Do we want to count on the Post Office as a key part of 2020 election?

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  1. royboy

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    This from the Associated Press, certainly no pro-Trump media platform.

    Senator, Union Leader: Postal Service Considers Downsizing

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — The U.S. Postal Service is considering closing post offices across the country, sparking concerns ahead of an anticipated surge of mail-in ballots in the 2020 elections, U.S. Sen Joe Manchin and a union leader said Wednesday.

    Manchin said he has received numerous reports from post offices and colleagues about service cuts or looming closures in West Virginia and elsewhere, prompting him to send a letter to Postmaster General Louis DeJoy asking for an explanation.

    The possible cutbacks come as DeJoy, a major donor to President Donald Trump who took control of the agency last month, moves to eliminate overtime for hundreds of thousands of postal workers, potentially causing a delay in mail deliveries. A recent document from the Postal Service, obtained by The Associated Press, described the need for an "operational pivot" to make the cash-strapped agency financially stable.

    “It’s just asinine to think that you can shut something down or throttle it back in terms of the pandemic when basically the lifeline for voting and democracy is going to be in the hands of the Postal Service,” Manchin, a Democrat, told reporters Wednesday.

    He said at least two post offices in West Virginia had been scheduled to close next month but that the agency had “slowed” its plans.

    A spokesman for the Postal Service referred questions to a prior statement from DeJoy, which said the agency “has experienced over a decade of financial losses, with no end in sight, and we face an impending liquidity crisis.” The statement goes on to say that “it is critical that the Postal Service take a fresh look at our operations and make necessary adjustments.”

    Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union, which represents more than 200,000 postal workers and retirees, said there's "definitely buzz” about closures although he said he was not aware of specific details. A spokesman for the union said rank-and-file postal employees have been told by managers that their offices are being targeted for potential cutbacks.

    “The logical conclusion is that he’s going to try to close some post offices,” Dimondstein said of the postmaster general's belt-tightening strategies.

    The coronavirus pandemic has created further strain on Postal Service finances. The service reported a $4.5 billion loss for the quarter ending in March, before the full effects of the shutdown sank in.

    Manchin's letter noted that the coronavirus relief package passed by Congress in March included authorization for the agency to borrow up to $10 billion from the U.S. Treasury. The money was intended to help the Postal Service maintain essential services during the pandemic....

    https://www.windstream.net/news/rea...ostal_service_considers_down-ap/category/news
     
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  2. MikeJones2353

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    Yes
     
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    Regardless of political affiliation putting it in the hands of the USPS is going to be an absolute shit show!
     
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    What are you going to do? Force people to vote in person during a pandemic? Ok buddy.
     
  5. CoastGuard2018

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    Yes! They can make a pit stop from the Riot!
     
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    If they can go to Walmart, Sam’s Club, Kroger or work they can go to vote.
     
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    You don’t have to wait in line for hours to shop at Walmart like many people do when voting.
     
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    The USPS can't even deliver my bills on time. The young lady who delivers my mail with headphones in and shouting on the phone routinely mixes up our mail....

    Yeah, I trust them...... dolt.
     
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    The idea that Donny is slowing down the Postal Service in order bolster the argument against mail in ballots is reprehensible and classic Trump.
    How many pieces of mail does the average American get in a day? In a week? The idea the Postal service can’t handle 2 extra pieces of mail per voter is ridiculous. Classic Trump.
     
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    Please explain why, Mike.
     
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    Liberals can’t deny the complications of counting mail-in ballots

    A fundamental and tragic fact of life in America today is that whatever President Trump is for, most media and half the country instantly reject. Even when he’s clearly right, the zombie-like resistance leaps into frenetic opposition.

    Take the case of universal mail-in voting.

    Trump insists that the plans of some states, such as California and Colorado, to counter the pandemic by mailing a ballot to every registered voter is a formula for disaster. It will, the president says, guarantee mayhem and cast doubts on the November results.

    Nonsense, shout the usual suspects. That’s unfounded, he’s making it up, there’s no evidence, blah blah blah.

    Ah, but there is evidence. Lots of it, and right in front of us, thanks to the continuing saga of two New York congressional races. Five weeks after the Democratic primaries, no winners have been declared. Results for two others were delayed for three weeks.

    The major problem was the volume of mailed-in ballots — more than 400,000 across the city, against the 23,000 received and validated four years ago, The Washington Post reports. The Board of Elections, creaky, sloppy and unreliable on the best of days, is swamped....

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/a-national-mail-in-ballot-election-would-be-a-disaster-goodwin/
     
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    (continuation of above linked piece)

    ....Eight hours later, Trump said never mind, suggesting the initial tweet was intentional misdirection. “Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting…” he tweeted.

    In a later press conference, he went further, saying “Do I want to see a date change? No,” Trump said, “but I don’t want to see a crooked election.”

    Whew, emergency over. But not the damage to Trump.

    The incident was a good example of how his instinctive habit of poking the hornet’s nest can result in his getting stung and valid policies getting overshadowed. His suggestion that he might try to delay the election allowed many on the left to claim they are right to worry that Trump won’t leave office voluntarily if he loses. His clarification notwithstanding, you can bet they won’t let go of the incident.

    Of course, the backlash also proved that the media don’t want to confront the obvious problems of mail-in ballots — for the obvious reason. Many are openly hostile to Trump and don’t seem to mind whether the results are trustworthy nearly as much as they want the result to be that Joe Biden wins.

    So while the president got them talking about the issue, what they were saying, and still are, is that Trump is a threat to democracy.

    He’s not. That dishonor belongs to those who can’t see straight because of their hatred for him.

    The left’s endorsement of riots, its support for China and its disdain for the police, American history and culture are tearing this country apart. And now the same people are willing to let the election be thrown into chaos because Trump dared to point out problems.

    No tweet, no matter how off-key, can match the danger of their madness.
     
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    This country is in deep trouble.

    We are rapidly approaching an election where whatever side loses is going to claim the other side cheated.

    Partisanship has reached a level where cheating might not only occur but it would be viewed as acceptable by Americans on the winning side.
     
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    Holy hell! For once I tend to agree with you.
     
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    A total of an hour to do the shopping and 5,6,even 7 hours standing in line to vote. Wake up Coast Guard. And yes, we know the cons tricks when it comes to voting.
     
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    The average wait time in the U.S in 2012 was 13.1 minutes. You are framing this as if the 6-7 hour thing is widespread and it’s commonplace. It’s not even in minority neighborhoods. There are always some exceptions but the overwhelming majority of the populace is not waiting anywhere remotely close to that amount of time. You are taking the extreme end of the spectrum to try and make a political point. There is a 2019 Washington Post article (hardly a conservative rag) that said only 18 percent of Americans wait 30 minutes or longer. In California in 2016 the average wait time was 6.6 minutes. Florida 5.5. Tennessee 10.1 and Georgia which has been a problem State 16.6 minutes.
     
    17 CoastGuard2018, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:35 AM
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  18. The Spin Meister

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    Who are you and what did you do with Jersey Boy?
     
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    If C-19 is the issue why not have an election week instead of an election day? Nothing can be reported until the end of the final day. Pretty simple if you ask me.

    But this is not what democrats want, and we know why. If they are willing to burn down our cities to influence an election, why not commit fraud?
     
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    Received my mail in ballot application from St Clair County, IL yesterday, unsolicited. Received applications for people that used to live at this address, but no longer do, as well. This is ripe for voter fraud to occur. If I wouldn't know better, I would think the Democrat machine that runs this county was encouraging it. ;-)
     
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    Trump’s complaints about mail in voting is totally disingenuous.
    Trump and Moscow Mitch have done NOTHING to protect the November election from Russian interference. Trump and Moscow Mitch have done NOTHING to protect the health of voters casting individual votes in November. The problem with universal mail in ballots is that it will cost a lot more money to do expeditiously. Let’s spend the money and make it work. Instead Trump has instructed his new Postmaster General to slow the mail down. What a POS.
     
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    Here is the major problem with mail in voting: I don't think any state actually believes in its own voter rolls. How many people are going to receive ballots that don't have any rights to those ballots, and how many of those will fill them out anyway?
     
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    Jason, I posted the article to which you replied here.

    The title of the article:
    Liberals can’t deny the complications of counting mail-in ballots

    Yet, you somehow do deny the problems.
    Unless you are trying to induce mass chaos to this country (and maybe you are), mass mail-in voting is a bad idea. Try and avoid your reflex reaction and read the entire piece.
     
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    I won’t deny there are issues with large scale mail in ballots.
    Do conservatives deny there are significant health concerns with large numbers of people waiting in long lines to vote? We want people to vote, but we don’t want to create thousands of super spreader events on Election Day.
     
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    Why does it take hours for D's to vote?

    There must be a punchline somewhere o_O
     
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    The reason this country is in deep trouble is the D's don't accept the outcome of elections.

    You've pissed and moaned about every election the D's have lost over the past 20 years. It will be no different when Biden loses to Trump o_O
     
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    Voter suppression is no joke.
     
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    5, 6, 7 hours? Dimentia Frankie is standing in the wrong line o_O
     
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    D's piss and moan about everything. This board is a 24 hr D bitch/hatefest
     
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    He thinks he is still at the grocery store when he gets to the front and has to start all over
     
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    After excessive voting lines on Super Tuesday forced Texans to wait up to six hours to vote, state lawmakers are directing their attention toward challenges voters faced in trying to cast ballots for the presidential primary election.

    The Mexican American Legislative Caucus announced Thursday it would hold a joint hearing this month with the Texas Legislative Black Caucus and the Texas Legislative Study Group, a nonpartisan caucus, to hear from election officials, experts and voters affected by long lines and other issues at the polls.

    “Texas must quickly fix the problems encountered by voters during Primary Election Day so that we do not see a repeat of these failures during the November General Election,” state Rep. Rafael Anchía, the Dallas Democrat who chairs MALC, said in a statement. “We received reports of limited polling locations, workers and machines, ridiculously long lines, equipment malfunctions and elections website failures.”
    https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/05/texas-lawmakers-excessive-voting-lines-primary/
     
  33. Sullivan

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    So you're saying that people don't generally wait in line for hours to vote, but you once heard that somebody in a state that you don't like, had a long wait o_O
     
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    I’m saying people who live in cities often have to wait for a long time to vote, which decreases turnout in these areas.
    And it isn’t fair and it is distorting election results.
    Mail in voting would correct this.
     
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    Why don't the cities purchase more voting machines?

    Maybe we can delay the November election until the cities get more voting machines ;)
     
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    Mail in voting would lead to even more voter fraud o_O
     
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    Its not going to correct anything just give Dems a chance at more fraud although for you that probably is correct in your eyes
     
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    No evidence mail in votes lead to more fraud.
    And what has Trump proposed to make voting easier and improve access?

    Instead all they have done is try to find ways to make voting harder for certain groups of people.
    And it is completely obvious why they do this.
     
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    Make it harder? Why don't the D's just get more voting machines???
     
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    Someone has to pay for them.
    The GOP has fought expanded voting days because they don’t want more people to vote.
    Most GOP voters live in rural areas where lines aren’t very long.
    Lots of Democrats live in cities so any proposal that would increase voting in the cities the GOP is fervently against.
     

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