I guess the fact that gun murderers get life in prison for just 3 seconds of activity is inherently unfair by that logic. His dad is totally ridiculous on this.His dad said that he is being penalized for just 20 minutes of activity.
Brock Turner on the ugly underbelly of Stanford's "party culture"
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There are lots of young people who lack consideration and manners, and it's not limited to specific geographic areas. I'd put the behavior you cited on the kid and then, maybe, his parents, not an entire state.
bwifan
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I am amazed with what my daughters tell me and am glad they are that open about today's world. I asked the high school one the other day how her boyfriend was(had been dating a few weeks) ... her answer was, we broke up... I said oh I am sorry... she said don't be, with what he wanted from me sexually I told him no way and he said he was moving on since there were plenty of other girls who would give him sex..... Was so proud of her but it's what our kids face daily. So much pressure to have sex/ do drugs etc... It's everywhere, kids in middle schools having sex party's after school at kid's houses whose parents work etc. These are in up scale neighborhoods and suburbs. It's a whole new world out there.
This is just a thought with no intent to change the subject of this thread, but where are the parents? Oh, I know, out making enough money to get that second or third Beamer. My opinion is that parents have dropped the ball in our times. To them, making money trumps parenting.
I worked on a book recently, titled Girls and Sex. It is a must for parents with daughters, and hell, even sons.
On one hand, teen pregnancies are down and there is even evidence that teens have less sex now than say in the 80s. However, it is wholly unfulfilling and surface, which is unhealthy.
On one hand, teen pregnancies are down and there is even evidence that teens have less sex now than say in the 80s. However, it is wholly unfulfilling and surface, which is unhealthy.
glad that never went on in the late 60's-70's when I was growing up.....wait...
bwifan
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wow ... you attended sex party's in 6th grade and had sex with multiple partners in one afternoon? Changed my whole opinion of you...
It's happened in all eras of history, but was it as pervasive? Look, pornography is everywhere. Kids have access to it. They "grow up" thinking that dropping their drawers and screwing is normal, even if they've just met. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think this kind of behavior is more pervasive today and accepted, though it can be totally debilitating long term for young people.
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Just stating that there are crazy situations in every state. Blaming Ohio for a kid who was convicted for raping a gal at Stanford has about the same blaming PA for Fina's love of porn. It happens everywhere all the time.
Exactly. This stuff is totally out of hand and suffocating our young people, in many cases wrecking their lives. Millions of people have pontificated about the horrors of Sandusky, and rightly so, yet we allow 12 and 13 year olds to have sex. Hell, we give them the condoms.
I remember my mom, who went to school in the 30's saying,' what you think you're generation invented sex'.
bwifan
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Not sure what to say to you having sex with 11 and 12 year old girls multiple times in 1 afternoon... Today you would be in jail. I guess to each their own.
In Russia...there is a pecking order that is unwritten.
- the infirm
- the elderly
- women
- men
But, to your story, I was born and raised several decades ago and would never think of not offering my seat or opening a door. However, I HAVE been ripped by women (I didn't even know) for opening a door for her. So its a little confusing. Heck gals can now use the men's restroom and visa versa.
are women equal or are they not? Its a little confusing these days.
Dad says this was misconstrued and he did not intend it sound sexual (getting some action). ok, i can almost buy that.
Here is what he meant (stop me if you've heard this before... oh, from about a zillion parents): my son is a good boy. In his 20 years of life he did something bad for all of 20 minutes. Kindly weigh those 20 years against one 20 minute oopsie.. when you do, judgie wudgie (can't help thinking about the 3 stooges here), you'll agree that leniency is in order.
ahhh. disorder in the court!
I'm not sure when you were raised but I know that when I was a kid, my parents and all my friends' parents were way less involved in their kids' lives than the parents I've seen nowadays and the level of involvement I have with my kids. We were on our own and fended for ourselves way more than my kids and their friends. I've coached a ton of baseball and basketball over the years and parents are even at the practices and almost never miss games. When I was a kid parents would have never shown up to a practice and most only came to games if they didn't have something in their own lives to do. There are way more helicopter parents nowadays than when I was a kid, so I don't think lack of parental involvement can be blamed.
Sadly, the type of helicoptering you describe here would be more accurately described as adults trying to vicariously relive their youths, imo. So, parenting is probably the problem.
Even if one accepts what you are saying, and I do to an extent, but not totally, one would have to say that parents are not doing a very good job teaching their kids how to behave as responsible people. And they don't behave responsibly, because they aren't expected to do so or taught to do so.
Yes. I was just telling my wife the other day how parents concern themselves with getting their kids into the "right" preschool so that they can get to Harvard or Yale one day. Yet, sex parties at 14 years old are ok with some. It's an absurdity.
The most disturbing part to me is that people opted to give "Brock" the benefit of the doubt.
He got up and ran from an unconscious, half naked woman behind a dumpster when two people happened upon him. Why would anyone believe his story? That's completely insane to me. He treated like her garbage and we're supposed to believe he isn't capable of rape?
He got up and ran from an unconscious, half naked woman behind a dumpster when two people happened upon him. Why would anyone believe his story? That's completely insane to me. He treated like her garbage and we're supposed to believe he isn't capable of rape?
There are good parents and bad parents now just like when I was a kid. I have met some absolutely stellar young people over the years. Two of the senior players on my son's college baseball team are a couple of the most respectful, well mannered people I have ever met. I've coached and dealt with high school kids who are any parent's dream. There will always be good kids and bad kids, good parents and bad parents. When we were kids, the adults were saying the same things about us (disrespectful, selfish, not concerned about the future, too obsessed with sex, etc.). Nothing has changed, just the way we talk about it and hear about is different. 30 years from now my kids will be saying the same things about the kids.
I'm going to piss off the Lax Mafia here, but rich white lacrosse bros are about the douchiest athlete subset going
It's worse than that. Too often involvement of parents in the children's education takes the tone of "why isn't my son/daughter getting the grade that he/she deserves" rather than "what can we do to help my son/daughter improve." I won't tell you, at least for now, the degree of absurdity that it reaches.
Its is a great subject that deserves tons of scrutiny:
- in the 50's, before the pill, society discourages sex due to unwanted pregnancies
- when the pill came to be, sex no longer equaled unwanted pregnancies so the door to casual sex was kicked open (probably was always tons of casual sex, as there were unwanted pregnancies, but nobody wanted to talk about it)
- complications with the advent of aids and updating laws regarding financial support for kids of unwanted pregnancies
- moving on, sex for a young guy is now no different than sex for a young gal.
- today, there is a drive to see men and women the same
- same work, same pay (which is fair until a woman wants to take several months off to have a baby and/or the guy wants the same leave rights)(obviously, I support equal pay but there are issues that need to be addressed)
- men can use whatever bathroom they want, they can just state they are gender confused or whatever.
- Title iX
- Women can have sex with minors and only get a slap on the wrist while men serve years, if not decades, in jail
- a victim can claim he/she wasn't in her right mind to give consent if he/she was drinking but the accused can't claim he/she wasn't in his/her right mind due to drinking
Media desensitizes our youth.
Growing up, it was pretty easy for my parents to filter content.
In our house, only one TV had cable and it was in the family room where everyone tended to congregate. And most of the more mature content was put on after 9PM.
Similarly, there was only one big desktop computer and that too was in the family room.
Nowadays, the dirtiest/raunchiest content can be accessed while on the toilet.
It's a brave new world out there.
Growing up, it was pretty easy for my parents to filter content.
In our house, only one TV had cable and it was in the family room where everyone tended to congregate. And most of the more mature content was put on after 9PM.
Similarly, there was only one big desktop computer and that too was in the family room.
Nowadays, the dirtiest/raunchiest content can be accessed while on the toilet.
It's a brave new world out there.
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LOL. It's super popular here in VA, and it's fun to watch the little ones playing at the school near my house (these are kids younger than 10).
Anyway, this seems like a good place to put the 2016 Lacrosse All-Name Team (the entitled yupster version of what Key and Peele do with college football):
First Team
A Shackleford Stanwick,So., Johns Hopkins
A Colton McCaffrey, So., Denver
A, Schuylor Dickerson, Sr., Lees-McRae
M Deemer Class, Sr., Duke
M IV Stucker, So., Roanoke
M Brickman House, Jr., Utica <<<< This kid's parents are a-holes.
D Sky Dupree, Fr., North Greenville
D Coy Broderick, Fr., Hanover
D Braylen Sampson, So., Bryant
G Hampton Worboys, So., Mars Hill
Second Team
A Headley VanMeter, Sr., Birmingham-Southern
A McLaren Brady, Sr., Cortland
A Bear Altemus, Jr., Princeton
M Burke Harrington III, Sr., Washington College
M Brinton Valis, So., Johns Hopkins
M Griffin Woodfinlevine, Jr., Montclair State
D Garrett Chitwood, So., Adams State
D Tripp Telesco, Sr., Lehigh
D Rowland Pettit, Sr., Duke
G Gunnar Waldt, Sr., Bryant
Third Team
A Tate Beason, Jr., Florida Tech
A Blaine Stottlar, Jr., Lees-McRae
A Robbie Betchley III, Jr., Furman
M Broderick Vitalie, Fr., Holy Cross
M Holden Rosen Grupp, So., Tufts
M Bryson Gilbert-Bono, Sr., Williams
M Carney Mahon, So., Harvard
D Rich Mix, So., Benedictine
D Coleman Walsh III, Sr., Catholic
D Maximillian Crowley, Sr., Mitchell
G Addison Sherwood, Jr., Jacksonville
Please tell me that this kid wasn't given the obvious middle name
not that long ago, that would be a pretty accurate description of those playing boy's/men's LAX. with the exception of pockets in Long Island, some other areas in NY, and a few other pockets across the country, it was pretty much a sport only played at prep schools in high school. That started to change in the 80s, and now it's the fastest growing sport in the country, in terms of participation, and has become very common at public schools in a lot of states.
if I recall correctly, you are a Haven grad. fwiw, Haven's boy LAX team were defeated on Tuesday in the PIAA boy's LAX semis by Springfield (Delco) -- not a team/school that you would define as a collection of rich white guys.
Booooo! Yup, Springfield dudes are regular dudes. I think Tom Kiefer of Cinderella fame went there. Haven has a real mix of people - wealthier people from Swarthmore and Rose Valley, solidly middle class from most of Wallingford, and working class from South Media and Garden City.
Yeah, I know the sport is growing like a weed, but I did emphasize that my target was rich lax dudes, but you could probably generalize to rich, entitled kids doing anything. Your classic Episcopal, Haverford School, Landon (in DC), etc popped collar tool.
bwifan
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It's going to be interesting to watch and see if this judge makes it much further. They are coming at him from multiple angles and pressure is really building for him to resign/use a large write candidate against him in his current re-election or state steps in and does something. Or if recall takes hold... You start getting lots of jurors walking out on him the pressure will continue to grow for him to step aside. Can't even imagine if he has kids, other children can be brutal on these types of things on his kids.
His dad said that he is being penalized for just 20 minutes of activity.
The dad needs an ass kickin as much as the kid.
Yeah, I didn't think you'd be too pleased with the outcome of the semi match.
Episcopal, Haveford, etc. do have a number of kids that fit the profile you described. At the same time, they are getting more and more aggressive about recruiting kids that don't fit that profile, but who are great LAX players (or other sports athletes). These kids are the stars of their MS teams, and at some point during their 8th grade year they seem to be approached by the prep schools, offered great packages, and then they start telling their friends they won't be joining them in HS. It drives the public HS coaches in the area crazy.
Is there a way for the prosecution to appeal the sentence? I thought they could because I think they did that here in Philly with Vincent Fumo when his pals on the bench pretty much gave him a pass.
High school coaches in every sport, public or private, recruit. They get mad at the private schools because they tend to be able to get the players they want.
