AZ, FL and Texas Covid spike? Haahahahahahaha

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  1. TN Lion

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    But, but, but..... lol.....
     
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    RUSSIA!!!
     
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    Don’t forget California.
    As this dude takes a dump live on CNN


     
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    Oh dear God..... lmfao...
     
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    Surprised we didn't see @LafayetteBear come along and scoop that up. :rolleyes:
     
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    The dude realized it was CNN and he figured his dropping of a deuce would be camouflaged by the rest of CNN's news coverage, which is a deuce all by itself.
     
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    Apparently dying is a joke to a rube like you. Der Fuhrer will be depending on people as stupid as you in November.
     
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    It took three (3) months for Florida to rack up 100,000 cases of Coronavirus. It has taken just two weeks for Florida to go from 100,000 to 200,000 cases.

    The lower death rate is unambiguous good news, but merely reciting that the death rate is lower (which is Trump Cultist dogma) ignores the following facts:

    1. Young and asymptomatic people can infect others just as readily as older or symptomatic people.

    2. Covid-19 has permanent effects even for young people. Lungs frequently get scarred, and intestines and other internal organs can be damaged as well.
     
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    For all we know that WAS LafayetteBear
     
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    #2 = Fear porn. Statistically this is not evident. Aren’t you guys the party of science supposedly?
     
  12. LafayetteBear

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    That was indeed funny, but it wasn’t me. I am on the North Shore of Lake Tahoe, and have been for a week. Here’s a local denizen who walked past our place (roughly 30 yards away) about 40 minutes ago:

    Edit: Whoops! Photos of a local black bear did not come through. I’ll try again later.
     
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    1. Florida, Texas, etc started to spike a few weeks after the riots.
    2. Asymptomatic people can transmit the disease but it's rare.
    3. I've read that lungs can get scarred but we have no idea how frequently that is occurring.
     
  14. interrobang

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    The common flu can have long term serious health ramifications too. No one seems concerned about that
     
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    FFS...it’s not going away. Staying closed just makes it tomorrow’s problem. You have to deal with it either way.

    The fear porn you consume doesn’t tell you that, but it’s the common sense truth. Masks are also common sense truth. Distancing is common sense. Counting cases and comparing them to any other uncontrolled data is meaningless. Counting deaths, hospital capacity, and taking logical measures like masks and distance is the only way out. Even those measures don’t change the fact that most people will get it before we hit herd immunity. This only goes away in November when it’s no longer politically useful. And you will see at that time that you were used. The conclusion that it will run through our population hasn’t changed since day 1. We can only manage the pace and who is likely to get it.

    Citing anecdotes like “it can leave scar damage on young people” is irrelevant. It’s not addressing a problem. It’s not a solution. The only solution it would back would be to completely close off everyone, and then to never allow international travel again.

    GD this just isn’t that hard!
     
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    This ^^^^^

    Unfortunate but true, we need to learn to live with it. An effective vaccine may make it less common in the population, but it will always be there.
     
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    Death rates are going to rise if ICU’s are overtopped. Unless the growth in new cases flattens or declines, this will happen probably within 7 - 10 days in the states seeing the highest growth now.
    It is somewhat surprising that in AZ most of the hospital admissions are now age 44 and below. Young and stupid go together. Some have hypothesized that these young people are getting seriously ill because they are exposing themselves to high levels of the virus at the time of infection ( I wonder if they will get prizes ? ).
     
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    For instance, the average age of new cases in Florida is 35. It was 65 prior to the lockdown. While 35’s can die from it, or just be hospitalized, their mortality rates are exponentially lower than the above 65 crowd. It makes sense though that most hospitalizations would be under 44. That’s who is getting infected right now as we lock down seniors.
     
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    All the hospitalizations are elective surgeries that have been put off for months. 80-85% in Texas according to Dr. Atlas from Stanford.
     
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    1. Which might explain why there are more cases
    2. ‘Might have’permanent damage even for young people. You explain a little better in 2nd sentence ‘frequently’, ‘can be’.

    a large number of positive cases are asymptotic...no major effects at all. Your post seems a little too definitive for what facts currently dictate
     
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    I don’t think it can be interpreted as a positive sign that this number of young people are requiring hospitalization since younger people experience significantly lower morbidity and mortality. It suggests that the number of currently infected people is quite large and is likely to expand through most of the population. With an R value of around 1.4, infections accrue like compounding interest until a large enough proportion of the population is infected. That proportion is anywhere from 50 - 80%, depending upon which expert you consult.
    I hope I’m wrong about this, but most of my opinion has been acquired by listening to people who know about infectious disease.
     
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    The virus has probably mutated and weakened. This isn't the same as it was months ago.
     
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    I fully agree that it’s probably more widespread than we think. But if that’s the case, we are that much closer to herd immunity and we haven’t overwhelmed the hospitals.

    That’s a good thing.

    Trying to lock people down only kicks the cab down the road. It doesn’t change the outcome. You should only kick the cab when we don’t have sufficient hospital capacity. This has been the goal the entire time: don’t overwhelm the hospitals.
     
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    It depends which authority you ask about this. I know some critical care providers in both the US and Italy have been saying the virus has been getting tamer since May. Osterholm again says he does not think so. It is definitely mutating throughout it’s genome and you can track this at nextstrain.com
    It’s anybody’s guess at this point what most of these mutations mean. One of the more studied variants is believed to have caused greater infectivity, but not pathogenicity.
     
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    Yes both of these items are bad. Unfortunately when we expect personal responsibility out of people, those expectation can have some negative outcomes.
     
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    Or toking on a bong everyday.
     
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    There are millions of people who deal with long term serious health ramifications.

    These people who scream about serious health ramifications are those that don't live with them.
     
  28. LionDeNittany

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    I do not think it has weakened. It was never very strong and deaths were helped along by Cuomo.

    Fact is NYC was unprepared.

    edit: I was pro shutdown in April because we just didn't know. But we should have had a 50% reopening in May at a minimum as death rates came in extremely low.

    LdN
     
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    If we were testing at the same rate in April as we are now, no one would be batting an eye at 40k cases per day
     
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    Kind of an aside, but I was talking to an ER nurse the other day and heard some interesting things about COVID. One is that it is still relatively uncommon in my corner of the world ( central PA ). I expect that will change at some point.
    Another is that they are finding a surprising amount of flu cases when the influenza season is “ over “. This is puzzling. Are they finding more flu because they are looking for it ? Is the seasonality of flu wrongly understood ? Do people still get a similar amount of flu in the summer but they typically have milder cases ?Does the fact that COVID cases continue to climb, yet the fatality rate is remaining relatively flat say something about how it is affected by seasonal transmission ?
     
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    Fool. A prominent infectious disease doctor in Florida said on TV last night that they are routinely taking lung x-rays of people who were treated for Covid-19 (including young folks who were asymptomatic), and 67% of those young folks had scarring of their lungs. Let's hope that scarring is not permanent, but you are whistling in the dark in asserting, without competent evidence, that scar damage on young people is "irrelevant." In fact, it sounds remarkably like your Orange Master ("99% of people are completely unharmed.").
     
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    I was so concerned about Florida, due to the doom and gloom on here, that I looked up deaths per million. As i looked down over the list, I thought they must have forgotten to put FL on there. Then, I saw it, 26th on the list.

    Florida: 179 deaths/1 million population
    NJ: 1728
    NY: 1660
    CT: 1217
    MA: 1192


    So many liberal states with so many deaths.
     
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    Hahahahahaha
     
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    I'm having trouble seeing the downward trend in Arizona.

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    Who said anything about AZ? I was talking about deaths/day trending for the entire US. Do you not realize people are coming over the border in AZ (and other border states) which skews their numbers?
     

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