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And PSU is not, and never will be, a Top 25 BB program.This is a joke. Can't be serious. Chambers is not a top 25 coach and probably never will be. Nice guy, below average coach.
Would you regard this as a s*** season?Watkins, Carr, Reaves could make $250k-$500k a year in Europe next year. Watkins is already rumored to be contemplating it.
These guys and the guys we just landed will be gone. Count on it. Hurley and most of these other smaller school coaches have absolutely no gravitas in convincing these kids that it's better for them to stay. Few if any of these guys have sent anyone to the NBA.
You guys are talking fantasy stuff. Chambers gone means flushing a Top 25 team away for next year, guaranteeing at least 2 shit seasons, with no guarantees of success after that.
It's all of 20 miles from Chicago with 2.7 million people. I should hope they draw at least that much with such a large metropolitan area nearby.Pretty amazing Norrhwestern drew 6500 today for a game against PSU in their one year renting of the Allstate Arena 15-20 miles from their campus.
Defining success with preseason polling versus actual results ?With Reaves, analytics and Vegas power rankings have us a Top 50 team this year out of 351 Division 1 Schools.
Apparently you need help with the definition of mediocre.
If Dread and Bolton play much next year, it will be another struggle because we are “ young “.The four starters return plus Dread and Bolton and we'll be a top 25 team most likely.
I disagree and I also disagree PSU doesn't care about basketball. If Coach Chambers is back next year I may have to change this opinion about PSU caring. Penn State can be and should be a top 25 basketball school. They need to get the right coach. I honestly believe they'll attempt to do this after this season ends. Build it and they will come. See our football and wrestling programs today as examples.And PSU is not, and never will be, a Top 25 BB program.
Chambers makes watching our Men's BB games painful!!!!!No excuses now that we have some talent! After the years of high-paid, on-the-job training, we should have won a few more close games. I'm tired of seeing Chambers lose the end game!
Not really. If everyone else is back, we'd likely start a senior, three juniors, and a soph. With what I'd expect the rest of the primary rotation to be a junior, two freshmen, and either a senior or a soph. Plugging in some numbers, probably in the top third to top quarter of the country when it comes to experience.If Dread and Bolton play much next year, it will be another struggle because we are “ young “.
I think what’s left of the bandwagon went over the cliff last night.Not really. If everyone else is back, we'd likely start a senior, three juniors, and a soph. With what I'd expect the rest of the primary rotation to be a junior, two freshmen, and either a senior or a soph. Plugging in some numbers, probably in the top third to top quarter of the country when it comes to experience.
This is a young team. If it were to make the NCAA tournament, it would be a historical young team.
Young teams absent one-and-done talent just do not make the NCAA tournament. It's a pipe dream.
You can criticize Pat for how long it's taken but it's impossible to deny that this is one of the better performing teams in our history and next year will be one of the most talented teams in our history if he returns.
Give a guy time to get to the top of the mountain and when he gets there, kick him off?
Seems like a colossal blunder considering our status in the college basketball world. Firing Pat might be the dumbest thing we could do right now. Another reboot where all the talented players run for the hills and the current committs are released from their LOI.
Firing Pat might end up being the dumbest move in Penn State basketball history if Sandy decides to go that route.
Mount Mediocrity.It’s impossible to deny this is one of the better performing teams in our history?
Chambers has gotten the program to the top of the mountain?
Holy shit.
Mount Mediocrity.
If Dread and Bolton play much next year, it will be another struggle because we are “ young “.
These sophomores have played enough basketball in their lives to know the game is played to win from beginning to end. This is a coaching problem.Dunno. The "talent" are still sophomores. I'd like to give him until the 2016 class runs it's course. If he cannot parlay that class into growth on the court and recruiting, it's probably time.
Just remember that pre-chambers, everyone complained that PSU BB was not competitive. Now the complaints are that PSU BB should be winning a few more close games. It's a significant improvement. I'd like it to be more at this point, but it takes time to restock an empty cupboard and not sure how the depth stacks up which can lead to tired legs and losses at the end. I'm no expert, but calling for his head is potentially short-sighted. It would also depend on who a reasonable replacement would be. Hint: you've probably never heard of him so it would be a small program guy with some moderate success looking to take a big conference job and hoping he can make the leap to big time recruiting and coaching.
I'm not defending Pat, but... if, as you say, they've played enough basketball in their lives to know the game is played from beginning to end, then how is it Pat's fault when they don't do what they already know they need to do?These sophomores have played enough basketball in their lives to know the game is played to win from beginning to end. This is a coaching problem.
It's coaching IMO. I'm not a big BB fan, and rarely watch any games. But when I do, our team looks disorganized and lost much of the time. Turnovers, traveling, real bad shot selection, mental errors galore etc. I tuned in at the 7 minute mark during the 2H yesterday - we were up by 2. The last seven minutes were flat out ugly and I blame the coach because he let it get totally out of control. I've watched pick-up games that had more discipline.I'm not defending Pat, but... if, as you say, they've played enough basketball in their lives to know the game is played from beginning to end, then how is it Pat's fault when they don't do what they already know they need to do?
We look that way most of the game. Has nothing to do with the players not playing 40 minutes.It's coaching IMO. I'm not a big BB fan, and rarely watch any games. But when I do, our team looks disorganized and lost much of the time. Turnovers, traveling, real bad shot selection, mental errors galore etc. I tuned in at the 7 minute mark during the 2H yesterday - we were up by 2. The last seven minutes were flat out ugly and I blame the coach because he let it get totally out of control. I've watched pick-up games that had more discipline.
People say PSU cannot be a top 25 team. Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia on ParkHill at Penn State...
Parkhill's efforts assembled a team that's generally regarded as one of the best in the history of the program, though he resigned Sept. 6, 1995 just before what proved to be a memorable season. The 1995–96 Nittany Lions, led by Jerry Dunn and assistants Ed DeChellis (now head coach at Navy) and Frank Haith (now head coach at Missouri), started 13–0 (ranked as high as No. 9 in AP poll), moved from Rec Hall to the Bryce Jordan Center, finished tied for second in the Big Ten, the school's highest placing ever, but were upset as a 5-seed in the NCAA first round by Arkansas.
Parkhill guided Penn State to four straight 20-win seasons before starting play in the Big Ten in 1992–93. All 43 seniors who played for him at Penn State did graduate.
Amazing how Kentucky can win the national championship with a squad of freshman. Our team looks like a retirement home in comparison but it is too young to even make the tournament.....
And yet this year's Kentucky team, with 5 5* freshmen, is going to finish mid-pack in an SEC that isn't anything to write home about...I'm sure that it's simply poor coaching by Calipari, and has nothing to do with them being the youngest team in the country (since its been "proven" that freshmen can win it all).Ok, comparing Duke/Kentucky type freshmen to other schools is just being absurd. Freshmen at Northwestern are not the same as freshmen at Kentucky who would be playing in the NBA right now if it were allowed.
Because he's the guy that has to provide motivation to get their asses in gear. Apparently he condones lackluster effort.I'm not defending Pat, but... if, as you say, they've played enough basketball in their lives to know the game is played from beginning to end, then how is it Pat's fault when they don't do what they already know they need to do?
Not advocating for Parkhill or that coaching staff, just making the point that systemically it is possible to have a good basketball program at Penn StateThe problem with Parkhill was he boinked undergrads like a pogo stick. Parents with big bucks tend to frown on that sort of thing.
As for Frank Haith, he is one of the most corrupt coaches in the game. He left Miami and Missouri under NCAA investigation clouds.
And yet this year's Kentucky team, with 5 5* freshmen, is going to finish mid-pack in an SEC that isn't anything to write home about...I'm sure that it's simply poor coaching by Calipari, and has nothing to do with them being the youngest team in the country (since its been "proven" that freshmen can win it all).
Consider the consequences if you fire Chambers.
- With the experience and incoming players, this is a likely a borderline Top 25 team if everyone returns next year.
- If you fire Chambers, it is much more likely Carr, Watkins, and possibly Stevens and Reaves decide to move on.
- It is also almost certain two very good players, Dread and Bolton, are released from their LOI. That has been SOP almost everywhere.
- You are giving up an almost certain tournament team next year for a complete reboot with a new coach.
- Big name coaches request premiums to coach at dead basketball schools like us. Given the profit already being made from basketball and the lack of massive upside, Sandy is extremely unlikely to spend a fortune on a big named coach. It's a high-risk, low-reward proposition to splash $3m-$3.5m on a coach here. The finances have been discussed ad naseum over at the Penn State Hoops forum. It just doesn't make sense or cents to gamble on our basketball program.
- Whether you hate him or love him as an Xs and Os guy, no sane person can deny that Chambers has built the most talented roster in Penn State history. You're going to can the guy who did that because the immature, inexperienced sophomores are acting like immature, inexperienced sophomores?
I'm not saying he's not without his flaws, but the consequences of letting Chambers go right now are damning. As a season ticket holder for MANY MANY years, it is frustrating watching us lose close games, but I tell you what, that's a hell of a lot better than the alternative for many, many years which has been leaving with 12 minutes left in the 2nd half, down 25 points.
If we fire Chambers, be prepared for the next 2-3 seasons to be brutal and unwatchable with absolutely no guarantee that the next coach will be a better alternative.
Whats inexcusable is not learning or improving in time/score situations in 7 years or at least getting someone on staff who you allow to help you with those decisions. I'm fine with the 1 more year thing for him provided there is a stipulation the make the dance or else.
All of the Chambers consternation will be moot in a couple months.
Either the program will do a 180 from here on out, and play top notch basketball, and make the Tourney. And Chambers will be on solid ground.
Or, it will continue down the road they are on - and Chambers will be out. NO athletic department would be willing to watch another two months of this level of play and not make a change at the top.
You may be right.
Only my personal "hunch", but I think they would make a move (assuming things remain as off-the-tracks FUBAR as they have been)
Kentucky has a very profitable payroll fund to keep all of those freshmen happy.Amazing how Kentucky can win the national championship with a squad of freshman. Our team looks like a retirement home in comparison but it is too young to even make the tournament.....