Cleveland radio station taking "Baby its cold outside" off the radio
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Post of the year baby. Just a classic that sums it all as to where we are as a society today.
There is a guy that died a couple of years ago. He had a blog called The Kid from Brooklyn. He would do his rants and end the segment with his catch phrase: “the world is coming to an end”. Many of his rants were not very PC, and tough to agree with sometimes. But hard to argue with his signature line. The world as we knew it is done.
The guy likes the girl, enjoys her company and good-looks and doesn't want her to leave yet. How is that tied to rape? What inkling does this song suggest rape is on the way. So silly and overblown. Besides, she is the one in the song that asks for a "half a drink more." Lighten up.
Now if we're talking about Old Mother Hubbard's dog? Now we got a case....
What “thousands” of feminists? To begin with, someone else posted that article - not me - and secondly I saw a feminist being interviewed on TV last year around this time and she too was defending the song. Maybe instead of being so sensitive and looking for things to be outraged by, people ought to take a deep breath and try to understand what it is that on first blush they find so offensive. The song was written over 80 years ago. The references don’t mean what you think they mean. Slang changes, what people find funny changes, societal norms change.
The girl never says “no”. She sings she “...OUGHT to say no, no, no” but she never does. Then she sings “At least I’ll say that I tried.” It’s a half hearted rebuke of the guy’s advances. It’s a courtship dance based upon societal expectations of the day. She has to say she wants to go because that’s what “good girls” do but her half-hearted rebukes give away the fact that she really wants to stay. In fact, in the beginning of the song she asks for a comb before she leaves. Now why do think her hair would be a mess?
Here’s a Christmas song to be offende by: Fairytale of New York by the one and only Shane McGowan.
It’s a actually pretty nice town other than being a little too gray (weather-wise). Been to a lot of cities worldwide and Cleveland is nowhere near sucking relative to a lot lf other towns.
Because women are equal to men in all ways and capable of doing anything a man does, so she was probably helping him split wood for the fire.
I take it as a lie. Our President never bragged "about raping chicks". Unlike another President from our recent past, no "chick" has ever accused Trump of anything but a consensual relationship.
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Here's an article from NPR about the song and stations pulling it - looks like some have reconsidered after hearing from listeners.
'Baby, It's Cold Outside,' Seen As Sexist, Frozen Out By Radio Stations
December 5, 201810:01 PM ET
AMY HELD
Composer Frank Loesser with his wife and musical partner, Lynn Garland, in 1956 in New York. Decades later, Loesser's "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is being banned by radio stations.
This #MeToo-era-cum-yuletide-season, radio stations are pulling the plug on that holiday earworm with lyrics that, to some, ring date-rape warning bells, rather than evoking innocent snow-bound flirtation.
The tune "Baby, It's Cold Outside," with words that seemed charming when FDR was in office, may land with a tone-deaf thud on the ear of today's listener.
But the stations banning the song have been met with a controversy of their own.
Written by Frank Loesser in 1944, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" featured in the 1949 film Neptune's Daughter, winning the Oscar for best original song.
The call and response duet has a female voice trying to tear herself away from her date in myriad ways: "I've got to go away ... Hey, what's in this drink?" And finally, "The answer is no."
But her declarations of "no" are far from final, with the male voice, wheedling "Mind if I move in closer ... Gosh, your lips are delicious ... How can you do this thing to me?"
Cleveland's WDOK put its foot down where the female voice could not, announcing its ban of the song last week.
"I do realize that when the song was written in 1944, it was a different time, but now while reading it, it seems very manipulative and wrong," host Glenn Anderson wrote on the station's web site. "The world we live in is extra sensitive now, and people get easily offended, but in a world where #MeToo has finally given women the voice they deserve, the song has no place."
Brian Figula, program director of KOIT saw the headlines and determined the song would have no place at his San Francisco station. He banned it on Monday.
But he told NPR that he had no idea of the "tornado" he would face: hundreds of emails demanding the song be put back in rotation, more than ten times the number of requests he said he fielded asking him to yank it.
"People are unbelievably passionate about their Christmas music, it's the one thing that you can't mess with," Figula said, adding that listeners rely on it "to reminisce to the good old days when life was easy and simple."
Finding common ground on "Baby, It's Cold Outside" has been anything but simple.
A feminist defense of the lyrics points out that when they were written a woman with a reputation had to protest a man's advances, even if she actually welcomed them, and the song's figurative woman is actually expressing her sexuality in a veiled era-appropriate way.
Furthering the ambiguity, KOSI in Denver has done an about-face, first banning the song on Monday, then opening up a poll to put the decision to listeners. The results were unequivocal: the vast majority of the 15,000 respondents demanded the song's return, the station said.
"While we are sensitive to those who may be upset by some of the lyrics, the majority of our listeners have expressed their interpretation of the song to be non-offensive," Program Director Jim Lawson said in a statement.
In San Francisco, KOIT is also now reconsidering its decision and may bring the song back, depending on the results of its own poll. Listeners have until Dec. 10 to decide.
'Baby, It's Cold Outside,' Seen As Sexist, Frozen Out By Radio Stations
December 5, 201810:01 PM ET
AMY HELD
Composer Frank Loesser with his wife and musical partner, Lynn Garland, in 1956 in New York. Decades later, Loesser's "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is being banned by radio stations.
This #MeToo-era-cum-yuletide-season, radio stations are pulling the plug on that holiday earworm with lyrics that, to some, ring date-rape warning bells, rather than evoking innocent snow-bound flirtation.
The tune "Baby, It's Cold Outside," with words that seemed charming when FDR was in office, may land with a tone-deaf thud on the ear of today's listener.
But the stations banning the song have been met with a controversy of their own.
Written by Frank Loesser in 1944, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" featured in the 1949 film Neptune's Daughter, winning the Oscar for best original song.
The call and response duet has a female voice trying to tear herself away from her date in myriad ways: "I've got to go away ... Hey, what's in this drink?" And finally, "The answer is no."
But her declarations of "no" are far from final, with the male voice, wheedling "Mind if I move in closer ... Gosh, your lips are delicious ... How can you do this thing to me?"
Cleveland's WDOK put its foot down where the female voice could not, announcing its ban of the song last week.
"I do realize that when the song was written in 1944, it was a different time, but now while reading it, it seems very manipulative and wrong," host Glenn Anderson wrote on the station's web site. "The world we live in is extra sensitive now, and people get easily offended, but in a world where #MeToo has finally given women the voice they deserve, the song has no place."
Brian Figula, program director of KOIT saw the headlines and determined the song would have no place at his San Francisco station. He banned it on Monday.
But he told NPR that he had no idea of the "tornado" he would face: hundreds of emails demanding the song be put back in rotation, more than ten times the number of requests he said he fielded asking him to yank it.
"People are unbelievably passionate about their Christmas music, it's the one thing that you can't mess with," Figula said, adding that listeners rely on it "to reminisce to the good old days when life was easy and simple."
Finding common ground on "Baby, It's Cold Outside" has been anything but simple.
A feminist defense of the lyrics points out that when they were written a woman with a reputation had to protest a man's advances, even if she actually welcomed them, and the song's figurative woman is actually expressing her sexuality in a veiled era-appropriate way.
Furthering the ambiguity, KOSI in Denver has done an about-face, first banning the song on Monday, then opening up a poll to put the decision to listeners. The results were unequivocal: the vast majority of the 15,000 respondents demanded the song's return, the station said.
"While we are sensitive to those who may be upset by some of the lyrics, the majority of our listeners have expressed their interpretation of the song to be non-offensive," Program Director Jim Lawson said in a statement.
In San Francisco, KOIT is also now reconsidering its decision and may bring the song back, depending on the results of its own poll. Listeners have until Dec. 10 to decide.
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That is patently false, noting Trump has denied doing anything inappropriate with his 16 public accusers.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410
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She does say 'The answer is no,' after the 'ouhgt to say no, no, no' part. But, agree with the rest of what you wrote.
We should look for more subtle signs in some of the Christmas songs that offend the sensitive nature of some folks. Here are some suggestions (not mine, but copied.)
1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: subjecting minors to softcore porn
2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation
3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances
4. White Christmas? Racist
5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker
6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression
7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Bullying
8. It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben
9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail
10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snow woman
11. Do You Hear What I Hear: blatant disregard for the hearing impaired
12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow
13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse
14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership
1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: subjecting minors to softcore porn
2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation
3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances
4. White Christmas? Racist
5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker
6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression
7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Bullying
8. It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben
9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail
10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snow woman
11. Do You Hear What I Hear: blatant disregard for the hearing impaired
12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow
13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse
14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership
I say let the speech authoritarians muzzle themselves any way they choose to while the rest of us enjoy Christmas with free and open conversation!
I can understand why its being removed my question is why publicly announce it just don't play it. Do you really think someone is going to say "Hey how come that station doesn't play Baby Its Cold Outside anymore"? I doubt it.
It reminded me of our idiots that decided to publicly say there weren't playing Sweet Caroline anymore because of the "touching me, touching you" line.
Photo: Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Late yesterday (NOV. 21, 2007), singer Neil Diamond revealed that the inspiration for his famous song “Sweet Caroline” was a girlish Caroline Kennedy, who was 12 when the song was originally released. He even performed the song via satellite at Kennedy’s 50th-birthday party last week, which friends say was a thrill for the charitable New Yorker. This unwraps one of music’s great riddles, in the order of “Who is Carly Simon singing about in, ‘You’re So Vain’?” and “Hey Steve Miller, what the hell is a ’pompatus’?
Diamond, 66, said he was a “young, broke songwriter” in the ‘60s when he saw a cute photo of Caroline Kennedy in a magazine. “It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony,” he recalled. “It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there.”
Photo: Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Late yesterday (NOV. 21, 2007), singer Neil Diamond revealed that the inspiration for his famous song “Sweet Caroline” was a girlish Caroline Kennedy, who was 12 when the song was originally released. He even performed the song via satellite at Kennedy’s 50th-birthday party last week, which friends say was a thrill for the charitable New Yorker. This unwraps one of music’s great riddles, in the order of “Who is Carly Simon singing about in, ‘You’re So Vain’?” and “Hey Steve Miller, what the hell is a ’pompatus’?
Diamond, 66, said he was a “young, broke songwriter” in the ‘60s when he saw a cute photo of Caroline Kennedy in a magazine. “It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony,” he recalled. “It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there.”
Neil Diamond??? I am talking the Black Diamond!!!
Photo: Hulton Archive/Getty Images
Late yesterday (NOV. 21, 2007), singer Neil Diamond revealed that the inspiration for his famous song “Sweet Caroline” was a girlish Caroline Kennedy, who was 12 when the song was originally released. He even performed the song via satellite at Kennedy’s 50th-birthday party last week, which friends say was a thrill for the charitable New Yorker. This unwraps one of music’s great riddles, in the order of “Who is Carly Simon singing about in, ‘You’re So Vain’?” and “Hey Steve Miller, what the hell is a ’pompatus’?
Diamond, 66, said he was a “young, broke songwriter” in the ‘60s when he saw a cute photo of Caroline Kennedy in a magazine. “It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony,” he recalled. “It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there.”
I read the allegations by the accusers on your list. You said that Trump was a rapist. Not one accuses Trump of rape. As best I know none of the accusers has taken her case beyond the Gloria Allred backed publicity stunt stage.
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Spin the bottle, dancing around the Maypole*, exchanging valentines with the grade school girls etc. Paper boy, curb hop, shoeshine boy, lemonade stand,etc.
*During the 17th century, Puritanical leaders frowned upon the use of the Maypole in celebration; after all, it was a giant phallic symbol in the middle of the village green.
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I never said that. You said all his relationships have been consensual and that 'no chick has ever accused him of anything other than a consensual relationship.' I simply said he has been accused of sexual misconduct and as you've noted, there hasn't been much movement on them. That is all.
My original post responded to this exact allegation: "Our president brags about raping chicks."
There is no point in continuing this discussion. I probably shouldn't have started it in the first place. You hate Trump with a white-hot passion and will bash him at every opportunity. I don't like him personally but hate to see lies about him since I like his policies.
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Fair enough - to wit, I am unaware that he has ever been accused of rape and my intent was not to corroborate or support the quote from the previous poster - only to share the other allegations out there about misconduct (which I thought fit under the relatively wide umbrella of 'accusations'). That said, I am a big fan of Trump holding China accountable on IP and trade.
95% of the Denver Radio station respondents favored keeping the song causing the station to put it on their playlist again. See video in this link: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/12/04/kosi-baby-cold-outside-radio-christmas-music/
Here's an article from NPR about the song and stations pulling it - looks like some have reconsidered after hearing from listeners.
'Baby, It's Cold Outside,' Seen As Sexist, Frozen Out By Radio Stations
December 5, 201810:01 PM ET
AMY HELD
Composer Frank Loesser with his wife and musical partner, Lynn Garland, in 1956 in New York. Decades later, Loesser's "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is being banned by radio stations.
This #MeToo-era-cum-yuletide-season, radio stations are pulling the plug on that holiday earworm with lyrics that, to some, ring date-rape warning bells, rather than evoking innocent snow-bound flirtation.
The tune "Baby, It's Cold Outside," with words that seemed charming when FDR was in office, may land with a tone-deaf thud on the ear of today's listener.
But the stations banning the song have been met with a controversy of their own.
Written by Frank Loesser in 1944, "Baby, It's Cold Outside" featured in the 1949 film Neptune's Daughter, winning the Oscar for best original song.
The call and response duet has a female voice trying to tear herself away from her date in myriad ways: "I've got to go away ... Hey, what's in this drink?" And finally, "The answer is no."
But her declarations of "no" are far from final, with the male voice, wheedling "Mind if I move in closer ... Gosh, your lips are delicious ... How can you do this thing to me?"
Cleveland's WDOK put its foot down where the female voice could not, announcing its ban of the song last week.
"I do realize that when the song was written in 1944, it was a different time, but now while reading it, it seems very manipulative and wrong," host Glenn Anderson wrote on the station's web site. "The world we live in is extra sensitive now, and people get easily offended, but in a world where #MeToo has finally given women the voice they deserve, the song has no place."
Brian Figula, program director of KOIT saw the headlines and determined the song would have no place at his San Francisco station. He banned it on Monday.
But he told NPR that he had no idea of the "tornado" he would face: hundreds of emails demanding the song be put back in rotation, more than ten times the number of requests he said he fielded asking him to yank it.
"People are unbelievably passionate about their Christmas music, it's the one thing that you can't mess with," Figula said, adding that listeners rely on it "to reminisce to the good old days when life was easy and simple."
Finding common ground on "Baby, It's Cold Outside" has been anything but simple.
A feminist defense of the lyrics points out that when they were written a woman with a reputation had to protest a man's advances, even if she actually welcomed them, and the song's figurative woman is actually expressing her sexuality in a veiled era-appropriate way.
Furthering the ambiguity, KOSI in Denver has done an about-face, first banning the song on Monday, then opening up a poll to put the decision to listeners. The results were unequivocal: the vast majority of the 15,000 respondents demanded the song's return, the station said.
"While we are sensitive to those who may be upset by some of the lyrics, the majority of our listeners have expressed their interpretation of the song to be non-offensive," Program Director Jim Lawson said in a statement.
In San Francisco, KOIT is also now reconsidering its decision and may bring the song back, depending on the results of its own poll. Listeners have until Dec. 10 to decide.
You have to keep in mind that most "feminists" of our day, whether men or women, actually hate the female gender. In fact, they even hate themselves. Seriously, check the record.
The song in question is harmless. The product of a different age. As opposed to our own time when the degradation of women is par for the course. Thanks mostly to what's called "liberalism," an ideology that excuses and justifies pornography...and the objectification of women.
Oh, by the way, "climate change" does happen to be a figment of the liberal imagination. But that's OK, having ditched God, you guys need to believe in something.
It's Beginning to Look a lot like Christmas: And, mom and dad can hardly wait for school to start again. As a retired teacher, this is not one of my favorite lines. Yeah, mom and dad are tired of the kids, can't wait to unload their problems on the teachers.
Just my gripe.
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So in Cleveland you can assault a women. Not get charged. But Baby it’s cold outside is offensive so take it off now! Hmmm Alrighty then.
It seem like everyday I see or read or hear something I say to myself “ That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard”. And within a day or so a topic like this comes up the stupid is taken to another level. And then the snowflakes trying to defend this lunacy crank it up just one more notch.
Was just about to post the same thing. In columbass, ohiya, no "me-too" on campus over the summer (unless it was kept very very quiet) but a 74-year old song with early 1940's connotations gets people all fired up. (and, I'm sure the ohowIhate lurkers will be firing back at me very shortly)
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