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Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation? When formal charges are handed down, then that’s when coach’s discipline should kick in, right? I agree that something like this certainly looks bad given the toxic environment there but let’s not forget about the right of due process, something the media is all too quick to kick aside.
Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation? When formal charges are handed down, then that’s when coach’s discipline should kick in, right? I agree that something like this certainly looks bad given the toxic environment there but let’s not forget about the right of due process, something the media is all too quick to kick aside.
That guy is an idiot.
Due process? Who does ‘due process’ anymore? From universities, the NCAA, the media (from cnn to ESPN), and the general public- It’s all about outrage and condemnation now.
Don’t let details and quaint little notions of things like due process get in the way of ratings and outrage!!!!
Everyone knows Tom Izzo runs that town. If he needs the police to do him a favor he simply picks up the green IzzoPhone. DoneWouldn't izzo, as the most powerful person in east lansing, have the police in his back pocket?
Everyone knows Tom Izzo runs that town. If he needs the police to do him a favor he simply picks up the green IzzoPhone. Done
What might prove troublesome to MSU is that stat -- something about 37 out of 37 athletes accused of abuse were released with no charges filed. That might indicicate something systemically amiss about the culture in Creep Lansing. Imagine if the AD actually arranged some kind of arrangement with law enforcement. Dust off the napalm...
"at one time"?It's only because that outrage was pointed to us at one time that we were anti outrage
Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation? When formal charges are handed down, then that’s when coach’s discipline should kick in, right? I agree that something like this certainly looks bad given the toxic environment there but let’s not forget about the right of due process, something the media is all too quick to kick aside.
Took my son to Grand Valley State yesterday. Heavy nursing and education university with a 2:1 ratio of women to men. I thought about this...how do I "counsel" him on his behavior? I have jokingly told friends I will have him carry a consent form with him for the times he will want to ask a girl out at a bar, or any progression of an evening following.I honestly have no idea what to tell young men these days.
Took my son to Grand Valley State yesterday. Heavy nursing and education university with a 2:1 ratio of women to men. I thought about this...how do I "counsel" him on his behavior? I have jokingly told friends I will have him carry a consent form with him for the times he will want to ask a girl out at a bar, or any progression of an evening following.
I'm with you, Obli, not sure what to say.
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However, since I worked a few summer camps, I became a "professional acquaintance" of the PS coaches. I still remember Fran Ganter's response to my - what's going to happen with Rashard Casey? question.Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation?
Apologies referring to the ratio. 59% to 41%. It has slipped since my neighbor attended!Awesome.
However, since I worked a few summer camps, I became a "professional acquaintance" of the PS coaches. I still remember Fran Ganter's response to my - what's going to happen with Rashard Casey? question.
He said they had information that proves the story out there is false and that Rashard is innocent of what he had been charged with. They were very very confident he was going to have all charges dropped.
Having that in your back pocket may explain how Joe Paterno and PS handled Casey's situation.
According to Travis walton's last victim , izzo has so much power he influences the police. If the police ignored nassar, do you think they will handle big money sports properly?
However, since I worked a few summer camps, I became a "professional acquaintance" of the PS coaches. I still remember Fran Ganter's response to my - what's going to happen with Rashard Casey? question.
He said they had information that proves the story out there is false and that Rashard is innocent of what he had been charged with. They were very very confident he was going to have all charges dropped.
Having that in your back pocket may explain how Joe Paterno and PS handled Casey's situation.
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Info that was conveniently NOT shared with the media jackals, which added to the scrutiny at the time. As a result, Rashard was correctly vindicated. I prefer cases be tried in a courtroom and not in the media.
Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation? When formal charges are handed down, then that’s when coach’s discipline should kick in, right? I agree that something like this certainly looks bad given the toxic environment there but let’s not forget about the right of due process, something the media is all too quick to kick aside.
A former State College lawyer told me at the time that the Casey incident was caught by a security camera at a post office across the street. PSU coaches were told immediately that Casey didn't do anything wrong.
The Casey situation happened in the Spring. The Grand Jury ended things in August. Things may have been handled differently if the timing had been different, but we'll never know.Playing devil’s advocate...how is Izzo’s treatment of this player different than Joe’s handling of the Rashard Casey situation? When formal charges are handed down, then that’s when coach’s discipline should kick in, right? I agree that something like this certainly looks bad given the toxic environment there but let’s not forget about the right of due process, something the media is all too quick to kick aside.
Everyone knows Tom Izzo runs that town. If he needs the police to do him a favor he simply picks up the green IzzoPhone. Done
What might prove troublesome to MSU is that stat -- something about 37 out of 37 athletes accused of abuse were released with no charges filed. That might indicicate something systemically amiss about the culture in Creep Lansing. Imagine if the AD actually managed some kind of arrangement with law enforcement. Dust off the napalm...
Go gay. Less drama.I honestly have no idea what to tell young men these days.
THis is why it was dumb for MSU to go on the offensive against ESPN...ESPN won't stop until they get their man, like they did with Joe.MSU's problem now..is that EVERYTHING will be under a microscope especially with ESPN looking into and "defending" their own position...every case...everything MSU athletes do from now on...everyone will know about.ESPN will make sure of that.
I do think MSU made a mistake publicly challenging ESPN...this is going to get worse...
MSU can defend themselves all they want but this is NOT going away.
Spoke with a hoboken old timer randomly one time..(he saw I had some penn state gear). casey came up, he told me it was a garbage charge.A former State College lawyer told me at the time that the Casey incident was caught by a security camera at a post office across the street. PSU coaches were told immediately that Casey didn't do anything wrong.
Our leaders were silent.....how'd that work out?THis is why it was dumb for MSU to go on the offensive against ESPN...ESPN won't stop until they get their man, like they did with Joe.
There’s a third way (in which you don’t specially call out espn).Our leaders were silent.....how'd that work out?
I think it’s tone deaf and dumb to do that. After what is clearly a massive cock up with regards to the Nassar debacle, hundreds of millions of lawsuits potentially looming, a me too movement nationally, you think that’s a smart move? This isn’t comparable to Sandusky, because I do think our board screwed up in many ways there.If anyone at MSU has even 1/2 a testicle, and it appears they do, they will tell ESPN to:
Go F Themselves (maybe in slightly more PC terms).
And that is absolutely what they should do.
Anyone who thinks the proper"strategery" - when faced with such media-driven idiocy - is to curl up in the fetal position, is either dumb as a bag of hammers, or hasn't been paying attention to the workings of the mass media (and particularly ESPN) over the last several years.
How anyone can critically read that nonsense, and think there is any great issue there, is astounding. And they (MSU) owe it to themselves, and the public as a whole, to point it out..... forcefully.
They are all wrapped up together, can’t push back on a case by case basis.I thought we were talking about the subject of the OP.
I know I was.
If not, mea culpa