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Another 57 victims testifying tomorrow (Weds, 1/31) against Larry Nassar

Yep pretty much every female that has seen Nassar since the 90's will be suing even if they weren't molested. 100s maybe even 1000s of women.
 
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I truly hope that testifying is a sort of cathartic experience for these poor girls, but I’m curious how many times is this guy going to be sentenced?
 
I truly hope that testifying is a sort of cathartic experience for these poor girls, but I’m curious how many times is this guy going to be sentenced?
I believe that it is. They get the choice of whether to do it. These orgs--MSU, USAG, USOC, TWISTARS-- SILENCED them. Now, they speak out loud. Justice, imperfect but real.
 
I truly hope that testifying is a sort of cathartic experience for these poor girls, but I’m curious how many times is this guy going to be sentenced?

This is the last sentencing.

MSU is in Ingham County --- Twistars is in Eaton County. Separate counties, so separate trials.
 
Which is more than the impotent critic of the hamster does. Why would it bother you that a guy fights for something he believes? I mean aside from the fact that you do not believe it?

Fair enough, fight on. But even you must admit, it's been minimal progress over the past 2280 days.
 
Which is more than the impotent critic of the hamster does. Why would it bother you that a guy fights for something he believes? I mean aside from the fact that you do not believe it?

Nothing bothers me about it. The obsession that some display around here about all things Sandusky (by extension, MSU) and Pitt is troublesome. It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State." Guess what? Who cares if it's worse, better or otherwise? Both are absolutely disgusting and should never happen again. Some around here are almost gloating.
 
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Nothing bothers me about it. The obsession that some display around here about all things Sandusky (by extension, MSU) and Pitt is troublesome. It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State." Guess what? Who cares if it's worse, better or otherwise? Both are absolutely disgusting and should never happen again. Some around here are almost gloating.
That is not ChiTown. I call BS.
 
That is not ChiTown. I call BS.

I didn't say it was.

Furthermore, what a pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia thinks is not something I care about. And conversely, said pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia does not (or should not) really care what I think.
 
Nothing bothers me about it. The obsession that some display around here about all things Sandusky (by extension, MSU) and Pitt is troublesome. It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State." Guess what? Who cares if it's worse, better or otherwise? Both are absolutely disgusting and should never happen again. Some around here are almost gloating.

Except that there has not been a single post one here that I have seen where anybody has displayed any joy that young women and girls were sexually assaulted. Not one. Nobody that I have seen on here is happy that there have victims of sexual assaults at the hands of Larry Nassar. You are choosing to see what you want to believe to be true, whether it is there or not.
 
We don't fight because of who you OR they are. We fight because of who we are.

Apologies to psuro.

Fair enough.

I'll give you credit - you have put your name and face out there over the years, and are willing to engage in conversations on this board (where you generally keep it civil) w/ those who disagree with you.

ChiTownLion? I've never met him, but in some alternate universe where the Sandusky affair never happened at PSU --- I'm dubious as to how much he'd be invested in this MSU case and the Nassar victims.
 
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Except that there has not been a single post one here that I have seen where anybody has displayed any joy that young women and girls were sexually assaulted. Not one. Nobody that I have seen on here is happy that there have victims of sexual assaults at the hands of Larry Nassar. You are choosing to see what you want to believe to be true, whether it is there or not.

Let's review:

"It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State."

Last time I checked, I did not say that anyone displayed joy over what happened. There have been numerous posts about how much "worse" MSU is as if it's some badge of honor, which makes it "as if some are gleeful."
 
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Fair enough.

I'll give you credit - you have put your name and face out there over the years, and are willing to engage in conversations on this board (where you generally keep it civil) w/ those who disagree with you.

ChiTownLion? I've never met him, but in some alternate universe where the Sandusky affair never happened at PSU --- I'm dubious as to how much he'd be invested in this MSU case and the Nassar victims.
Mich, don't you agree that it's only natural to compare the two and be a little more involved or interested than one normally would? And compliments to you on the second sentence of your post.
 
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I didn't say it was.

Furthermore, what a pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia thinks is not something I care about. And conversely, said pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia does not (or should not) really care what I think.
Not gonna watch you denigrate the guy. So, screw you.
 
Mich, don't you agree that it's only natural to compare the two and be a little more involved or interested than one normally would? And compliments to you on the first sentence of your post.

Sure, absolutely. More interest - yes, more.

There's also a fine line between wanting vengeance and wanting justice. It's often hard to read intent on the internet, but I feel there are a few folk who want vengeance against MSU more than they want justice. They want MSU to burn because there were some MSU folk (President Simon, Red Cedar Message Board posters, et cetera) who wanted us to burn.

On a tangent ..... I do think the MSU case (and the Baylor case) are worthy of discussion from a different respect ......

Those cases have laid COMPLETE WASTE to all arguments from non-PSU folk that "what happened at PSU - that could have ONLY happened at PSU. It could NEVER happen at my school. This happened because they're insular up there. This happened because Centre County is isolated in the middle of nowhere and there are more deer than people around there. This happened because they worship football up there. This happened because everyone gets indoctrinated into a cult up there. Et cetera, et cetera."

For the lurkers and visitors from BuckeyePlanet or Pittsburgh sites or U-M sites or whatever school ---- your argument that you've made from 2011 to the present (and sometimes still continue to make today) was totally wrong. Totally 100% wrong. It could happen at your school too, and there'd be a division in opinions amongst your fans when if/when it did happen. You're not any better than us. You never were better, and you never will be better (concurrently: we're not better than them either).
 
Sure, absolutely. More interest - yes, more.

There's also a fine line between wanting vengeance and wanting justice. It's often hard to read intent on the internet, but I feel there are a few folk who want vengeance against MSU more than they want justice. They want MSU to burn because there were some MSU folk (President Simon, Red Cedar Message Board posters, et cetera) who wanted us to burn.

On a tangent ..... I do think the MSU case (and the Baylor case) are worthy of discussion from a different respect ......

Those cases have laid COMPLETE WASTE to all arguments from non-PSU folk that "what happened at PSU - that could have ONLY happened at PSU. It could NEVER happen at my school. This happened because they're insular up there. This happened because Centre County is isolated in the middle of nowhere and there are more deer than people around there. This happened because they worship football up there. This happened because everyone gets indoctrinated into a cult up there. Et cetera, et cetera."

For the lurkers and visitors from BuckeyePlanet or Pittsburgh sites or U-M sites or whatever school ---- your argument that you've made from 2011 to the present (and sometimes still continue to make today) was totally wrong. Totally 100% wrong. It could happen at your school too, and there'd be a division in opinions amongst your fans when if/when it did happen. You're not any better than us. You never were better, and you never will be better (concurrently: we're not better than them either).
Fair enough and well put. That said, I don't think vengeance is ChiTown's ultimate objective. Doesn't fit with what I'm able to discern from reading his posts over the years.
 
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Nothing bothers me about it. The obsession that some display around here about all things Sandusky (by extension, MSU) and Pitt is troublesome. It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State." Guess what? Who cares if it's worse, better or otherwise? Both are absolutely disgusting and should never happen again. Some around here are almost gloating.

It's not about gloating. It's about painting a picture of what happened in MSU to contrast it to what happened at Penn State.

There are reports of abuse that were handled appropriately (Spanier, Schultz, Curley, Paterno), and those that were handled the wrong way (Simon, Hollis, Klages, Dantonio, Izzo).

There are university boards of trustees that make the wrong call in terms of public relations and fiduciary duty to the university at every turn, and... wait, never mind.

There are football programs at which young men of character (save the rare "red-headed stepchild" along the way) are recruited and developed (Coach Paterno's Success with Honor, carried forward to this day), and those at which violent, sexual abusers seem to almost be the norm (Mark Dantonio's... I don't know what you would call it).

There are convicted, guilty-pleading serial predators, against whom scores of victims publicly and openly testify, who also are convicted of possession of mounds of child pornography, and there are men who maintain their innocence, who have had ever-changing, delusionally fabricated, prosecutorially falsified "accusations" leveled against them, who have not even one item of child pornography found.

There are universities and their most public figures that the public and media should scrutinize and shame for what has happened and been allowed to happen, and there are those who, now that the public and media see what a predator allowed to prey unchecked on a university campus truly looks like, should be forgiven after they were denigrated wrongfully in the public eye, and should be thus restored to their rightful place of honor.

That's the goal in all of this.
 
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Yep pretty much every female that has seen Nassar since the 90's will be suing even if they weren't molested. 100s maybe even 1000s of women.
Wow. If that's seriously your concern given what we know about this, you need help.

This happened. Nassar admitted his crimes and apologized to his victims. I'll assume you were NOT serious and this was a bad joke.
 
Student journalists staging sit in protests, afterwards one of the board members slammed his chair against the table and stormed out of the room, just now per "Outside the Lines"

What did Emmert know, and when did he know it?
 
Yep pretty much every female that has seen Nassar since the 90's will be suing even if they weren't molested. 100s maybe even 1000s of women.

This is a disaster for MSU if they're the ones held liable.
 
Wow. If that's seriously your concern given what we know about this, you need help.

This happened. Nassar admitted his crimes and apologized to his victims. I'll assume you were NOT serious and this was a bad joke.

You doubt this will happen?
 
Let's review:

"It's as if some are gleeful that young women were sexually assaulted, and what happened at MSU is "worse than what happened at Penn State."

Last time I checked, I did not say that anyone displayed joy over what happened. There have been numerous posts about how much "worse" MSU is as if it's some badge of honor, which makes it "as if some are gleeful."

Joyful is a synonym of gleeful. I think you are seeing something you want to see.
 
I didn't say it was.

Furthermore, what a pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia thinks is not something I care about. And conversely, said pissant liberal lawyer from West Virginia does not (or should not) really care what I think.

Fella, stop digging.
 
You doubt this will happen?
I do not expect 100s or 1000s will assert false claims in this case. And to assume that will happen paints a sad picture.

Given the nature of the crimes, Nassar’s position, the nature of the gymnastics community, the relationships among the victims and others, etc., the bigger risk was that more assaults were unreported. Hundreds of victims already. All mostly silent and all sharing heartbreakingly regrettable stories. The social, reputational, occupational, etc. downside risks of asserting even a legit claim was too scary. Just imagine a false claim which carries even greater risks plus the criminal risks—and in a case with this profile. These people know each other. To assert a false claim and get caught? Just imagine the consequences to that person’s life! They’d be ruined.

All claims will be investigated. Nobody’s going to disregard the risk of false claims by opportunists. For some it may be worth the risk. But to assume 100s or 1000s of false claims here? No. The road is and will be tough enough for these victims and the stakes are high for all. Hence the silence by hundreds. The rebuttable presumption as they come forward must be they’re telling the truth.
 
Fair enough.

I'll give you credit - you have put your name and face out there over the years, and are willing to engage in conversations on this board (where you generally keep it civil) w/ those who disagree with you.

ChiTownLion? I've never met him, but in some alternate universe where the Sandusky affair never happened at PSU --- I'm dubious as to how much he'd be invested in this MSU case and the Nassar victims.
I've failed on other boards, as you know from the UM board, to keep my manners in all if this. I just have a hard time with some of the outrageous insults.
 
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