Brock Turner on the ugly underbelly of Stanford's "party culture"
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Brock Turner and his father are both clowns. Not willing to take any personal responsibility, and always blaming others.
So the party culture he picked up told him to sexually assault an unconscious women behind a dumpster?? Give me a break.
Hope he enjoys his time in jail. It should have been for much, much longer.
So the party culture he picked up told him to sexually assault an unconscious women behind a dumpster?? Give me a break.
Hope he enjoys his time in jail. It should have been for much, much longer.
His dad said that he is being penalized for just 20 minutes of activity. 
Twenty minutes of "action," was the actual word used.His dad said that he is being penalized for just 20 minutes of activity.
Could be out by Sept with good behavior, what a f'in joke.
Here is the statement that the victim read at the sentencing...she sounds like an amazing person...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbak...read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.jgl40gVy2#.dx7wodMqX
She confronts everything with truth, strength, even humor, and rage.
"My sister picked me up, face wet from tears and contorted in anguish. Instinctively and immediately, I wanted to take away her pain. I smiled at her, I told her to look at me, I’m right here, I’m okay, everything’s okay, I’m right here. My hair is washed and clean, they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down, and look at me. Look at these funny new sweatpants and sweatshirt, I look like a P.E. teacher, let’s go home, let’s eat something.
One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots...... In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.
It’s like if you were to read an article where a car was hit, and found dented, in a ditch. But maybe the car enjoyed being hit. Maybe the other car didn’t mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. Cars get in accidents all the time, people aren’t always paying attention, can we really say who’s at fault.
And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. She was found breathing, unresponsive with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach curled in fetal position. By the way, he’s really good at swimming. Throw in my mile time if that’s what we’re doing. I’m good at cooking, put that in there, I think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that’ve happened."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbak...read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.jgl40gVy2#.dx7wodMqX
She confronts everything with truth, strength, even humor, and rage.
"My sister picked me up, face wet from tears and contorted in anguish. Instinctively and immediately, I wanted to take away her pain. I smiled at her, I told her to look at me, I’m right here, I’m okay, everything’s okay, I’m right here. My hair is washed and clean, they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down, and look at me. Look at these funny new sweatpants and sweatshirt, I look like a P.E. teacher, let’s go home, let’s eat something.
One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots...... In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.
It’s like if you were to read an article where a car was hit, and found dented, in a ditch. But maybe the car enjoyed being hit. Maybe the other car didn’t mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. Cars get in accidents all the time, people aren’t always paying attention, can we really say who’s at fault.
And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. She was found breathing, unresponsive with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach curled in fetal position. By the way, he’s really good at swimming. Throw in my mile time if that’s what we’re doing. I’m good at cooking, put that in there, I think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that’ve happened."
He and his family are from Dayton, Ohio. In his written statement to the judge, he said he "never really" got into drugs or drinking in his hometown, though his phone texting history showed him setting up drug deals all the time. Prosecutors said they gave that information to the judge who never acknowledged it.
Compare this to the Vandy football player who will (justifiably) do 15-25 in real, state prison. Nah, white male privilege is just a myth....
He deserves the full punishment allowed under the law. He attacked a totally defenseless woman in the most vile manner.
His father ... it is his son. Take that into consideration. I am sure (or hope) that family feels great shame of their son's behavior and are questioning everything about who they are and how they raised him. They also are trying to save his life as best they can.
Another thing this reinforces for me, constantly teach your children of the dangers of alcohol and the importance of always having your senses about you. Do not put yourself in a position where anyone can take advantage of and hurt you.
His father ... it is his son. Take that into consideration. I am sure (or hope) that family feels great shame of their son's behavior and are questioning everything about who they are and how they raised him. They also are trying to save his life as best they can.
Another thing this reinforces for me, constantly teach your children of the dangers of alcohol and the importance of always having your senses about you. Do not put yourself in a position where anyone can take advantage of and hurt you.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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Judge is a Stanford alum and former captain of the lacrosse team, right?
If you grow a few marijuana plants in your basement, your house will be raided and you'll likely get at least a couple years in jail. If you rape an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and claim you were somehow the victim, you'll get six months in jail. I'm looking for a good explanation of that. He tried to run away from the scene which proves he knew he was doing something wrong. If it wasn't for the two grad students who detained him until the police arrived, he probably would have gotten away with it.
No drinking or drugs in Dayton Ohio?!?! The only thing to do in Dayton is drinking or drugs.
It is the unfortunate state of this country right now that places like Dayton have rampant drug problems.
It is the unfortunate state of this country right now that places like Dayton have rampant drug problems.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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The use of the word "action" seemed odd to me but I didn't take it to mean the rapist was getting some action. The strangest part of the statement was the "20 minutes" part. Apparently dad thinks if a rapist commits the crime quickly it's somehow a mitigating factor. What if it only lasted ten minutes? Would he have gotten three months in jail instead?
It only takes a matter of seconds to pick up a gun an murder someone. According to that guy a murderer shouldn't be treated too harshly for a mere five seconds of action. I understand him speaking on behalf of his son but the total lack of empathy for the victim amazes me.
I hope so too- but based on the father's statements, there is no evidence that they feel that way.
bwifan
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Judge is running for re-election unopposed currently... Saw a state rep on TV last night and some state rep's are demanding this judge resign immediately. Also state rep said they are looking for a person as a write in candidate if the judge doesn't resign. If I was in that girls family they would of had to pull me off that a-hole in court. He and his father as pompous jerks. Whining about having to register for the rest of his life as a sex offender for "20 minutes of action..." Kid/father/judge all deserve a code red....
The family's lack of remorse and the light sentence ironically have thrown much more light on the situation. It was a case that would have only been known around Stanford and the Dayton area. They turned it into a national case with their actions. That will have consequences for Brock.
Don't forget, these people are from Ohio. Not the best people there.
That being said, my wife were talking about this yesterday and I think he would have been way better off with at least 5 years in jail.
Nobody will touch him for the rest of his life. Jobs, ladies, friends etc. Had there been a stiffer penalty, it would have been 5 years and out.
Now it is going to haunt him forever.
That being said, my wife were talking about this yesterday and I think he would have been way better off with at least 5 years in jail.
Nobody will touch him for the rest of his life. Jobs, ladies, friends etc. Had there been a stiffer penalty, it would have been 5 years and out.
Now it is going to haunt him forever.
I can say in complete honesty- not proudly either, nor with Internet tough-guy muscles- that if that was my daughter that happened to, the kid would basically have been to six more months of life. I can only imagine what a dark place that would send me to if that was one of my daughters that happened to. I would track him down and would be in jail myself shortly afterwards.
99% of crimes are done in 20 minutes.His dad said that he is being penalized for just 20 minutes of activity.
I lived in Ohio for 7 years. I spoke to my wife about this yesterday. And maybe I'm going to get too deep into the weeds with this. But there really seemed to us to be a difference in the way that women are treated there. I won't get into the root causes and get the board into an uproar. But it just seemed like women were more second class citizens. We noticed it with the way boys treated our daughters. Noticed it with the way husbands treated their wives.
This is just a small anecdote, but....I've never seen so many women who cut the grass in their yard. Growing up, that was always seen as a "guy job", right? In that area, the guy would be inside drinking beer and watching TV while the wife was outside cutting the grass. Like a mule. I don't know. Just one example, but it rubbed me the wrong way.
Just my opinion.....
This is an interesting point. I notice this in my new location as well. I don't know about Ohio, but NY to Jax is a big step in terms of respect for women. Even women who are considerably more successful are sort of laughed off.
I talk about it all the time here.
LdN
How about we take Brock and daddy into the prison and let them each receive 20 minutes of action with Bubba in the shower and let them see how it feels
Wow. I've lived in both PA and Ohio. I can tell you that there is no difference. Zero. We can talk about Penn State and Ohio State all you want. Browns/Steelers, etc. Pens/Cavs. Whatever.
If this is your point, you are quite bigoted. I travel all over the nation, spend time on the west coast, deep south and NE as well as here in the midwest. There are subtle differences, but there is very little difference overall.
We just talked about women getting light sentences for raping 13 year old boys, yet guys will spend double digits rotting in jail. And, there were Penn Staters defending the "right" of a woman, a kid's teacher, to have sex with a 13 year old boy.
And your position is that people in PA are somehow better than those in OH? Get off your high horse. Its ridiculous and make you look foolish. Especially after the Sandusky incident and the massive corruption in your state.
More specifically, he grew up in Oakwood, Ohio: which is basically Dayton's richest and most elite suburb.
Kid was very very privileged growing up. "Drinking and doing drugs" is by no means all he had available to him.
This may be one of the dumber statements I've ever read here.
Of all 50 states, the one that is most like Ohio is ...... Pennsylvania. The one that is most like Pennsylvania ..... is Ohio.
You sound like some elitist Buckeye fans who are delusional enough to think that Ohio residents are "better" than Penn State fans --- that Penn State's mess is somehow a result of a "Pennsylvania culture" that does not exist in Ohio.
Obliviax shredded you elsewhere in this thread, and he absolutely nailed it.
I lived in Cincy and worked in Dayton for 7 years. That southern Ohio area, south of Columbus, has more in common with neighboring Kentucky and West Virginia than it does with PA. Many talk with a southern slang. Culturally, much more "southern" than PA. Pittsburgh is the closest big PA city, and it was nothing like living there.
Correct about being a Stanford alum. He did play LAX at Stanford, as well. (He may have been captain -- I'm not certain of that.) Just a clarification that men's LAX is a club sport at Stanford.
Sure south-central Ohio and south-east Ohio (Chillicothe, Portsmouth, Marietta, Athens) are different than south-west Ohio (Dayton/Cincinnati).
South-Central Ohio and South-east Ohio still do have their "Pennsylvania dopplegangers." Greene, Washington, Fayette, Cambria and Somerset counties in PA.
There are no perfect comparisons. But I've visited all 50, and I do think the most similar state to Ohio on the whole is Pennsylvania.
Too easy, but a good reply. SMH.
And, perhaps the reason we're hearing about this is because Stanford people seemingly didn't pressure the woman to back off. If that's the case, then that's to Stanford's credit. This kind of shit happens everywhere, every weekend, it's not about privileged Ohio kids messing around at Stanford.
One thing that really disturbs me: the accessibility of hard-core porn to anyone who has an I-phone. This is not healthy for teenagers and I wonder if this somehow relates to the seeming spike in incidents such as what we're discussing here.
And, perhaps the reason we're hearing about this is because Stanford people seemingly didn't pressure the woman to back off. If that's the case, then that's to Stanford's credit. This kind of shit happens everywhere, every weekend, it's not about privileged Ohio kids messing around at Stanford.
One thing that really disturbs me: the accessibility of hard-core porn to anyone who has an I-phone. This is not healthy for teenagers and I wonder if this somehow relates to the seeming spike in incidents such as what we're discussing here.[/QUOTE]
Right.....this issue with this specific kid has nothing to do with the notion he's from Ohio. It is anecdotal and symbolic of the hyper sexuality of teen agers with unlimited access to booze, drugs and people of the opposite sex. Its a mess at Stanford....as it is at Baylor, Penn State, Ohio State and Bob Jones University. Society has set up all the rules and now wonder why kids get hyper sexual in college!!! Frankly, things haven't changed all that much since i was in school. its also nature. Ever observe rut season and what Bucks will do when a doe in heat is nearby? Imagine that buck after a six pack of beer and a couple of doobies.
The question is, what do we do about it? I know one thing we shouldn't do; blame it on Ohio. Because, given porn gate, kathleen kane, and all of the corruption in PA it looks pretty stupid.
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Another example that comes to mind....one example, but illustrative....
We took one of our daughter's boyfriends with us to another daughter's soccer game. We only had a couple of folding chairs with us, not enough for everyone. The boyfriend promptly sat in the chair, leaving my daughter to sit on the ground. And he stayed there. Saw nothing unusual about it.
Again, just one example. But it is the mindset that I saw time and time again.
100% concur that Brock Turner's actions should not be blamed on Ohio.
On the flip side, porngate, Kathleen Kane, and corruption in PA also had no bearing on his actions, so I fail to see how that statement by you has any relevance in the discussion.
the saying is, 'in the house, around the house, or can be seen from the house, its women's work.'
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