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NCAA Decision

August 11, 2021

Dear Baylor Family:

Since our University was first chartered in 1845, we have strived in every possible way to stay true to our Christian mission and to live by our core convictions, including a commitment to support, encourage and expect excellence in all undertakings. Excellence is our expectation at Baylor in all aspects of our University, yet excellence must also come with virtue and integrity.

Today, Baylor University received the NCAA Committee on Infractions’ Public Infractions Decision. This is the final step in a more than five-year, cooperative enforcement process that began in 2016. The Committee on Infractions hearing panel could not conclude that Baylor violated NCAA rules when some employees failed to report allegations of and address sexual and interpersonal violence committed on our campus. As part of the NCAA process, the University acknowledged its significant and moral failings related to sexual and interpersonal violence, and we sincerely regret the actions of a few individuals caused harm to so many. We must remember that the prospect of NCAA penalties pales in comparison to the suffering of the survivors of such horrific assaults.

The NCAA committee did find the University had violated NCAA rules related to impermissible benefits for a student-athlete, the use of a student-host group as impermissible recruiters of student-athletes, and the failure of a former assistant director of football operations to participate in the NCAA investigation process. The NCAA committee classified the case as Level II-standard for the school and Level I-standard for the former assistant director of football operations.

The committee used the Division I membership-approved infractions penalty guidelines to prescribe the following measures:

  • Four years of probation.
  • A $5,000 fine.
  • A reduction to 30 football official visits during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A three-week ban on unofficial visits in football during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A two-week ban on football recruiting communication during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A reduction of football evaluation days by three during fall 2021 and by 10 during spring 2022.
  • A five-year show-cause order for the former assistant director of football operations. During that period, any NCAA member school employing him must restrict him from any athletically related duties unless it shows cause why the restrictions should not apply.
  • A vacation of all records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible in the 2011 season. The University must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 14 days of the public release of the decision.
The University agrees with the enforcement staff and the Committee on Infractions that violations did occur, and we take full responsibility. Our internal and external legal teams will review the full report and the University will decide on its next steps, if any. A detailed timeline of Baylor’s NCAA process since 2016 can be found at www.baylor.edu/NCAA/timeline.

Baylor is a proud member of the NCAA and of the Big 12 Conference and is committed to sportsmanship, integrity and following the rules. A key aspect of our current University strategic plan is to provide a transformational education for our students: “At Baylor, learning is more than just what happens in the classroom.” That same principle applies to our growth as a University, as we must learn from our mistakes. While the NCAA process found violations that occurred between 2011 and 2016, we can confidently say Baylor is a much different University today than it was three, five and certainly 10 years ago. We appreciate the NCAA committee’s recognition of the University’s swift and wide-ranging response several years ago, which demonstrated Baylor’s dedication to functioning with integrity, fostering a culture of compliance, and ensuring a commitment to institutional control. We made key personnel transitions in a variety of roles across campus, not solely in Athletics. We implemented a new culture in Athletics and campuswide. We identified and implemented best practices in Title IX policies and procedures. And we demand an ongoing adherence to ethics and accountability from each and every employee.

While today is an important reminder for our University, we are confident in a bright future for Baylor based on integrity and excellence.

Sincerely,

Linda A. Livingstone, Ph.D.
President

Mack B. Rhoades, IV
Vice President and Director of Athletics


NCAA President Mark Emmert's Statement on Baylor

August 11, 2021
"The conduct by some former Baylor administrators, coaches, and student-athletes described in today's Committee on Infractions decision is unacceptable and runs counter to the values of the NCAA. Schools have taken many steps to address sexual violence on campus, but as the COI points out, the authority of the NCAA in this area is very limited today. This is a clear demonstration of why the Association needs transformational change to create alignment between authority and responsibility to address the most critical issues in college sports. The newly formed Constitution Committee is charged to effectuate this change and the membership should vote to do so at our national convention in January."
 
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jesus...this is so maddening and disgusting. the ncaa cannot replace centuries and libraries full of criminal law. They've totally ****ed up everything. NFL is on the same path. As a PSU fan that followed the JS years with great interest, this is the worst case of hypocrisy ever. People, literally, were ruined. A great university soiled forever.

Screw them all.

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Yes. Yes they did.

Yes they did - yet Erickson still made the correct decision.

Unfortunately, various PSU people screwed up and the ABSOLUTE MOB that we had to face (which makes the PSU case unique from Baylor and others such) at that given point in time meant that we simply had to capitulate.

It is what it is.
 
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Yes they did - yet Erickson still made the correct decision.

Unfortunately, various PSU people screwed up and the ABSOLUTE MOB that we had to face (which makes the PSU case unique from Baylor and others such) at that given point in time meant that we simply had to capitulate.

It is what it is.

Once again, you’re a f*cking idiot. For the sake of others around you, I sincerely hope you aren’t in charge of anything. Asshole.
 

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More of the same BS spewing from the NCAA. Basically the lesson for any athletic department is to do whatever you want, just make sure you sprinkle in some of the same treatment for non-athletes and the NCAA can't touch you. Funny how that didn't stop them at PSU where Sandusky wasn't even employed by the athletic department and the victims weren't even associated with PSU. PSU is going to be the final instance of the NCAA issuing a harsh punishment.
 

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Once again, you’re a f*cking idiot. For the sake of others around you, I sincerely hope you aren’t in charge of anything. Asshole.

You have made posts like this for 109 consecutive months. What "victories" do you have to point to during those 109 months?

Paterno statue back up? Nope.

Paterno's reputation back in tact? Nope.

Erickson tarred and feathered and put in jail? Nope.

The NCAA giving PSU $60MM back? Nope.

Jay Paterno winning his lawsuit against PSU as opposed to having it dismissed out of hand? Nope.

Louis Freeh forced to admit your version of the truth? Nope.

Wick Sollers releasing his indisputable evidence as regards Paterno not knowing abut 1998 in 2002? Nope.

Wick Sollers' bank account becoming fatter, partially on the backs of Paterno acolytes? Well, that one HAS happened.

The record of the last 109 months is what it is.
 
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CentexLion

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NCAA Decision

August 11, 2021

Dear Baylor Family:

Since our University was first chartered in 1845, we have strived in every possible way to stay true to our Christian mission and to live by our core convictions, including a commitment to support, encourage and expect excellence in all undertakings. Excellence is our expectation at Baylor in all aspects of our University, yet excellence must also come with virtue and integrity.

Today, Baylor University received the NCAA Committee on Infractions’ Public Infractions Decision. This is the final step in a more than five-year, cooperative enforcement process that began in 2016. The Committee on Infractions hearing panel could not conclude that Baylor violated NCAA rules when some employees failed to report allegations of and address sexual and interpersonal violence committed on our campus. As part of the NCAA process, the University acknowledged its significant and moral failings related to sexual and interpersonal violence, and we sincerely regret the actions of a few individuals caused harm to so many. We must remember that the prospect of NCAA penalties pales in comparison to the suffering of the survivors of such horrific assaults.

The NCAA committee did find the University had violated NCAA rules related to impermissible benefits for a student-athlete, the use of a student-host group as impermissible recruiters of student-athletes, and the failure of a former assistant director of football operations to participate in the NCAA investigation process. The NCAA committee classified the case as Level II-standard for the school and Level I-standard for the former assistant director of football operations.

The committee used the Division I membership-approved infractions penalty guidelines to prescribe the following measures:

  • Four years of probation.
  • A $5,000 fine.
  • A reduction to 30 football official visits during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A three-week ban on unofficial visits in football during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A two-week ban on football recruiting communication during the 2021-22 academic year.
  • A reduction of football evaluation days by three during fall 2021 and by 10 during spring 2022.
  • A five-year show-cause order for the former assistant director of football operations. During that period, any NCAA member school employing him must restrict him from any athletically related duties unless it shows cause why the restrictions should not apply.
  • A vacation of all records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible in the 2011 season. The University must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 14 days of the public release of the decision.
The University agrees with the enforcement staff and the Committee on Infractions that violations did occur, and we take full responsibility. Our internal and external legal teams will review the full report and the University will decide on its next steps, if any. A detailed timeline of Baylor’s NCAA process since 2016 can be found at www.baylor.edu/NCAA/timeline.

Baylor is a proud member of the NCAA and of the Big 12 Conference and is committed to sportsmanship, integrity and following the rules. A key aspect of our current University strategic plan is to provide a transformational education for our students: “At Baylor, learning is more than just what happens in the classroom.” That same principle applies to our growth as a University, as we must learn from our mistakes. While the NCAA process found violations that occurred between 2011 and 2016, we can confidently say Baylor is a much different University today than it was three, five and certainly 10 years ago. We appreciate the NCAA committee’s recognition of the University’s swift and wide-ranging response several years ago, which demonstrated Baylor’s dedication to functioning with integrity, fostering a culture of compliance, and ensuring a commitment to institutional control. We made key personnel transitions in a variety of roles across campus, not solely in Athletics. We implemented a new culture in Athletics and campuswide. We identified and implemented best practices in Title IX policies and procedures. And we demand an ongoing adherence to ethics and accountability from each and every employee.

While today is an important reminder for our University, we are confident in a bright future for Baylor based on integrity and excellence.

Sincerely,

Linda A. Livingstone, Ph.D.
President

Mack B. Rhoades, IV
Vice President and Director of Athletics


NCAA President Mark Emmert's Statement on Baylor

August 11, 2021
"The conduct by some former Baylor administrators, coaches, and student-athletes described in today's Committee on Infractions decision is unacceptable and runs counter to the values of the NCAA. Schools have taken many steps to address sexual violence on campus, but as the COI points out, the authority of the NCAA in this area is very limited today. This is a clear demonstration of why the Association needs transformational change to create alignment between authority and responsibility to address the most critical issues in college sports. The newly formed Constitution Committee is charged to effectuate this change and the membership should vote to do so at our national convention in January."
Burn it all to the ground at Baylor. The FBI/ATF knows how to find Waco and it and has the experience.
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You have made posts like this for 109 consecutive months. What "victories" do you have to point to during those 109 months?

Paterno statue back up? Nope.

Paterno's reputation back in tact? Nope.

Erickson tarred and feathered and put in jail? Nope.

The NCAA giving PSU $60MM back? Nope.

Jay Paterno winning his lawsuit against PSU as opposed to having it dismissed out of hand? Nope.

Louis Freeh forced to admit your version of the truth? Nope.

Wick Sollers releasing his indisputable evidence as regards Paterno not knowing abut 1998 in 2002? Nope.

Wick Sollers' bank account becoming fatter, partially on the backs of Paterno acolytes? Well, that one HAS happened.

The record of the last 109 months is what it is.

Stars must be aligning. Yesterday we had the return of Leo, today it's Willie Buttfvck.
 
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colt21

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Yes they did - yet Erickson still made the correct decision.

Unfortunately, various PSU people screwed up and the ABSOLUTE MOB that we had to face (which makes the PSU case unique from Baylor and others such) at that given point in time meant that we simply had to capitulate.

It is what it is.
Really ??!!

You’re still out there - and you haven’t leaned nuttin’ yet - would probably best best to stay quiet 🤫
 

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You have made posts like this for 109 consecutive months. What "victories" do you have to point to during those 109 months?

Paterno statue back up? Nope.

Paterno's reputation back in tact? Nope.

Erickson tarred and feathered and put in jail? Nope.

The NCAA giving PSU $60MM back? Nope.

Jay Paterno winning his lawsuit against PSU as opposed to having it dismissed out of hand? Nope.

Louis Freeh forced to admit your version of the truth? Nope.

Wick Sollers releasing his indisputable evidence as regards Paterno not knowing abut 1998 in 2002? Nope.

Wick Sollers' bank account becoming fatter, partially on the backs of Paterno acolytes? Well, that one HAS happened.

The record of the last 109 months is what it is.

You forgot the most important one: kids are still getting ****ed over because people like you and Lou Anna Simons were more interested in blaming the innocent than actually caring about the kids and learning what should have been done. So you got that going for you.
 

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Yes they did - yet Erickson still made the correct decision.

Unfortunately, various PSU people screwed up and the ABSOLUTE MOB that we had to face (which makes the PSU case unique from Baylor and others such) at that given point in time meant that we simply had to capitulate.

It is what it is.
Nope. Not even close
 
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You forgot the most important one: kids are still getting ****ed over because people like you and Lou Anna Simons were more interested in blaming the innocent than actually caring about the kids and learning what should have been done. So you got that going for you.

Fair enough. If you want to hold me culpable for sexual abuse at MSU & Baylor & wherever else, fine, I don't care.

This remains ----- you and the other Paterno Loyalists think you're all correct as regards Paterno's role in the Sandusky saga, but none of you have changed the narrative in any real way in the last 109 months.

109 months is a long time for showing basically zero progress.
 
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Meanwhile osu laughs while their boot is in our face.

OSU being currently better than us has nothing to do with the NCAA sanctions. It's not like we had great success against them in the Paterno/B1G era either.

It's also not OSU or the NCAA's fault we blew massive opportunities in 2017 & 2018.

2017 & 2018 were both us taking our own boot and kicking our own self in our own face with own said boot.

It's embarrassing that we have never beaten OSU in back-to-back years in the B1G era. But that is true.
 
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But tomorrow it won't be the return of the Paterno statue.

So it goes. It's generally the same narrative today as in 2012.
The only poster I see who has a statue obsession is you. And no, Ericson didn't make the right decision. There's a reason why many posters call him Rodless Ericson. Recent history has shown if a university administration stands up the the NCAA, nothing will happen. It's called being an advocate for your place of employment. Instead, Ericson showed his spinelessness and caved to the public outrage, facts and fairness be damned.
 

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Fair enough. If you want to hold me culpable for sexual abuse at MSU & Baylor & wherever else, fine, I don't care.

This remains ----- you and the other Paterno Loyalists think you're all correct as regards Paterno's role in the Sandusky saga, but none of you have changed the narrative in any real way in the last 109 months.

109 months is a long time for showing basically zero progress.
109 months and you’re still a flaming asshole. So basically zero progress.
 
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Fair enough. If you want to hold me culpable for sexual abuse at MSU & Baylor & wherever else, fine, I don't care.

This remains ----- you and the other Paterno Loyalists think you're all correct as regards Paterno's role in the Sandusky saga, but none of you have changed the narrative in any real way in the last 109 months.

109 months is a long time for showing basically zero progress.
The “narrative is, was and always will be bullish!t” !!

if you focus 🧘 on the false narrative as your truth I feel sad for you - all that proves is that people in positions of power and trust (tic) can abuse that power for their own self interests.

The TRUTH will ALWAYS be that Joe did exactly what he should have, in his role, at that time, with the information he was given - nothing will ever change that FACT!

You can take that as coming from an expert in the field who wrote the new rules for our non-profit in PA (NOT Mich) after the “Sandusky Issue”! Yes that would be someone who can, without any shadow of a doubt, verify that the new rules written by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania not only validated what Joe did - they reinforced it as the way to handle issues like this going forward!

So go on and continue being a hater - but nothing will ever change the fact that Joe Paterno is, was and always will be the greatest “COLLEGE” football coach that ever lived!
 

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The “narrative is, was and always will be bullish!t” !!

if you focus 🧘 on the false narrative as your truth I feel sad for you - all that proves is that people in positions of power and trust (tic) can abuse that power for their own self interests.

The TRUTH will ALWAYS be that Joe did exactly what he should have, in his role, at that time, with the information he was given - nothing will ever change that FACT!

You can take that as coming from an expert in the field who wrote the new rules for our non-profit in PA (NOT Mich) after the “Sandusky Issue”! Yes that would be someone who can, without any shadow of a doubt, verify that the new rules written by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania not only validated what Joe did - they reinforced it as the way to handle issues like this going forward!

So go on and continue being a hater - but nothing will ever change the fact that Joe Paterno is, was and always will be the greatest “COLLEGE” football coach that ever lived!

If the narrative is "bullshit", I don't understand why, over the course of 109 months, you and other Paterno Loyalists haven't been able to effect change.
 
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If the narrative is "bullshit", I don't understand why it isn't easy for you and other Paterno Loyalists to effect change.

Which suggests one of 2 things:

(1) You and other Paterno Loyalists are not effective at getting that job done. You are poor messangers.

(2) Or, perhaps, the current narrative is NOT bullshit. It's instead a more believable narrative than the one that you and other Paterno Loyalists are trying to sell.
You’re just in over your head man

you can’t understand because it’s above your pay grade

the narrative is billsh!t - trust me I know people who know people - you can continue being a sheep 🐑 and believe it because it suits you but that will never make it the “truth”
 
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