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HUH? why now? why without a plea deal?
HUH? why now? why without a plea deal?
they could have done this 4 yrs ago, I guess is my point.They were convinced they wouldn't get a fair trial due to a tainted jury pool and a corrupt legal system?
they could have done this 4 yrs ago, I guess is my point.
they could have done this 4 yrs ago, I guess is my point.
Maybe this is why? From the article:
"Curley and Schultz entered their pleas in morning proceedings before Senior Judge John Boccabella. The agreement sets up the possibility that they will testify for the prosecution at next week's scheduled trial of the only remaining defendant in the case, former Penn State president Graham Spanier."
HUH? why now? why without a plea deal?
Maybe this is why? From the article:
"Curley and Schultz entered their pleas in morning proceedings before Senior Judge John Boccabella. The agreement sets up the possibility that they will testify for the prosecution at next week's scheduled trial of the only remaining defendant in the case, former Penn State president Graham Spanier."
Not a lawyer, but I would have to assume the state had them and they knew it. You don't plead guilty if you know the state cannot prove their case. This all just hit the fan, so maybe we'll just have to see what happens next though.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but usually you have to have some leverage to get something out of the plea deal. They also waited a long time to strike up this deal and what was on the table a few years back maybe left the table? Again, I don't know, but a week before an now this. Apparently the state had a bit more than the talking heads here thought I imagine, myself included.Why would they plea with no plea agreement? They're no better off than they'd have been going to trial. Unless there really is some huge dirt on Spanier.
But it still all comes back to a misdemeanor in a case where there is no victim and there's a shaky at best witness who testified he never witnessed anything.
No, they plead guilty to one count of Endangering the Welfare of a Child. You are thinking of the failure to report charges.They plead guilty to charges that don't apply to them or weren't even law at the time?
It's fine to say how bad the courts are, but you don't plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit if you don't think the state has the goods on you. I know this was discussed non stop for years on here, but it's also entirely possible there were some things the state had on them that maybe didn't get out to everyone. I'm not stating this as fact either as I don't know, but I find it odd that your proclaim innocence all along and then throw in the towel 2 seconds before the fight. Very odd indeed.In a normal judicial system I would agree with you, but PA isn't a normal judicial system. It is more like a kangaroo court. The shenanigans (see baldwin, ex post facto, and statue of limitations) the state was allowed to get away with during the whole process of charging CSS would send shivers down any defense attorney's back.
Then you have a high court quash a consolidated conspiracy charge only to have a lower judge reinstate one of the charges. When the eff has that ever happened?
In a normal judicial system I would agree with you, but PA isn't a normal judicial system. It is more like a kangaroo court. The shenanigans (see baldwin, ex post facto, and statue of limitations) the state was allowed to get away with during the whole process of charging CSS would send shivers down any defense attorney's back.
Then you have a high court quash a consolidated conspiracy charge only to have a lower judge reinstate one of the charges. When the eff has that ever happened?
In a normal judicial system I would agree with you, but PA isn't a normal judicial system. It is more like a kangaroo court. The shenanigans (see baldwin, ex post facto, and statue of limitations) the state was allowed to get away with during the whole process of charging CSS would send shivers down any defense attorney's back.
Then you have a high court quash a consolidated conspiracy charge only to have a lower judge reinstate one of the charges. When the eff has that ever happened?
How many thousands of angry posts have been placed on this board since November 2011 claiming that the University and its leadership had no culpability in Sandusky's abuses? I still need to be convinced of a deliberate conspiracy of silence, but was the University negligent? Unfortunately, hell yes.
You make solid points, but this is tinfoil hat land, where all victims are liars and Ziggy is the truth....It's fine to say how bad the courts are, but you don't plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit if you don't think the state has the goods on you. I know this was discussed non stop for years on here, but it's also entirely possible there were some things the state had on them that maybe didn't get out to everyone. I'm not stating this as fact either as I don't know, but I find it odd that your proclaim innocence all along and then throw in the towel 2 seconds before the fight. Very odd indeed.
Ahhhh the conspiracy excuse already....