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Not really, but if you want to believe it, go ahead. It's more like state subsidized capitalism.
Chinese "capitalism"= ChiCom Party owns or totally controls all companies in China. Yeah, communism is dead there......along with anyone else who dares to go against the Party.....that or they are in work camps .....

No wonder our Lefties here love the Chinese model and try to avoid that nasty "C" word...they basically want the same for the USA.
 
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Chinese "capitalism"= ChiCom Party owns or totally controls all companies in China. Yeah, communism is dead there......along with anyone else who dares to go against the Party.....that or they are in work camps .....

No wonder our Lefties here love the Chinese model and try to avoid that nasty "C" word...they basically want the same for the USA.

True.

And I've been thinking a lot lately why the Dems would sell out the country's energy industry to Chinese solar cells. The answer is our favorite inside trader Nancy Pelosi. She has to deliver the bacon to her Silicon Valley cohorts doing business with the Chinese. The media companies are similar, looking for expansion into Communist China, hence Fake News.

Follow the money.
 

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Chinese "capitalism"= ChiCom Party owns or totally controls all companies in China. Yeah, communism is dead there......along with anyone else who dares to go against the Party.....that or they are in work camps .....

No wonder our Lefties here love the Chinese model and try to avoid that nasty "C" word...they basically want the same for the USA.

Absolutely. Authoritarian rule or bust. They love Xi. They love the idea of sending those who hold a differing opinion to a labor camp. Silencing them..... Just look at Twitter right now. The left is losing their mind because of Musk. And of course, they HATE business.
 

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The problem with you, and the point I was making, is about ENFORCEMENT. You seem unwilling to state that enforcement should be at the border.

Enforcement at the border won't solve the problem. I don't push it because it won't work. You push it because the republican party is owned by the same corporations that want the cheap reliable illegal immigrant labor. They want everyone to spend time and effort on the solutions that won't cut back their cheap labor.

Most of the illegal immigrants in this country passed through border legally with a work visa. When the visa expired they stayed.

You want to deal with the problem through businesses that hire illegals.

Yeah, because that will work.
THIS ^^^^. Big time

Oh, and BTW, Rumble: DAMN your eyes, you COMMUNIST! :cool: :cool:
 
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And you can see Russia from Sarah Palin's house! You go, Trump Cultist.
Turns out when looking at political overlap between 2 ideologies.....geography isn't that important. Bur I guess I should consider the source. Stick with spelling bud. Anything beyond that is also beyond your intellectual capacity. Now go play with your toy fire truck. Adults are trying to have a conversation
 

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THIS ^^^^. Big time

On, and BTW, Rumble: DAMN your eyes, you COMMUNIST! :cool: :cool:

How about we cut the crap.

@rumble_lion doesn't "push" border security because it goes against the stance of his political party.

A sane person who isn't just a political hack would say that there should be both, border security and penalties for hiring illegals. i.e., we should enforce all laws, not just the ones we happen to like. This is no different than allowing theft in California up to a certain amount. That state is nuts.

You guys conveniently ignore the other problems -- terrorists, human trafficking, drugs, wrecked border towns, etc.

The only conclusion we can reach is that you see political gain down the road as there are more people likely to vote Democrat. For that you are willing to wreck the country and destroy its security.
 
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How about we cut the crap.

@rumble_lion doesn't "push" border security because it goes against the stance of his political party.

A sane person who isn't just a political hack would say that there should be both, border security and penalties for hiring illegals. i.e., we should enforce all laws, not just the ones we happen to like. This is no different than allowing theft in California up to a certain amount. That state is nuts.

You guys conveniently ignore the other problems -- terrorists, human trafficking, drugs, wrecked border towns, etc.

The only conclusion we can reach is that you see political gain down the road as there are more people likely to vote Democrat. For that you are willing to wreck the country and destroy its security.

I'm not a democrat so that kinda destroys your thesis.
 

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I'm not a democrat so that kinda destroys your thesis.

OK, let's call it a label. You are not a Democrat any more than I am not a Libertarian.

Why would you be in favor of reversing the border security measures that Trump had in place? And don't tell me it's because they don't work, because what we have now -- an open invitation by the Biden Administration -- is far worse.

I think you and Paoli should spend some time living in a border town.
 
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OK, let's call it a label. You are not a Democrat any more than I am not a Libertarian.

Why would you be in favor of reversing the border security measures that Trump had in place? And don't tell me it's because they don't work, because what we have now -- an open invitation by the Biden Administration -- is far worse.

I think you and Paoli should spend some time living in a border town.

I'm not against border security.

What I'm against is people claiming that a wall or enforcing security at the border is going to solve the problem of businesses hiring cheap illegal immigrant labor. It won't.

What I'm against is "conservatives" that claim they don't want illegal immigrant workers while they financially benefit from hiring them.

What I'm against is corporations and business rigging the laws and enforcement of those laws to allow them to employ low cost immigrant workers without fear any punishment for them.
 
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I'm not against border security.

What I'm against is people claiming that a wall or enforcing security at the border is going to solve the problem of businesses hiring cheap illegal immigrant labor. It won't.

Yes, you are against border security if you are against physical barriers and "stay in Mexico" policies. Both were working much better under Trump than now with Biden. Texas would not be doing the wall-building if they thought it was a waste.

You and Paoli are the ones diverting this to employers because you think business owners are Republicans, and conservatives are your enemy. You would solve the cheap illegal immigrant labor problem by rewarding these people with citizenship instead of penalizing them for committing a crime.

Most who are now entering under Biden do not have work visas, by the way. So this claim that "they are already here" is nonsense. Sure we had illegals here beforehand, but granting them amnesty with an open border does nothing to solve the problem, unless the problem to be solved is about securing a Democratic vote.

This is the George Soros vision -- reward criminals and make the existing citizenship pay for it. That is what you and Paoli support. It's anarchy.

Trump was the only president in memory who actually put the existing citizenry first. That is why the Left hates him.
 
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Yes, you are against border security if you are against physical barriers and "stay in Mexico" policies. Both were working much better under Trump than now with Biden. Texas would not be doing the wall-building if they thought it was a waste.

You and Paoli are the ones diverting this to employers because you think business owners are Republicans, and conservatives are your enemy. You would solve the cheap illegal immigrant labor problem by rewarding these people with citizenship instead of penalizing them for committing a crime.

Most who are now entering under Biden do not have work visas, by the way. So this claim that "they are already here" is nonsense. Sure we had illegals here beforehand, but granting them amnesty with an open border does nothing to solve the problem, unless the problem to be solved is about securing a Democratic vote.

This is the George Soros vision -- reward criminals and make the existing citizenship pay for it. That is what you and Paoli support. It's anarchy.

Trump was the only president in memory who actually put the existing citizenry first. That is why the Left hates him.

You and Paoli are the ones diverting this to employers because you think business owners are Republicans, and conservatives are your enemy. You would solve the cheap illegal immigrant labor problem by rewarding these people with citizenship instead of penalizing them for committing a crime.

Why do you support businesses the hire illegal immigrant workers?

Most who are now entering under Biden do not have work visas, by the way. So this claim that "they are already here" is nonsense. Sure we had illegals here beforehand, but granting them amnesty with an open border does nothing to solve the problem, unless the problem to be solved is about securing a Democratic vote.

According to illegal immigration stats, around 45% of illegal immigration cases are linked to overstaying a legal visa.​

While political debates most often focus on trespassing the U.S.–Mexico border, there is another factor at play when you look at visa overstay statistics. Half of the individuals staying in the U.S. illegally proceeded to live in the country once their legal visas had expired.​
The thing is, people come through a port of entry legally but then not leave when the time comes. The U.S. government grants thousands of temporary visas to international students, tourists, and seasonal workers, each lasting from a few weeks to several years. That said, according to the stats at our disposal, many opt for staying in the country once their visa expires despite numerous repercussions they will most likely face.​

66% of unauthorized immigrant adults have been in the U.S. for a long time.​

One of the facets of illegal immigrants statistics that don’t get much air is that most undocumented immigrants have been in the U.S. for more than a decade. Around two-thirds of unauthorized immigrant adults have spent a decade on American soil — up from 41% in 2007. As of now, they have lived in the U.S. for a median of 15.1 years.​
This is the George Soros vision -- reward criminals and make the existing citizenship pay for it. That is what you and Paoli support. It's anarchy.

Anarchy? Oh please.

Nearly 8 million U.S. jobs are dependent upon illegal immigrant activity.​

Looking at the cost of illegal immigration statistics, we have to take into account economic productivity. Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately. It is important to note that the average wage in the U.S is $24.81/hour, with an average of 38.6 hours of work per week. That means that around 8 million jobs in the U.S. are dependent on the economic activity of unauthorized migrants.​
For these reasons, immigration law jobs are imperative and are of paramount importance for the economic well-being of the country.​

Undocumented immigrants pay around $11.64 billion in taxes per year, according to illegal immigration stats.​

Another of the so-called facts about immigration you might have witnessed being leveraged as an argument against immigration is that migrants don’t pay taxes.​
But that’s not true! In fact, immigrants collectively pay between $90 and $140 billion each year in taxes. What’s more, a recent study found that undocumented immigrants alone pay approximately $11.64 billion in taxes each year.​
Undocumented migrants across the country pay around 8% of their income in state and local taxes, which is higher than the effective tax rate of the top 1% of U.S. taxpayers. On top of that, more than half of all undocumented immigrant households file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers.​

Undocumented migrants are 47% less likely to be imprisoned than the U.S. citizens, illegal immigration crime statistics show.​

One assumption that is often thrown about politically to clamp down on the illegal immigration rate is that undocumented migrants cause crime. However, available research does not suggest that migrants are more likely to engage in criminal behavior than Americans.​
In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Research shows that undocumented migrants are less likely to be incarcerated. What’s more, this likelihood is only decreasing over time. Undocumented immigrants statistics looking specifically into Texas, a state with high numbers of unauthorized migrants, actually revealed a criminal conviction rate of 56% below that of U.S. citizens.​

 

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You and Paoli are the ones diverting this to employers because you think business owners are Republicans, and conservatives are your enemy. You would solve the cheap illegal immigrant labor problem by rewarding these people with citizenship instead of penalizing them for committing a crime.

Why do you support businesses the hire illegal immigrant workers?

Most who are now entering under Biden do not have work visas, by the way. So this claim that "they are already here" is nonsense. Sure we had illegals here beforehand, but granting them amnesty with an open border does nothing to solve the problem, unless the problem to be solved is about securing a Democratic vote.

According to illegal immigration stats, around 45% of illegal immigration cases are linked to overstaying a legal visa.​

While political debates most often focus on trespassing the U.S.–Mexico border, there is another factor at play when you look at visa overstay statistics. Half of the individuals staying in the U.S. illegally proceeded to live in the country once their legal visas had expired.​
The thing is, people come through a port of entry legally but then not leave when the time comes. The U.S. government grants thousands of temporary visas to international students, tourists, and seasonal workers, each lasting from a few weeks to several years. That said, according to the stats at our disposal, many opt for staying in the country once their visa expires despite numerous repercussions they will most likely face.​

66% of unauthorized immigrant adults have been in the U.S. for a long time.​

One of the facets of illegal immigrants statistics that don’t get much air is that most undocumented immigrants have been in the U.S. for more than a decade. Around two-thirds of unauthorized immigrant adults have spent a decade on American soil — up from 41% in 2007. As of now, they have lived in the U.S. for a median of 15.1 years.​
This is the George Soros vision -- reward criminals and make the existing citizenship pay for it. That is what you and Paoli support. It's anarchy.

Anarchy? Oh please.

Nearly 8 million U.S. jobs are dependent upon illegal immigrant activity.​

Looking at the cost of illegal immigration statistics, we have to take into account economic productivity. Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately. It is important to note that the average wage in the U.S is $24.81/hour, with an average of 38.6 hours of work per week. That means that around 8 million jobs in the U.S. are dependent on the economic activity of unauthorized migrants.​
For these reasons, immigration law jobs are imperative and are of paramount importance for the economic well-being of the country.​

Undocumented immigrants pay around $11.64 billion in taxes per year, according to illegal immigration stats.​

Another of the so-called facts about immigration you might have witnessed being leveraged as an argument against immigration is that migrants don’t pay taxes.​
But that’s not true! In fact, immigrants collectively pay between $90 and $140 billion each year in taxes. What’s more, a recent study found that undocumented immigrants alone pay approximately $11.64 billion in taxes each year.​
Undocumented migrants across the country pay around 8% of their income in state and local taxes, which is higher than the effective tax rate of the top 1% of U.S. taxpayers. On top of that, more than half of all undocumented immigrant households file income tax returns using Individual Tax Identification Numbers.​

Undocumented migrants are 47% less likely to be imprisoned than the U.S. citizens, illegal immigration crime statistics show.​

One assumption that is often thrown about politically to clamp down on the illegal immigration rate is that undocumented migrants cause crime. However, available research does not suggest that migrants are more likely to engage in criminal behavior than Americans.​
In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Research shows that undocumented migrants are less likely to be incarcerated. What’s more, this likelihood is only decreasing over time. Undocumented immigrants statistics looking specifically into Texas, a state with high numbers of unauthorized migrants, actually revealed a criminal conviction rate of 56% below that of U.S. citizens.​


All of that and there is not one reason why the border should not be sealed.
 

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Big business is not in charge of sealing the border. Your boy Biden is in charge. Are you admitting that he is just a paid shill for big business?

Your boy Biden is in charge.

He is not my boy.

Are you admitting that he is just a paid shill for big business?

Yes, yes, yes. He built his whole political career around carrying water for banks for decades.
 

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Your boy Biden is in charge.

He is not my boy.

Are you admitting that he is just a paid shill for big business?

Yes, yes, yes. He built his whole political career around carrying water for banks for decades.

Then you'd like to see him impeached for dereliction of duty, correct?
 

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How about we cut the crap.

@rumble_lion doesn't "push" border security because it goes against the stance of his political party.

A sane person who isn't just a political hack would say that there should be both, border security and penalties for hiring illegals. i.e., we should enforce all laws, not just the ones we happen to like. This is no different than allowing theft in California up to a certain amount. That state is nuts.

You guys conveniently ignore the other problems -- terrorists, human trafficking, drugs, wrecked border towns, etc.

The only conclusion we can reach is that you see political gain down the road as there are more people likely to vote Democrat. For that you are willing to wreck the country and destroy its security.
All of that, and you managed (so conveniently) to ignore the primary point that Rumble articulated so clearly: that Republican ranchers, growers, farmers and business owners are a big part of the current immigration problem/stalemate, because they very much need and want cheap labor. They depend on it. They just don't want that cheap labor to have a path to citizenship. Why? Because citizens have rights, and suddenly their labor is not so cheap anymore. (Plus, they might possibly vote to protect "fags" and "trannies," and to make abortion legal.)
 
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All of that, and you managed (so conveniently) to ignore the primary point that Rumble articulated so clearly: that Republican ranchers, growers, farmers and business owners are a big part of the current immigration problem/stalemate, because they very much need and want cheap labor. They depend on it. They just don't want that cheap labor to have a path to citizenship. Why? Because citizens have rights, and suddenly their labor is not so cheap anymore. (Plus, they might possibly vote to protect "fags" and "trannies," and to make abortion legal.)

And you once again skirted the issue, which is security at the border. Any terrorist can now just walk right into the country. Towns along the border are overwhelmed. Neighborhoods are being inundated. These are not people working on ranches and farms. They are in our cities wreaking havoc on social services. In time people are going to realize that this is causing their healthcare to be rationed.

We have an unmanageable problem created by not enforcing the border, so therefore, based on lib-logic, we should not enforce the border.

When the POTUS actively subverts the laws he took an oath to protect, he should be impeached. There is no other argument or point of view to be made here. That's all straw man stuff.
 
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And you once again skirted the issue, which is security at the border. Any terrorist can now just walk right into the country. Towns along the border are overwhelmed. Neighborhoods are being inundated. These are not people working on ranches and farms. They are in our cities wreaking havoc on social services. In time people are going to realize that this is causing their healthcare to be rationed.

We have an unmanageable problem created by not enforcing the border, so therefore, based on lib-logic, we should not enforce the border.

When the POTUS actively subverts the laws he took an oath to protect, he should be impeached. There is no other argument or point of view to be made here. That's all straw man stuff.

How many terrorist attacks have occurred by terrorists coming into the country via the border with Mexico?
 

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How many terrorist attacks have occurred by terrorists coming into the country via the border with Mexico?

A couple dozen were apprehended in 2021, which means many more made it through. Give them time. Biden incompetence has only been in place for about 15 months. They wouldn't act right away anyway. They would blend in for a few years.

But to the point here, there is no excuse for LESSENING border security. None. Zero. ... unless of course you've got a political motive, which is the case here. Undo Trump.

This has nothing to do with the people that came here illegally in the past. It's about not making a problem worse than it already is.

No country in the world willingly takes in more refugees than it can reasonably assimilate through lawful means. Any other country would be looking to be selective about who it allows into their country. Only a country involved in an unauthorized, unlawful revolution would do this.
 

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A couple dozen were apprehended in 2021, which means many more made it through. Give them time. Biden incompetence has only been in place for about 15 months. They wouldn't act right away anyway. They would blend in for a few years.

But to the point here, there is no excuse for LESSENING border security. None. Zero. ... unless of course you've got a political motive, which is the case here. Undo Trump.

This has nothing to do with the people that came here illegally in the past. It's about not making a problem worse than it already is.

No country in the world willingly takes in more refugees than it can reasonably assimilate through lawful means. Any other country would be looking to be selective about who it allows into their country. Only a country involved in an unauthorized, unlawful revolution would do this.

A couple dozen were apprehended in 2021, which means many more made it through.

Wow, how many terrorist attacks were carried out by these border jumpers?
 

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A couple dozen were apprehended in 2021, which means many more made it through.

Wow, how many terrorist attacks were carried out by these border jumpers?

More diversion. Read it again.

Why not admit that there is no excuse for lessening border security? You lose credibility when you double down on the indefensible. We've got a bad problem and your solution is to make it worse.
 

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And you once again skirted the issue, which is security at the border. Any terrorist can now just walk right into the country. Towns along the border are overwhelmed. Neighborhoods are being inundated. These are not people working on ranches and farms. They are in our cities wreaking havoc on social services. In time people are going to realize that this is causing their healthcare to be rationed.

We have an unmanageable problem created by not enforcing the border, so therefore, based on lib-logic, we should not enforce the border.

When the POTUS actively subverts the laws he took an oath to protect, he should be impeached. There is no other argument or point of view to be made here. That's all straw man stuff.
I don't have any issue whatsoever with the desire for security along any of our borders, most especially the one with Mexico. My issue is that you are all about addressing the symptom and not the cause. There are roughly 2,000 miles of southern border to secure. It is far too difficult and expensive to build a wall over all of it, and without a massive investment in border patrol and customs people, it will not work. Moreover, as Rumble pointed out, more illegal immigrants come here legally (on tourist, student or work visas), and simply stay here after their visa has expired.

You say you favor making it a crime to hire illegal immigrants. That will not work. You will either be destroying or damaging a lot of U.S. businesses that rely on immigrant labor. But addressing the issue of WHY immigrants come here (primarily to find gainful employment and personal safety), gets closer to addressing the cause instead of the symptom.
 

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I don't have any issue whatsoever with the desire for security along any of our borders, most especially the one with Mexico. My issue is that you are all about addressing the symptom and not the cause. There are roughly 2,000 miles of southern border to secure. It is far too difficult and expensive to build a wall over all of it, and without a massive investment in border patrol and customs people, it will not work. Moreover, as Rumble pointed out, more illegal immigrants come here legally (on tourist, student or work visas), and simply stay here after their visa has expired.

You say you favor making it a crime to hire illegal immigrants. That will not work. You will either be destroying or damaging a lot of U.S. businesses that rely on immigrant labor. But addressing the issue of WHY immigrants come here (primarily to find gainful employment and personal safety), gets closer to addressing the cause instead of the symptom.

Give me one reason why we should not have the Trump policies at the border. The problem is far worse now with Biden's policies. He handcuffed ICE. I want just one reason to show how this is better than what we had before.

Truth is the Left wants this influx of illegals. If it did not it would not have changed our border policy.

The Texas governor knows his state better than you (as do I). He wants a physical barrier.
 
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Give me one reason why we should not have the Trump policies at the border. The problem is far worse now with Biden's policies. He handcuffed ICE. I want just one reason to show how this is better than what we had before.

Truth is the Left wants this influx of illegals. If it did not it would not have changed our border policy.

The Texas governor knows his state better than you (as do I). He wants a physical barrier.
Reason No. 1 : "The Wall" is outrageously expensive, not to mention ineffective. (No wonder Cheeto and his gimpy protege from Texass wanted it.)

Reason No. 2: Separating would be immigrants from their children, and losing track of them, is not good immigration policy. But Cheeto embraced it, as you apparently do, too.

Reason No. 3. Threatening to shoot would be immigrants is crazy. But Cheeto embraced it, as you apparently do, too.

Reason No. 4: Addressing the symptom without addressing the cause is foolhardy. Classic Cheeto.
 

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Give me one reason why we should not have the Trump policies at the border. The problem is far worse now with Biden's policies. He handcuffed ICE. I want just one reason to show how this is better than what we had before.

Truth is the Left wants this influx of illegals. If it did not it would not have changed our border policy.

The Texas governor knows his state better than you (as do I). He wants a physical barrier.


Truth is the Left wants this influx of illegals. If it did not it would not have changed our border policy.

The Texas governor knows his state better than you (as do I). He wants a physical barrier.

Nope, cheap immigrant labor is a bipartisan issue in Texas.

The reason is simple: Business interests rely on undocumented immigrant workers, while pro-immigrant activists fight to protect the labor rights of those facing abuse and exploitation. When the Chamber of Commerce and the American Civil Liberties Union are on the same side of an issue at the Capitol, they’re hard to beat.​
“We know what an important part immigrant labor plays in Texas, and to suddenly wipe out large sectors ... would have a devastating impact on the Texas economy,” said Bill Hammond, head of the influential Texas Association of Business, the state’s top business advocacy group. “We need immigrant labor to do those tasks where not enough Americans will.”​
The left-right convergence — bringing businessmen and liberal immigration activists together — has been key in blocking legislation that would make life more difficult for undocumented immigrants in Texas, said Bill Beardall, executive director of the Equal Justice Center, a nonprofit law firm that advocates for immigrants and other low-wage workers in Austin.​
“We begin each session of the Legislature highly concerned that some of these anti-immigrant bills are going to pass,” Beardall said. “We’ve been extraordinarily successful in Texas in preventing that from happening.”​
While the deals get cut behind the scenes at the state Capitol, workers continue to live in the vast shadows of the underground labor market, where a “don’t ask, don’t tell” system allows employers to accept fake documents, fraudulently treat employees as “independent contractors” or simply pay them in cash under the table — all with little fear of punishment.​
An Austin janitor from southern Mexico, who preferred to use his nickname "Chunco," says he bought fake documents for about $100 to get a job cleaning Target stores. He told The Texas Tribune he and other undocumented workers were paid less than the minimum wage and got no overtime.​
In the absence of a systematic fix, the high demand for illegal labor makes it virtually impossible to “secure” the southern border, said John Connolly, former executive associate director of Homeland Security Investigations in Washington, D.C.​
“If you can come here and get a job and for 50 bucks, buy a Social Security card and some other type of documents and you get a job and you’re getting paid, that’s the pull. That’s why you can come here,” Connolly said. “If they’re told, 'Look, don’t come here anymore, they’re enforcing the laws, you can’t get jobs,' people aren’t going to make that expense and make that long journey to come here to the United States.”​
 

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Reason No. 1 : "The Wall" is outrageously expensive, not to mention ineffective. (No wonder Cheeto and his gimpy protege from Texass wanted it.)

Reason No. 2: Separating would be immigrants from their children, and losing track of them, is not good immigration policy. But Cheeto embraced it, as you apparently do, too.

Reason No. 3. Threatening to shoot would be immigrants is crazy. But Cheeto embraced it, as you apparently do, too.

Reason No. 4: Addressing the symptom without addressing the cause is foolhardy. Classic Cheeto.

OK, let's get to the root cause.

Other than electing Biden, a lawless man who is selling out his country, what did Americans do to cause this problem? Why should Americans pay for it?
 

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OK, let's get to the root cause.

Other than electing Biden, a lawless man who is selling out his country, what did Americans do to cause this problem? Why should Americans pay for it?

Americans need immigrants, we hire them, they need the jobs/money, and they become great Americans.

The only people who oppose immigration are arm chair quarterbacks, who would love to purge the country of black/brown people.
 

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