Bob Shoop owes PSU $891,856

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  1. ChiTownLion

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    Penn State sues ex-defensive coordinator Bob Shoop, claims he owes $891,856 for leaving
    July 3, 2017 at 9:34 PM
    BY JOHN BEAUGE

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    WILLIAMSPORT -- Penn State is seeking almost $900,000 from former defensive coordinator Bob Shoop, and the university doesn't expect him to pay up, according to court documents obtained by PennLive.

    Shoop left the Nittany Lions in January 2016 to become the defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Vols.

    A clause in his contract stated if Shoop resigned before his contract expired on Feb. 15, 2018, he had to pay Penn State liquidated damages of 50 percent "of his base pay" for the remainder of his contract, according to the court documents. The contract stated Shoop wouldn't have to pay PSU back, if he became the head coach at another university within one year of the date of his resignation.

    The university claims that, with over two years remaining on his contract when Shoop resigned, he owes $891,856, the court records state.

    According to the documents, Penn State requested, in writing, that Shoop make the payment required under the contract. The university, in the lawsuit, claims Shoop has not made any payment, and, through counsel, has indicated a refusal to make such a payment.

    Penn State filed the breach of contract suit in Centre County court in early June, but Monday had it transferred to U.S. Middle District Court.

    According to the contract that was included in the court documents, Shoop received an additional $150,000 on Feb. 15, 2015, and would have gotten similar amounts if still at Penn State on the same dates in 2016 and 2017. He also had the use of a car and cell phone, the contract stated.

    Shoop's memorandum of understanding with Tennessee, also among the court documents, lists his base pay as $245,000 and supplemental pay of $905,000. It also states that Shoop "is solely responsible for satisfying any buyout or liquidation damages provision(s) between Coach and Pennsylvania State University and/or other prior institutions."

    Vols athletic director David Hart said in January 2016 that Shoop's decision to keep Tennessee out of the buyout was "a very, very loud statement" about how bad he wanted to be a part of UT's program.

    "He was willing to handle that," Hart told GoVols247. "and we were able to move forward then in a very rapid fashion to try to get something, which we were able to do."

    Shoop's incentives at UT -- which have a cap of $500,000 -- are 8.33 percent if the Vols are in a bowl game, 12 percent if they're in a New Year's "Six" game, 16 percent if they're in the college playoff, and 4 percent each if they win SEC or college football championships.

    The Lions' defense under Shoop was ranked No. 2 in the country in 2014 and No. 14 in 2015. Co-defensive coordinator Brent Pry replaced Shoop.

    http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/07/penn_state_sues_ex-defensive_c.html
     
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  2. interrobang

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    So he just thought PSU would forgive his debt?
     
  3. NittPicker

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    Apparently the PSU administration is only willing to take a stand on an issue if it involves a current or former coach. With everything else they open up the checkbook.
     
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    What do they mean 'doesn't expect him to pay up?' Willingly? Meaning they'll sue and if he refuses they'll do nothing? Weird choice of words or am I missing something?
     
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    PSU is, fiscally-speaking, a very strange University. They threw $$$$$ at "questionable Sandusky claimants", but have now decided to sue someone over a fractional amount of just one of those payouts?

    I guess Old Sandy broke out her HP calculator and determined that $900,000, after legal fees, represented the equivalent proceeds of about 450 "bake sales".:rolleyes:
     
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    "The contract stated Shoop wouldn't have to pay PSU back, if he became the head coach at another university within one year of the date of his resignation."

    Hmm. Sounds like he thought UT was his stepping stone for a head coaching position within a year.
     
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    They are suing now because he refused to pay when requested.
     
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    Okay - makes sense. I read the chronology as they're suing him and don't expect him to pay up. Long day...
     
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    Very bad look for Shoop and UT IMO. Granted it is Shoop's responsibility but his refusal to pay certainly gives an appearance that UT is okay with that.
     
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    Shoop's comprehension skills may be one of the reasons he's not a head coach.
     
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    That or she figured out how many panini presses she could buy with the proceeds.
     
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    Back when he was flirting with Tennessee, the UT boards kept mentioning Shoop's $900,000 buyout as the sticking point. They kept saying it was a done deal once that was taken care of. Everyone kind of assumed Tennessee would pick up the tab for that. Woops.
     
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    sandy barbour has just formed the Executive Committee for Repayment by Bob Shoop, consisting of 14 members, each with decades of experience in university administration. When asked, barbour said she expected to retain the Committee with all 14 members after the Shoop matter is resolved.
     
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    I doubt it's the BOT that decided to sue Shoop
     
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    No, it seems as if he thought PSU may be the stepping stone to a head coaching job and did not want his contract to prevent that.

    LdN
     
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    That may be so but I was referring to the administration in general. The BoT likely had nothing to do with firing Kaidanov over a roll of tape either.
     
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    Lololol, Bob Shoop.

    Most overrated coordinator I've seen in some time. Lol at Tennessee for another fine coaching decision.
     
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    Probably figured the way PSU was throwing money away they weren't going chase him down for payment....
     
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    If the suit is in front of a PA judge and jury, I fully anticipate they find PSU owes Shoop $12 million.
     
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    PMA's got this.
     
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    Cheap shot
     
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    Apparently Franklin and Stoops stopped doing lunch together in the off season
     
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    It's a contract and he signed it. Is ignoring the terms of an employment contract suddenly OK ? I don't see how Shoop can just decide not to pay it back, and if he doesn't, he'll be out the same amount plus lawyer's fees.
     
  27. lionlurker

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    And let's be clear: based on all evidence, he is completely correct.

    I hope Shoop doesn't pay them a dime. They'll just take it and give it to another one of their pals.
     
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    Dude, you left for a better job (lol) and now the decision you made is screwing you. If this agreement is legit...make him pay every cent. Guy deserves it thinking Tennessee was a better gig.
     
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    You're hoping won't do Shoop a damn bit of good. He's screwed.
     
  30. The Song Remains the Same

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    Think how many AAD's Sandy could hire with that windfall...
     
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    My question is, why wasn't the buy out on the front end?
     
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    There were 2 apparent triggers for the repayment, one of which was the elapse of a year (the other was not being a head coach).
     
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    Is this common? Not that I follow too closely, but I haven't heard of this happening recently.
     
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    Haven't heard of what happening recently?
     
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    Lawsuits between ex coaches and Universities. I thought the buy out happens when the coach decides to leave and either he gives the money back or the place he's going to pays up.

    Or was the language written this way because of the sanctions?
     
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    This is quite a strange contract provision and speaks to a faulty agent? It's common for buyout clauses for PARALLEL positions, such as HC to HC, DC to DC, OC to OC, etc. I really would like to see both this contract and others to see if this has ever been done. BTW, who was at the helm when this contract was made???? I would not be surprised if it were Uncle Fester... and I'm pretty sure I'm right about that part.
     
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    Probably don't hear about lawsuits too often because both sides in a contract usually fulfill their requirements under the contract. Only when one side breaks the terms do you see a news story. Shoop screwed up here as the buyout was well-known even to the people at Tennessee, so it's hard for Shoop to claim ignorance.

    Doubt it was written this way because of the sanctions. The sanctions were a known at the time of the contract, and by 2016 they were gone.
     
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    However, I would think indirectly-they did. Did they not lay that $60M "donation" all on the AD (for no reason) as an "interdepartmental loan" WITH interest?
     
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    This buyout provision was all discussed - in detail - at the time (back when Shoop was leaving)
    And now Shoop's day of reckoning has come and gone....... time for him to pay the piper.

    Not sure why this buyout issue is being received by PSU fans as some "new news".
     
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