corruption of a minor under the Pennsylvania Criminal Code, the new law increases the penalties for this crime from a misdemeanor to a felony with a maximum seven year sentence and $15,000 fine. Additionally, the new law broadens the authority of the Attorney General and District Attorneys' offices to investigate and prosecute grooming offenses that occur across county or state lines. The new penalties for grooming offenses take effect in December."
Ed Rendell was gov in 1998? 2001? Do tell!
 
Dodging the question. LOL
you are wrong on the facts of what is grooming today but that is a nuanced discussion. What is NOT nuanced is that this has no bearing whatsoever on JS, PSU, JVP, C/S/S. Why did you bring it up?
 
I cited facts too but you disregard them. I win
that Ed Rendell was the gov that should have gotten Jerry Sandusky?

You are using a law signed into law by Ed Rendell in Nov. 2006 should have informed Gricar's decision in 1998.

Do you support giving speeding tickets in construction zones to people who drove in that area before it was a construction zone?
 
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IMO the article tries paint the picture that Paterno somehow could have stopped Hodne earlier. That seems to be crap.

I don’t know from the article that Paterno knew players were going to the preliminary hearing in support of Hodne - of course Hodne was entitled to the presumption of innocence and support of his friends and teammates at that point.

Once it was clear he was guilty it is also clear Paterno had less than zero interest in helping and in fact could be accused of witness tampering in the opposite direction in his statement that Hodne was guilty and the threat that if the player testified on his behalf he’d be off the team - a threat he apparently followed through with.

To me, the article wants to imply that Paterno’s call to Karen was to intimidate her but the only quote we got was, “Are you OK?” IMO hardly intimidating but I have no experience as a female victim of sexual assault.

I try not to be an apologist for Joe as I think he did what he should have but also believe he should have asked more questions or simply said, “I don’t want that guy around campus, period.” His referral to supervisors and hands off approach, while probably appropriate, seems short of what his true influence was.


Just examine victim histories.


When Dawn Daniels began to think Jerry Sandusky might have abused her son, she alerted Aaron’s high school. Then, after her son made some extremely vague allegations, Daniels took Aaron Fisher to Children & Youth Services, where intake case worker Jessica Dershem interviewed the teenager. Aaron did not reveal any overt sexual abuse. He only stated that Sandusky had cracked his back by hugging him with both of them fully clothed. Dershem then referred Fisher to Mike Gillum . .

Disappointed with the insufficient details, Dershem called her supervisor, Gerry Rosamilia and complained that she had an uncooperative fifteen-year-old in her office who was not disclosing sex abuse. She later said that she “sensed he was holding back.” Rosamilia told her to send him to Mike Gillum, a psychologist who had a contract with Clinton County, and who conveniently occupied an office upstairs in the same building.

When Gillum came down to the CYS office to get Aaron Fisher, he got this first impression:

“He had on a pair of raggedy jeans and some beat-up sneakers. His blond hair was scruffy and on the longer side, and he just looked disheveled, but it wasn’t the way he was dressed that stunned me. He was so extremely anxious, and moving around a lot, pacing the floor, in a really tight area in the lobby outside Jessica’s office, but looking down at the floor. His agitation was so high that he was wringing his hands.”

That was how Gillum described Aaron Fisher in Silent No More, a 2012 book written by Aaron Fisher, Fisher's mother, and Gillum, although the book is mostly written in Gillum's voice.

Fisher was obviously feeling pressured. He later recalled in Silent No More: “The truth is, I only agreed to go to his office because I wanted Jessica to stop asking me questions, and she said that Mike was the alternative, since I wasn’t answering her.”

Mike Gillum escorted Fisher into his office, where he began to reassure and disarm his young client, building the foundation for a trusting relationship that might enable future disclosure of sex abuse. Gillum rescheduled his other clients and spent the day focusing entirely on Aaron Fisher. Gillum wrote up a report for Jessica Dershem based on this initial confidential counseling session.

Fisher never told his mother exactly what was supposed to have happened to him. "Even now, these years later, he hasn't told me any details,” Daniels wrote in Silent No More. “Knowing what little I know, I can only imagine. And it makes me shudder."

At first, Fisher was equally uncommunicative with Mike Gillum, but Gillum immediately assumed that he really had been sexually abused. "I really think I know what you must be going through even though you won't tell me," he said. "You know...if someone touched you in your private parts, well, that's really embarrassing and hard to talk about because you're probably very scared.... It's my job and purpose to protect you and help you."

Gillum apparently believed that memories too painful to recall lay buried in the unconscious, causing mental illness of all kinds -- among them, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and alcoholism. His duty as a counselor was to entice clients whom he suspected had been subjected to abuse to reveal this abuse or to raise buried memories to the surface, where healing could begin.

Fisher’s agitated behavior during his first meeting was a red flag and a certain indicator of child sexual abuse in Gillum’s mind. “He looked at me straight in the eye, and you could see the pain in his eyes, you could see how uncomfortable he was, he was physically shaking at times, his voice was cracking.”

Later, in 2014, when I interviewed Mike Gillum in his office, he denied that Fisher had repressed memories, though Gillum admitted that he believed in the Freudian theory and had helped other adult clients recall previously “repressed” abuse memories.

The Courage to Heal, the "bible" of those who believe in repressed memories of sexual abuse, was prominently displayed on his bookshelf. In Fisher’s case, however, he said that it was more a matter of “peeling back the onion,” and that “Aaron did what a lot of people do during abuse. He would dissociate with his body. Aaron would freeze up and stare into space so that he wasn’t even there. Many rape victims report the same thing. They kind of pretend it’s not happening.”

I was impressed by Gillum’s sincerity during our interview. He certainly had no intention of encouraging false allegations. He truly wanted to help his clients, and he clearly had helped many of them who really had been abused. Yet it was also clear that his presumptions and methods, especially in the case of Aaron Fisher and other alleged Sandusky victims, might lead to well-rehearsed but illusory memories.

Like many other repressed memory therapists I have interviewed, Gillum emphasized that he took care not to lead his clients, even though that was precisely what he was doing. “You have to be careful not to put words in their mouth,” he said. “You try to take your time to get through the layers of information.”

Before he began seeing Mike Gillum, Fisher did not think of himself as a victim of sexual abuse. In Silent No More, Gillum wrote, “It didn’t even hit him that he was a victim until he was fifteen.”

Fisher verified this, writing, “It really wasn’t until I was fifteen and started seeing Mike that I realized the horror." Although Fisher showed signs of mental distress that got more serious over the course of his therapy, Gillum did not question himself or his therapeutic approach. Instead, he blamed it all on the supposed abuse and the uncertainty over whether the allegations were going to result in an arrest.

Gillum explained in Silent No More how he cued and prodded reluctant clients such as Aaron Fisher.

"If I'm lucky, they just acknowledge spontaneously without too much prodding," he wrote. But otherwise, he asked many Yes or No questions. "It's like that old kids' game of Hide the Button, where the kids say yes when you get closer and no when you're just on a cold trail."

This is classically bad technique for interviewing those suspected of being abused. It is highly suggestive, and it is often clear from the inflection of voice or body language (leaning forward expectantly, etc.) what answer is appropriate. And when No isn't acceptable, the interrogator just keeps asking until he or she gets a Yes.

"Although they give me information," Gillum said, "they don't feel held accountable because I'm guessing, but my guesses are educated." Gillum compared delving into the unconscious to “peeling back the layers of an onion,” and he knew what he would find at its rotten heart.

To Gillum, Aaron Fisher seemed immature, scared, and not very bright. "Aaron was beginning to open up, not in words, but his body language relaxed some. Though I knew he was fifteen, I couldn't get over how young he looked -- and his mental function and maturity appeared to be that of a twelve-year-old as well."

Finally, Gillum got him to answer Yes to his more and more specific questions. "He finally admitted that the man had touched his genitals and kissed him on the mouth, and he was painfully uncomfortable as he told me."

Gillum kept at it for three hours that first day with Aaron Fisher. "The whole time I was with him, I wasn't really taking notes, even during that first session. I wrote my notes up afterward. I did write down some trigger words, though."

After two hours, Gillum claimed that Fisher "told me that oral sex had occurred. Even then he didn't tell me on his own; I asked him and he said it had.... I was very blunt with him when I asked questions but gave him the ability to answer with a yes or a no, that relieved him of a lot of burden." In a later interview, however, Gillum said that it took him six months to get Fisher to say that he was subjected to oral sex.

Fisher confirmed that he said very little. "As long as I told him that something happened, I didn't need to go into any detail. I just needed to tell him if something sexual happened, like touching or oral sex, and he would ask me so all I had to do was say yes or no…. Mike just kept saying that Jerry was the exact profile of a predator. When it finally sank in, I felt angry," Fisher wrote in Silent No More.

This was the beginning of the process of turning Jerry Sandusky into a monster in Aaron Fisher's mind, a process all too familiar to those who know about repressed memory therapy. Indeed, one of the books about the process, by Richard Ofshe and Ethan Watters, is called Making Monsters.

Three years later, Mike Gillum would join the board of an organization called “Let Go Let Peace Come In,” whose website is filled with repressed memory references and assumptions, and he would go on to counsel four other alleged Sandusky victims. But until then, Gillum spent the next three years reinforcing Fisher’s abuse narrative.

At that point, the theory of repression had been denounced as a fiction by memory scientists for nearly two decades. Nevertheless, Michael Gillum was convinced that Fisher had buried memories that must be exhumed, like peeling back the layers of an onion, and he explained it all to him, though he apparently avoided using the term “repressed memories.” Instead, he talked about “compartmentalizing” memories.

After this tutelage, Fisher asserted that "I was good at pushing it [memories of abuse] all away... Once the weekends [with Jerry] were over, I managed to lock it all deep inside my mind somehow. That was how I dealt with it until next time. Mike has explained a lot to me since this all happened. He said that what I was doing is called compartmentalizing…. I was in such denial about everything."

And for once Aaron Fisher had someone who believed him no matter what. Once Fisher entered therapy with Gillum, nothing he said would be doubted or scrutinized for its historical truth. The chair in Gillum’s office would become Fisher’s sanctuary. For an adolescent who had a widespread reputation among classmates, neighbors, and teachers for deceit, this was a welcome change.

“Aaron would consistently lie and scam,” his history teacher Scott Baker told an investigator. Another teacher, Ryan Veltri, said that “Aaron was untruthful, conniving, and would blame other kids to save himself.” Next-door neighbor Joshua Fravel claimed that Aaron Fisher was “a conniver and always made up stories. He lied about everything. He would say just about anything if it got him what he wanted.”

Even after Sandusky’s conviction for multiple counts of abuse, many people in his hometown continued to disbelieve Fisher. “There are…people in my community [who] said I was a liar,” he complained in 2014. “They never apologized and still say I’m a liar.” Fisher said that the hardest thing for him was not the alleged abuse by Sandusky, but “the failure of almost everyone in his community to believe him,” as he told a reporter.

Gillum saw himself as Fisher's savior and protector. "At the end of that day I promised Aaron that I would be with him throughout this whole ordeal. I said I would see him through from beginning to end and meet with him every day if that's what it would take to make him whole again." Indeed, as Fisher said, "I saw Mike every day for weeks, and I called his cell whenever I needed him. I still see him every week, and he's still always at the other end of the phone."

Again, this is classically bad therapy, encouraging an over-dependence on the therapist. I have written about this kind of therapy at length in my books about memory, most recently in Memory Warp, to be published in October, 2017. The therapist becomes the most important person in the client's life, and the client will go to great lengths to please the therapist. The relationship develops into an unhealthy pattern where, in order to continue to elicit sympathy and attention, the client must produce more and worse memories of abuse.

From then on, Gillum was the main driver behind the abuse allegations. When Aaron first spoke to the police, on Dec. 12, 2008, Gillum was upset because they wouldn't let him sit in on the interview. At that point, he had been seeing Fisher every day for three weeks. "I had prepared Aaron as best I could for this interview," he explained. "Aaron was scared and didn't want to tell his story, but we had talked about it extensively and he knew this was something he had to do."

Gillum was absolutely certain that Jerry Sandusky was a sexual predator who had abused his client, and that it was his job to pressure Fisher into giving a detailed account of the abuse. Gillum never talked to Sandusky, but that probably would not have made any difference.

It clearly never occurred to Gillum that he might be pressuring a troubled, vulnerable young teenager into making false allegations. Jessica Dershem, the CYS caseworker who was present during this first police interview, told Gillum that during the interview, "Aaron was reticent.” Still, he was now talking about fondling and kissing on the mouth, which he had not alleged initially. Fisher denied that oral sex had occurred. "They could have asked him the proper questions in the right way to ascertain the extent of the abuse," Gillum complained.

Fisher’s statements about what occurred between himself and Jerry Sandusky were to change dramatically from November of 2008 until June of 2011. Indeed, his own conception of his experiences would be altered permanently as well. When first interrogated, he told the authorities that Sandusky cracked his back. His clothes were always on. He denied that Sandusky ever went below his waistline, even though he was asked multiple times throughout the interview. He told them that nothing else occurred.

By December 12, 2008, Fisher had been questioned three times by authorities (the school, child protective services, and the police), yet he told them that nothing had happened that could be considered criminal. He told the state troopers that Sandusky had never touched his genitals, and when asked if oral sex occurred, he denied it. But he was never going to be questioned by the authorities alone again. Michael Gillum would be constantly by his side.

Jerry Sandusky was first called in for questioning on Jan. 15, 2009. As Gillum observed in these two paragraphs from Silent No More, Sandusky denied that he had sexually abused Aaron Fisher, though he admitted hugging and “horseplay:"


[Sandusky] admitted that he cracked Aaron's back; he hugged him and kissed his forehead in the way that you would a son or grandson. He said there was horseplay, for sure...but the notion that anything sexual occurred was ridiculous. He not only denied the fondling and kissing Aaron on the mouth, but he dismissed it categorically. [He] assume[d] a sympathetic bent to Aaron, saying that the charges were all trumped up and that Aaron was angry at him, although he didn't know why, since he'd done so much for the boy.
He was disheartened that Aaron was making these false claims since they had enjoyed such a great relationship. Sandusky suggested that perhaps Aaron was angry and sullen because he, Sandusky, had started doing things and going places with other boys and maybe Aaron was jealous. All in all, Sandusky acted as though he was totally mystified by the entire situation.... Basically, he just said that Aaron was a screwed-up kid, and rather than act angry the way other perpetrators do when faced with these kinds of allegations, he... seem[ed] almost sorry for Aaron and this fantasy he had evidently created.

According to Jessica Dershem’s notes from that meeting, Sandusky admitted that Fisher would sometimes lie on top of him and that he would rub and crack his back, with his hands underneath his shirt. When asked whether the back rubs extended to Fisher’s buttocks, Sandusky said, “I can’t honestly answer if my hands were below his pants.” If Sandusky were a child molester who had cleverly hidden his guilt for years, this kind of painful attempt at honesty seems remarkably inept. “He admitted to everything except the sexual contact,” Dershem recalled later. “To me, that meant it was all true.” Her logic is difficult to follow.




Nonetheless, the wheels had been set in motion. Gillum observed with satisfaction, "I was now permitted to sit in on all the interviews, though I still wasn't allowed to speak for Aaron." He could, however, influence him. "The more time we had, the better," Gillum thought. "Maybe as time went by, Aaron would be more forthcoming.... They needed more details and information [and hopefully] Aaron would not only have revealed more details to me but would be more comfortable revealing them to someone else as well."
Seven months went by. After daily and weekly therapy sessions, Fisher had finally answered again with a “yes” to a suggestive question from Gillum about oral sex. As Fisher explained it, “As long as I told him that something happened, I didn’t need to go into any detail. I just needed to tell him if something sexual happened, like touching or oral sex, and he would ask me so all I had to do was say yes or no. He was real straightforward. When I said yes, that oral sex happened, Mike just said that I didn’t have to talk about it more right now, but at some point, when I was ready, I could talk to him more.”



To review, then -- by the beginning of 2009, Aaron Fisher had made rather vague allegations that Jerry Sandusky had molested him, after his mother got the idea that the molestation must have happened and alerted the school principal, who took it from there. Fisher's disclosures came in the form of answering "Yes" or "No" to leading questions. He had supposedly told Gillum that he and Sandusky had engaged in oral sex, but then he denied it to the police. Fisher was emotionally overwrought and was indeed the "screwed-up kid" that Sandusky perceived him to be.
When Trooper Cavanaugh submitted a report to the Clinton County District Attorney Michael Salisbury, he noted that most of the allegations took place in Centre County, so (with probable relief) he sent it over to Centre County District Attorney Michael Madeira. But Madeira was married to the sister of one of Sandusky’s adopted children, so he recused himself, asking the Pennsylvania Office of the Attorney General to take the case. There, it was assigned to Senior Deputy Attorney General Jonelle Eshbach, who had considerable experience with child sex abuse cases, particularly during her time as an assistant district attorney in York County.
With Eshbach’s direction, on March 19, 2009, police officer Timothy Lear interviewed Aaron for another hour with Gillum by his side. "He was nodding his head yes or no as Lear asked him pointed questions about the nature of the sexual abuse,” Gillum wrote. “We needed verbal answers for the record, and it was hard to keep asking him to state his answers out loud. Aaron gave one- or two-word answers about where he was touched and what happened to him, and when it got to the more graphic details of oral sex, Aaron was still reluctant to state any details. He just kept nodding to indicate that abuse -- and particularly, that oral sex -- had happened."
So apparently Fisher was now at least nodding affirmatively that oral sex had occurred. Still, Gillum was frustrated at "this extremely fragile fifteen-year-old boy whom I can barely get to talk to me about the details of the sexual abuse." He assumed that Fisher was reticent because "he's not only traumatized but also scared to death that Sandusky is going to kill him, even by going so far as to hire a hit man."
This assumption by Gillum, which he transmitted to Fisher, is part of the process of the demonization of Jerry Sandusky, turning him into a Monster, and is quite similar to the paranoia that therapists purveyed to clients about mythic satanic ritual abuse cults that were supposedly out to kill their clients.
Nonetheless, something in Aaron Fisher still rebelled against the effort to incriminate his former friend. Mike Gillum noted that Fisher was stunned when he realized that the stories he had told in therapy might harm Sandusky. When Officer Lear boasted to Fisher that he “would put the cuffs on anybody,” Fisher’s “eyes got real wide and he became very quiet.” He answered Officer Lear mostly by nods. At last they prompted Fisher to give one- or two-word answers. “He looked down at the floor as if he was ashamed.”
Of course, his shame could have derived from revealing oral sex acts, but it could also have derived from his uncertainty about whether he was telling the truth. Gillum reported that Fisher “asked me very detailed questions about if Sandusky went to prison, how long he would be there. He worried that something bad would happen to Sandusky and said that all he wanted was to get away from him. He wasn’t looking to punish him.”
The prosecutor, Jonelle Eshbach, meanwhile was pressuring Gillum to get Fisher to come up with details. "She hoped he would become more comfortable and discuss in greater depth the details that were relevant to the case. She made it very clear that the standard of evidence required by the attorney general's office before they could even begin to prosecute the crimes inflicted on Aaron had to be far more comprehensive."
Gillum reassured her that Fisher was likely to comply. "With most child victims of sexual abuse, their information comes in layers." This is in fact usually true of false allegations, not real ones. A growing and malleable sex abuse narrative, influenced by therapy, is often a warning sign that false memories are being developed.
The other thing that repressed memory therapy often does is to make subjects worse rather than better. "Once I started therapy with Mike and began to tell him everything," Fisher said, "the nightmares actually got a lot worse.... They were nightmares about what happened to me all those times Jerry was doing things to me and making me do things to him."
Instead, it is possible that these nightmares were fantasies induced by therapy and then the nightmares themselves were taken as "proof" that the abuse had taken place. This is exactly what many repressed memory therapists did with clients -- warning them that they would have nightmares about abuse that would then prove that the abuse occurred, thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"I went from nightmares about Jerry abusing me to nightmares about Jerry having people come after me and kill me and my family and take things from me," Fisher wrote in Silent No More. "They were so graphic in detail that even after I woke up I could recite everything that happened and everything that was said.... Those nightmares were my reality."
Aaron Fisher was becoming a much more disturbed young man. The counseling process, in which he vividly imagined how Jerry Sandusky might have abused him, was blurring his already weak boundaries between reality and fantasy. Nightmares became more frequent and more vivid after therapy began. He became suicidal. He was hospitalized three times for anxiety or “conversion disorder” under Gillum’s care, which Gillum described as “deep psychic pain from deep in your unconscious.”
Mike Gillum thought that Fisher’s fears of being killed by a hit man hired by Jerry Sandusky were appropriate, and he validated them.
“In no way at all did I think he was paranoid,” Gillum recalled. “I did not and would not discount or dismiss Aaron’s fears; I knew he was entitled to have them.” Fisher was generally so fearful that he made a report to his high school in October 2010 that a man from Second Mile wearing a dark suit and worn pants had approached him.
Asked about this report during the trial he said he had been “startled and confused,” and that throughout that entire school year “I did nothing but watch the entrances of the school to make sure somebody wasn’t going to come into the school and talk to me and throw me into an anxiety attack.”
An investigation indicated that no such mysterious man had approached him. In the same month, Fisher drove into a tree, fracturing his skull. His mother wondered whether the evil Jerry Sandusky had somehow sabotaged the car. Fisher later recounted how he unsuccessfully attempted suicide, slicing his forearms with a razor and trying to hang himself in his closet.
Despite Fisher falling apart, the daily therapy began to pay off in other ways. "Eventually," said Gillum, "Aaron told me in no uncertain words that it was after that second summer at camp, when he was twelve, that the intensity of the sexual acts escalated to oral sex, which Aaron was forced to perform as well as receive."
Gillum was teaching Fisher that he had dissociated during his theoretical abuse, which was one of the reasons he hadn’t remembered it. “With Sandusky’s help,” Gillum wrote, “Aaron managed to disassociate himself from the grim reality of abuse, as victims do.” Fisher parroted the same jargon about dissociation that Gillum had taught him: “I spaced. I took myself out of my body and away from him and out of that basement room.” This stereotypical language could have been taken verbatim from many classic repressed memory accounts.
After Timothy Lear was suspended from the force for assaulting his ex-girl friend, Trooper Scott Rossman became the new interrogator, asking Fisher things such as, "Did he ever try to put his dick in your butt? I mean his penis in your anus?"
Rossman also began to search for other potential victims, with encouragement from Gillum, who was sure there must be others. "He wanted details about my school and when Jerry was there and what were the names of other kids and where did they live and what did they look like," Fisher said.

"Later I found out that Trooper Rossman and some agents in the attorney general's office went out scouring neighborhoods, just like cops do in the movies. They worked a fifty-mile perimeter." Eventually, the police would also begin to question other Second Mile children, particularly those named in Sandusky's 2000 book, Touched.
Two grand juries investigated charges of child abuse against Jerry Sandusky, at which Aaron Fisher was the star witness. Grand juries are little-understood affairs. They resemble trials in that they have jurors (23 of them in Pennsylvania, hence the name “grand jury,” versus the 12 jurors in a normal trial) who listen to sworn testimony.
But unlike regular trials, grand juries are held in secret, for the purpose of determining whether there is enough evidence to pursue a criminal indictment. In a grand jury, the prosecutor presents a case, but there is no defense lawyer present, and no cross-examination is allowed. Nor are transcripts ever made public.
Grand juries meet for three or four days per month and can last up to two years. Each panel of jurors can hear evidence in several different cases. In Sandusky’s case, the 30th Pennsylvania grand jury met to consider the allegations from June 2009 until early 2011. Then the 33rd Pennsylvania grand jury, with a different jury pool, took it up again in March 2011.
At his first grand jury interrogation, which convened in June 2009, "Mike prepped me and told me what to expect," Fisher recalled. "Mike had permission to sit in the courtroom with me." But when asked about the alleged molestation, Fisher just started to cry. He blurted out “No!” when Jonelle Eshbach, the Assistant Attorney General, asked whether oral sex had occurred. He broke down weeping. Due to his disturbed emotional state, a recess was called so that Fisher could receive medication and a pep talk from Gillum.
After the break, Fisher performed more satisfactorily, providing Eshbach with the anticipated answer of “Yes,” but continuing to weep. It is certainly possible that Fisher was so emotional and conflicted that he initially denied that abuse had occurred because he actually knew, despite all the therapy, that abuse had not occurred.
After the first grand jury session, "Aaron continued to come in for therapy at least once a week...and we held several phone calls in between sessions,” Gilllum recalled. “I had an open arrangement with Aaron and Dawn to the effect that if either of them needed me for whatever reason, they could call at any time -- day or night."
The grand jury refused to indict Sandusky. "The first grand jury said that Aaron had trouble responding clearly and didn't elaborate as much as he could have or should have.... Jonelle would say something like, 'He then would touch you in a sexual way,' and Aaron would answer yes or no. In the second [session of the] grand jury, the jurors wanted Aaron to narrate the story in his own words. They wanted all the gory details."
Gillum was frustrated, suggesting that he could testify instead of Aaron under the "Angel Act," also known as the "Tender Years Exception to the hearsay rule." In that case, "I could have testified as though I was the child if I deemed that the child was too fragile and the court concurred." Instead, "Jonelle and I gave him [Aaron] some more coaching and emphasized that he had to state exactly what happened. Jonelle explained that she didn't want anyone on the jury to say that she had been leading the witness."




Of course, leading the witness is exactly what they were already doing with the "coaching" sessions, with the months of therapy, with the assumption and insistence that he had been abused, and with Eshbach’s leading questions. By the time he testified again to the grand jury, reconvened on Nov. 16, 2009, Aaron Fisher’s testimony and memory had been irrevocably contaminated.

"Once Aaron took the stand, Jonelle... pushed him a lot harder that second time." To Fisher’s credit, he managed through tears to be more of his own advocate and narrator, until he literally collapsed." He began to perspire, went pale and sank to the floor. Then he vomited.
"The second grand jury [actually the same pool of jurors in the 30th Pennsylvania grand jury, meeting again] still did not feel that Aaron's testimony was strong enough to make a case for an arrest." Time dragged on. Fisher continued therapy and continued to get worse, becoming severely depressed and experiencing panic attacks and excruciating abdominal pain by August 2010. He also began to talk about suicide. "He was truly beginning to come apart,” Gillum observed.
All of this should be familiar to those who have studied the impact of repressed memory therapy. As one woman told Bass and Davis in The Courage to Heal, “Breaking through my own denial, and trying to fit the new reality into the shattered framework of the old, was enough to catapult me into total crisis. I felt my whole foundation had been stolen from me. If this could have happened and I could have forgotten it, then every assumption I had about life and my place in it was thrown up for question.” Another revealed, “I just lost it completely. I wasn't eating. I wasn't sleeping…. I had terrible nightmares about my father. I was having all kinds of fantasies …. Physically, I was a mess. I had crabs. I hadn't bathed in a month. I was afraid of the shower.”
Similarly, in her book Repressed Memories, Renee Fredrickson told the story of her client, Carolyn. “Her anger and grief were enormous. For months she suffered emotionally, physically, and spiritually. She had crying jags, eating binges, suicidal feelings, and bouts of depression.”
Fredrickson unquestioningly assumed that all of these were symptoms of abuse. “I never felt like my problems were connected to my past,” Carolyn told her. “To be honest, they still don't seem related.” Another patient exclaimed during a session: “But I feel like I'm just making this up!” Fredrickson ignored her concern. “I urged her to continue, explaining that truth or fantasy is not of concern at the beginning of memory retrieval work.” Thus, it was common for many who underwent repressed memory therapy to fall apart in the same way that Aaron Fisher did. The repressed memory therapists always interpreted these symptoms as the result of the abuse, when in fact they were caused by the therapy itself.
On April 11, 2011, a new Grand Jury met to hear Aaron Fisher’s testimony. This time, as Fisher recalled in his book, "the new grand jury allowed me to read my testimony, since I had given it twice before.” According to Mike Gillum, Fisher just read aloud his previous testimony, even though it had been deemed to be too vague and uncertain, one-word answers in response to leading questions. Gillum denied that he helped Fisher write the testimony that he read aloud.
At this point, "the nightmares were picking up speed again, but this time I was also sleep walking," Fisher wrote in Silent No More. He would yell, "Get away!" and "Leave me alone!" By this time, as he himself observed, "My monster was real." Jerry Sandusky's transformation into a Monster was complete.
Near the end of August 2011, however, Aaron Fisher got cold feet. During a meeting with Gillum, the prosecutors, and the police, Fisher said, "I'm out. That's it. I'm not going to be your witness anymore." Gillum interpreted this as Fisher expressing frustration that Sandusky had not yet been arrested, which may have been the case, but it also could have been Fisher’s frustration at having been pushed and pushed to create stories that he knew deep down were not true. Even Gillum seemed to recognize this on some level. "If not for my pushing him along, he [Aaron] might have backed out a long time before this, and to this day I still question myself about how much I pushed him," he wrote.
But Gillum did convince Fisher to testify, and on Nov. 5, 2011, Jerry Sandusky was arrested. "I never thought the arrest would happen," Fisher said, "and when it did, something didn't feel right about it." The arrest came just before Fisher's eighteenth birthday. At this point, he had been under Gillum's influence for three years.
By this time, the police had succeeded in locating five other Second Mile boys who were willing to say that Sandusky had molested them, along with the anonymous "boy in the shower" of the McQueary incident (they did not know that this boy was Allan Myers, who came forward soon thereafter to defend Sandusky), and a hypothetical hearsay victim based on testimony of a Penn State janitor (who said another janitor, Jim Calhoun, who was now suffering from dementia, had witnessed the abuse). By the time of the trial, they had come up with two more alleged victims.
When Aaron Fisher testified during the 2012 trial, the inconsistencies of his allegations were exposed. He couldn’t remember what he had said about the abuse and couldn’t keep it straight. “I don’t remember dates of when I told people anything. All I know is that it happened to me. I honest – I don’t even want to be here.”
That could be explained easily if he had recovered memories that were unconnected to reality. If a witness’s testimony is not based on real events, naturally he doesn’t have anything to connect it to. For example, Fisher offered four guesses about when oral sex occurred.
One: It stopped a month before or after his birthday on November 9, 2007. Two: It started in the summer of 2007 and continued until September of 2008. Three: It started November of 2007 and continued until the summer of 2008. Four: It only started during 2008, going into 2009 [impossible, since he made his allegation in the fall of 2008].
Indeed, Fisher’s testimony over the course of the investigation was erratic. In June of 2009, Fisher told Scott Rossman that he had performed oral sex on Sandusky many times, and that Sandusky had ejaculated, keeping his eyes closed. A week later he said it only happened once. Yet in November 2009 he said he had never performed oral sex on Sandusky.
When reminded of his previous testimony, he complied by then saying it did happen. During the trial, when he was confronted with the fact that his testimony had changed frequently and asked why that was, Fisher told the jury that he had “white lied” to save himself embarrassment, because he was scared, because he was under stress and didn’t know what to do.
In his testimony, Fisher also said that after he began to stay overnight at the Sandusky household, “I acted out. I started wetting the bed. I got into fights with people.” But in fact, according to one of Fisher’s childhood friends and his father, Fisher had wet the bed repeatedly on sleepovers before he ever met Sandusky.
But none of these issues -- Fisher’s bed-wetting, his confusion regarding dates or places, or his changing story about oral sex – provided sufficient reason to disbelieve his story. A reporter attending the trial described Fisher’s testimony: “The sobs from the witness stand were loud and prolonged, the cracking voice of Victim No. 1 in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual molestation trial gasping for breath as he detailed repeated acts of oral sex with the former Penn State defensive coordinator.”
The testimony had a profound effect on the audience, including the jury. “The sighs and sniffs echoed around a rapt Centre County Courtroom as jurors looked on, a couple noticeably disturbed. A few grimaced at the retelling and shook their heads.” The reporter’s dramatic story continued:
The witness then breathed heavily. He followed with a deep sniff of his nose, then hung his head and openly wept. "He…" More sobs. "He put…" There was another prolonged sigh. An attempt at a breath. A loud cry. "He put his mouth on my privates," the witness said through a broken voice, seemingly just trying to spit it out. "I spaced. I didn't know what to do with all the thoughts running through my head. I just blacked out. I didn't want it to happen. I was froze."
In fact, in the trial transcript at that point, when Fisher talked about oral sex, he used tell-tale languge to indicate that these were recovered memories. Gillum had probably explained that Fisher couldn’t really recall the oral sex clearly because he “spaced,” he “blacked out,” he was “frozen.” Perhaps Gillum had explained that Fisher had dissociated, blanking it all from his memory. Fisher continued: “He blew on my stomach, and then it, it just happened. I don’t – don’t even know.” Indeed, it is possible that he truly didn’t know.
Fisher said that he had stayed overnight in the Sandusky household about 100 times between 2005 and 2008. His mother “kind of let me do my own thing.” In fact, “in some ways she encouraged it.”

He said that he had been repeatedly molested in the basement, yet he willingly continued to return for additional rounds of abuse for three years. The only explanation he gave for not confiding in his mother was that he was afraid she might not believe him and that he was embarrassed and scared. He frequently used the line, “I couldn’t.” During his alleged abuse, he couldn’t move. He was “froze.” He couldn’t talk. Understandably, the jury accepted this highly emotional testimony and found Jerry Sandusky guilty of all the charges concerning Aaron Fisher.
 
I have told you. Provide it or STFU
You have either not told me in a way that is specific enough to be useful (independently verifiable is too vague) or when you told me I didn't see it (you have posted reams of nonsense...I'm sure I've skipped some of your posts completely).
Yes they are
Provide an example of how my morals have been inconsistent.
You make my point

You further make my point
So who tells you what your morals should be? If you did not arrive at your own set of morals, then you are a sheep.
No, you are moral if you are guided by objective standards. You are immoral if you may do as you please and justify it by saying "Well they are my morals". By your measure Stalin is just as moral as you.
This is not the definition of morals.

Here is the relevant definition:
"a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do."

There is no requirement for it to be objective (although I think you are misusing the term objective in this instance) or even static (although mine are). There is no suggestion that a person cannot set their own morals.

I am not a scholar of Stalin but if he was up front about his morals (e.g. if he was open about saying he thought murder was OK), then he could be moral even though his morality would be rejected by most people.

You have a recurring problem where you think that anyone who is different from you is wrong. That's a pretty scary position to take.
 
you are wrong on the facts of what is grooming today but that is a nuanced discussion. What is NOT nuanced is that this has no bearing whatsoever on JS, PSU, JVP, C/S/S. Why did you bring it up?
You said it was not illegal and I proved that it was. I countered an erroneous statement you made.
 
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